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	singe 2004-05-25 12:52 am UTC (link)
	...they don't come when you call! They don't chase squirrels at all! Dead puppies aren't much fuuunnn! Damn your hide, now I'm gonna be singing that all day! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	raisedbyhyenas 2004-05-25 12:56 am UTC (link)
	You're welcome! Me too. Serve me right for being a heartless biotch, I guess... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2004-05-25 02:20 pm UTC (link)
	One more time for Roman Hruska! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	singe 2004-05-25 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	DOOD, thank you, I could never understand what the hell he was saying there. Dead, dead, dead, DEAD, dead, dead, dead, dead! Dead puppies aren't muuuuuch fuuuuun! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	criticalcricket 2004-05-25 01:17 am UTC (link)
	Yet another reason that the willfully ignorant disgust me. What kind of sick idiot created a Labradoodle?! It's one thing to have a mixed dog, it's another to breed them and proudly proclaim that you've bastardized a breed. Such a sad thing really that such people exist in the world. I'm going to go console myself by watching Animal Planet. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mireille 2004-05-25 01:37 am UTC (link)
	Yeah. All my dogs so far have been mixed breeds, but that's because they were shelter puppies. We didn't intentionally create them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nicolae 2004-05-25 09:13 pm UTC (link)
	Australian Shepherds (of which we have three) are a fairly recent development, last couple hundred years. There's some border collie in them, and I don't know what else, so creating a new breed isn't necessarily a sin. But a puppy farm? Yeah. That's pretty damn fucked. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	also_not_a_pipe 2004-05-25 03:01 am UTC (link)
	And to name it that, ergh. "Cockapoo" has always kind of bugged me, but "labradoodle" and "goldendoodle" are so cutesy that I could puke. (Reply to this)(Parent)

yesmaster
2004-05-25 03:18 am UTC (link)

I heard that Labradoodles were originally bred in Australia as Seeing-Eye-Dogs. Apparently they're super smart (from the Labrador side), but also really calm (from the Standard Poodle side)... so they make ideal guide dogs. But since most dogs that are raised to be guide dogs end up not being placed with a blind person (i.e., they're not as bright or calm as some of their brothers and sisters), they end up being adopted by the general public. So, when people started seeing what a great dog the Labrador/Poodle mix could be, everybody decided that it would be a /sarcasm/fantastic/sarcasm/ idea to call them a cutesy name and breed them. 'Course, most of the Labradoodles being sold in pet stores aren't Labrador/Standard Poodle mixes, but usually Labrador/Toy poodle mixes. So instead of getting an intelligent, stoic, yet large dog.... people are getting little yipping mutts.

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terminal_frost
2004-05-25 03:39 am UTC (link)

'Course, most of the Labradoodles being sold in pet stores aren't Labrador/Standard Poodle mixes, but usually Labrador/Toy poodle mixes. So instead of getting an intelligent, stoic, yet large dog.... people are getting little yipping mutts.

I'm now trying to figure out how a ten-pound Poodle can give birth to puppies sired by a ninety-pound Lab.

That's gonna be one large puppy.

A Miniature Poodle or some shelter-stray Standard might be more up to the challenge...

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	criticalcricket 2004-05-25 04:26 am UTC (link)
	You learn something new every day. That's a pretty good reason to breed the dog, but I still say we shoot the person that came up with the name. Labradoodle? It sounds like a crunchy little cheese snack. Move over Chester Cheetah, here come the Labradoodles. (Reply to this)(Parent)

meshou
2004-05-25 01:34 am UTC (link)

It doesn't look like she's the owner of a puppy mill, it looks like she's a breeder. Probably not a good or experienced breeder, but not the owner of a direct-to-petshop hellhole.

As bad an idea as most breeding is, the kid's not a breeder. Her mom's a breeder. She can't control what her mom does. She can, however, feel really sad about having dead puppies.

Is it so bad to say 'I'm sorry your puppies are dead'? Or is a kid directly responsible for what her mom does?

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dawnswalker
2004-05-25 02:18 am UTC (link)

Actually, from what I gathered from the drama itself, it seems like the OP was the one responsible for the breeding and care of the "doxies" (slang for dacshund?). I guess the family has a whole bunch of different breeding animals.

More telling is the fact that she got hyper-defensive about the whole affair, and has shown no real proof (like, say, a certificate or dog club certification) that her family's organization isn't a glorified puppy mill.

I'm not skeptical of the fact that she was sad when her puppies died, and it's true that she is just a kid, but it's obvious that she's really not seeing the big picture here. Much as with humans, some dogs are simply not meant to breed.

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terminal_frost
2004-05-25 03:15 am UTC (link)

"doxies" (slang for dacshund?).

"Doxie" is basically a kind of slang, in that it's a short-hand name for a breed (think "Yorkie" for Yorkshire Terrier, "Sheltie" for Shetland Sheepdog, "Dobe" for Doberman Pinscher, "Lab" for Labrador, and "Rott" or "Rottie" for Rottweiler).

More telling is the fact that she got hyper-defensive about the whole affair, and has shown no real proof (like, say, a certificate or dog club certification) that her family's organization isn't a glorified puppy mill.

I'd say it is too, since they deliberately produce mongrels of sub-par quality.

Now I've heard of Labradoodles before, but these animals were produced by those who wanted to provide service dogs for the disabled. These were not "designer" dogs produced simply for fashion; these were dogs produced for people who needed a service dog but had allergies towards dogs that a regular dog like a Labrador or a German Shepherd wouldn't do.

These people most certainly were taking care to produce good stock, that the parents were healthy and sound - both of mind and of body - and that the new owners would be able to care for the animals; not some couple who decided to produce the latest in fad mutts so they could get some money, or wanted to "educate" their children on "the facts of life".

I'm not skeptical of the fact that she was sad when her puppies died, and it's true that she is just a kid, but it's obvious that she's really not seeing the big picture here.

No she's not, if she refuses to listen to those whose experiences have lead them to a different conclusion than the one she's got so far.

</i>Much as with humans, some dogs are simply not meant to breed.</i>

No they should not, yet they are being bred - even by those who produce dogs for the show ring. I've heard the "AKC ruins dogs" argument before (primarily by those who have breeds like Australian Shepherds and Border Collies, and are afraid that breeding for the show ring will cause the animals to lose their herding instincts), but the fact is, it's the breed clubs, NOT the AKC, who sets the standards for perfection.

Thus, if "breeding to a standard" will ruin the breed, then it's the agreed-upon standard that needs to be evaluated, not the registrative body that should be blamed.

The AKC (or any other national club) is a registry; not a yardstick for quality. Some people have trouble understanding that.

(My apologies for being so long-winded, but dogs (particularly purebreds) are something of a passion of mine. ^_^;;)

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	lots42 2004-05-25 04:33 am UTC (link)
	I disagree. She can and should call the SPCA (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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also_not_a_pipe
2004-05-25 02:58 am UTC (link)

'kay, I might just be adding to the wank, but

tviokh owns. I do feel a little bad for the poor stupid kid, but she brought it on herself.

But of course, I'm speaking as a chick who's wanted an Egyptian Mau since she was ten or eleven, but starts feeling guilty about the three or four shelter cats she could rescue with the money she'd spend on a Mau kitten (which probably has a better chance of finding a good home anyway) if she even looks up the prices on them. So, not that much sympathy for people contributing to the stray problem, no.

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	terminal_frost 2004-05-25 03:19 am UTC (link)
	I'd love to have a Mau of my own, but right now I've got the one cat (a moggie that I rescued, but not from a shelter) to look after, and I'm not so sure she'd like having another cat around. Purebreds are great, but so are shelter animals, and yes, we should be giving those puppies and kittens a second chance at life. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	moonjaguar 2004-05-25 04:16 am UTC (link)
	What's this "OFA" that this family doesn't believe in, in context to the dog community post? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rogue 2004-05-25 07:54 am UTC (link)
	Orthopedic Foundation for Animals. Basically, steps for people to take to help fight genetic diseases in animals. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lurker32 2004-05-25 05:07 am UTC (link)
	Eeeeyowtch. What a mess. I mean, I don't know jack from raising animals, and still... what part of "this dog is CLEARLY not cut out to be a parent" isn't getting through? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lots42 2004-05-29 01:32 pm UTC (link)
	The part where it would indicate the person made an OMG!!! mistake. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	nicolae 2004-05-25 09:01 pm UTC (link)
	Puppy mill? Oh, yuck. (Reply to this)

	gjeanz 2004-05-26 04:56 am UTC (link)
	Dumbass kid. shakes head (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2004-05-27 07:55 pm UTC (link)
	http://www.oldeenglish.org/puppy.html (Reply to this)

	elanor_durall 2004-09-27 01:32 am UTC (link)
	From their website: We grew to over 30 species of animals and close to 100 animals! However, due to circumstances beyond our control, we currently house much less. Like ... animal control? (Reply to this)