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	nessa_t 2004-05-31 05:40 pm UTC (link)
	Bwa ha ha. Tis okay. You're making more sense that the OP. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

wankprophet
2004-05-31 06:07 pm UTC (link)

Heh, actually, both of you sound very wanky. The problem with Iraq war wank -- as with so many wanks -- is that neither side seems willing to concede that the other side has valid points. Both sides accuse the other of being naive (completely missing the irony of this), and the perpetual resorting to logical fallacies -- petitio principii, argumentum ad verecundiam, post hoc ergo propter hoc, ad hominem, argumentum ad misercordiam, prejudicial language (appeal to morality), premature generalizations, et cetara, just to name a few that I saw in just this community entry alone -- to make points that circle endlessly, never coming to a verifiable conclusion.

Ah, Iraq war and Bush-wank...makes the abortion debates look reasonable and friendly.

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nessa_t
2004-05-31 06:19 pm UTC (link)

Fair enough. In any case, the kid's over-generalisation and arrogance drove me up the wall*shrug* (mimicks: You should take up International Relations... seriously! You'll see what a fine and dandy country America really is. etc etc etc)

Besides,i don't think the argument should be about "coming to a conclusion" as you put it.No one could given the complexity of the problem because to say that would be to undermine the severity of the problems at hand. Just my 2c.

Still, I think anyone who goes all out to say that "America will make things better" should shoot themselves in the head. I've heard too much of that shit of late and seen too much crap that was done to Iraq to even dream that there is any "validity" in that claim.

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wankprophet
2004-05-31 06:31 pm UTC (link)

Still, I think anyone who goes all out to say that "America will make things better" should shoot themselves in the head. I've heard too much of that shit of late and seen too much crap that was done to Iraq to even dream that there is any "validity" in that claim.

Oh dear. Now you've gotten wankier than that OP could possibly manage. Is there a jurisimprudence law regarding advocating suicide for people who hold a particular belief? Especially when the rationalization revolves around the advocator's f33r5um speshul_prognostication powerz?

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	Re: nessa_t 2004-05-31 11:36 pm UTC (link)
	Is there a jurisimprudence law regarding advocating suicide for people who hold a particular belief? Even if there isn't there should be. :) Especially since recent circumstances clearly indicates that the particular belief is absolutely "ludacris". (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kijikun 2004-05-31 07:09 pm UTC (link)
	Still, I think anyone who goes all out to say that "America will make things better" should shoot themselves in the head. I've heard too much of that shit of late and seen too much crap that was done to Iraq to even dream that there is any "validity" in that claim. Good thing most people from WWII are dead then... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Mostly unrelated: big_bad_wolf 2004-05-31 07:17 pm UTC (link)
	If you or anyone else uses the phrase "If it wasn't for us you'd all be speaking German" I will enroll in an American-sponsored German-language course. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: sorchar 2004-05-31 07:44 pm UTC (link)
	Do we have to pay for it? ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: big_bad_wolf 2004-05-31 09:05 pm UTC (link)
	:D Oh yes. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: sorchar 2004-05-31 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	Damn. Because making someone learn a foreign language is always fun, but not if I have to pay for it. If I gotta spend money, I'm learning it myself, dammit. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: big_bad_wolf 2004-05-31 09:11 pm UTC (link)
	You know, I recently discovered a really FUN way to learn new languages: one of the London bus tours doesn't have a tour guide, it has a socket jack for headphones, with about eight choices of language in it. Learn London hisory and Japanese lanuage AT THE SAME TIME! Pure brilliance. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: sorchar 2004-05-31 09:20 pm UTC (link)
	Our busses have notices posted in a bunch of languages, but it's mostly just boring stuff. If, however, I ever go to Japan, Korea, Russia, or any one of a number of Spanish-speaking countries, I'll know when I'm not allowed to smoke, have food or drink, or annoy the driver. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: notjo 2004-06-01 05:46 am UTC (link)
	It sounds so much easier than it actually is. I just usually stand around and look stupid until someone tells me what to do, which is more effective than one might think. (Oh, yeah, I'm in China.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

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kijikun
2004-05-31 07:48 pm UTC (link)

Oh hell no I wouldn't say that. Given that dictator ships rely heavily on the charisma of the man in charge, unless Hitler had hand picked and groomed for years someone to take over when he was gone it all could have fallen apart soon after Hitler’s death anyways. /history wank off

I was actually referring to old news reels I remember from History class. One propaganda film in particular were the phrase 'America will make it better' was actually used.

America isn't the ultimate good nor the ultimate evil. Plus we suck at having colonies. We think we want them, we try to get them, but lets face it Brittan was much better at the sort of thing.

Err...what was the topic again?

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big_bad_wolf
2004-05-31 09:04 pm UTC (link)

I dunno. Let's talk about history some more, that's always fun. WWII Propaganda is funky stuff - I always loved the whole "coughs and sneezes spread diseases" and "loose lips sink ships" ones myself.

[England at the time going ga-ga for rhyming adverts, apparently, because we used to have posters for the Tube of "Billy Brown of London Town". People used rhyming graffiti to make fun of it]

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pyratejenni
2004-05-31 11:58 pm UTC (link)

When I was a kid, my mother would get up early in the morning to get me off to school. She always wound up watching whatever was on the local station's public access program.

I distinctly remember one morning was a panel of professors discussing the homoerotic themes in Nazi Germany propaganda films from the 30s. Complete with shots from said films, of stunningly handsome young men jogging naked, showering, etc.

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	Re: Mostly unrelated: nessa_t 2004-06-01 12:02 am UTC (link)
	hmmm... lol. I suppose these people are too smart for their own good. It must be nice to get paid just for talking about stuff like that, eh? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: littlest_lurker 2004-06-01 04:05 am UTC (link)
	ahem And might I inquire as to where one might find these films? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: puipui 2004-06-01 11:33 am UTC (link)
	I like the way you think. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: moonjaguar 2004-06-02 12:18 am UTC (link)
	Nackt jogging! (follow the bouncing balls) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: nessa_t 2004-06-02 03:03 am UTC (link)
	LOL! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: pyratejenni 2004-06-02 03:04 am UTC (link)
	Sorry -- this was nearly 26 years ago! No idea where to begin looking for these films. I can't even remember the name of the college, now. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: krazycat 2004-06-01 05:05 am UTC (link)
	ooooh. I was just snoozing through this wank and suddenly this little germ. so c'mon, gimme the nazi pr0n! :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: squib 2004-06-01 02:23 am UTC (link)
	Given that dictator ships rely heavily on the charisma of the man in charge I'd go and get all pro-war-wanky, but I got distracted by teh shineh of the way that was written. As in, OOH, dictator ships! Hitler/Stalin OTP! Saddam/Khomeini OMGtheirloveissohairy! Who should we slash Pol Pot with? ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: nessa_t 2004-06-01 02:24 am UTC (link)
	Who should we slash Pol Pot with? You're scaring me O_O. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: squib 2004-06-01 02:31 am UTC (link)
	That's okay, I probably scared me too. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: vassilissa 2004-06-01 10:16 am UTC (link)
	You just gave me a great idea for an icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Mostly unrelated: big_bad_wolf 2004-06-01 01:27 pm UTC (link)
	I wanna see! WANNA SEE! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	melange 2004-05-31 07:56 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, because we went to war with Germany out of pure, unadulterated altruism and concern for our fellow man. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they were allied with Japan, who happened to be the first foreign country to attack America on their own soil in over a century. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kijikun 2004-05-31 10:35 pm UTC (link)
	points to reply to big_bad_wolf** (Reply to this)(Parent)

	llama_treats 2004-05-31 06:22 pm UTC (link)
	to make points that circle endlessly, never coming to a verifiable conclusion I was under the impression that the above was the sole purpose of both religion and politics. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wankprophet 2004-05-31 06:34 pm UTC (link)
	Yeppers. Politics and religion: the carousels of teh_damned. I thank god for my deep and abiding capacity not to care. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nessa_t 2004-05-31 11:39 pm UTC (link)
	I thank god for my deep and abiding capacity not to care. snigger Yeah. It shows. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vassilissa 2004-06-01 10:15 am UTC (link)
	Both sides accuse the other of being naive (completely missing the irony of this), and the perpetual resorting to logical fallacies -- petitio principii, argumentum ad verecundiam, post hoc ergo propter hoc, ad hominem, argumentum ad misercordiam, prejudicial language (appeal to morality), premature generalizations, et cetara, Oh baby, talk that Latin to me! fans self (Reply to this)(Parent)

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