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	llama_treats 2004-05-28 01:42 am UTC (link)
	The person that thinks that ramen is health food confuses the fucking hell outta me. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dawnswalker 2004-05-28 02:42 am UTC (link)
	Well, if you add lots of fresh vegetables to counter-balance the saltiness of the noodles, it can be made at least non-health detrimental? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	llama_treats 2004-05-28 03:02 am UTC (link)
	I was under the impression that at least half the calories of ramen were from fat. I could be wrong. (Not that it isn't tasty or anything...) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	(Anonymous) 2004-05-28 04:39 pm UTC (link)
	Doesn't help. Speaking as someone who's done the diet thing, a packet of ramen is worse for you than a doughnut. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	flax 2004-05-28 02:11 am UTC (link)
	Gist of conversation: OMG FAST FOOD IS UNHEALTHY SHOCK OMG FAST FOOD IS EXPENSIVE SHOCK. No. Shit. I still like McDonalds, though. It's tasty. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	littlest_lurker 2004-05-28 02:18 am UTC (link)
	I never eat anything at Mcdonald's ~~except for the Dippin' dots. Or their new chicken mcnuggets. Actually the only reason I don't eat there is because it's too far away~~ OMG UR R SO UNHEATHY!! ~~I like Jack in the Box though. They put cheese and bacon on EVERYTHING XD~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2004-05-28 02:39 pm UTC (link)
	~~I miss Carl's Jr. They make the best fast food I've ever tasted, and they're impossible to find on the East Coast. Le sigh.~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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rogue
2004-05-28 02:44 am UTC (link)

Dude, poor people can't afford fast food. Eating fast food frequently drains your money quicker than anything else. The biggest fast food consumers are middle-class people: they're busy enough to find it convenient, and they have enough money to not go broke getting it pretty often. I am one of these people - and whenever I need to save money, I just stop eating out. It's amazing when you realize you're spending like $50 a week on food.

Now, if I was broke-ass poor, I'd be clipping coupons and buying long-lasting , make-it-yourself stuff at a grocery store, not stopping for a quesadilla at Del Taco.

Also.. what the hell movie are they talking about?

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pirotess
2004-05-28 03:08 am UTC (link)

Also.. what the hell movie are they talking about?

It's a documentary-style film about a guy who decided to see what would happen if he only ate McDonald's for a month. It just opened in Australia (he's doing the media rounds now) so I'm hoping to catch it in the next week or so.

My day job is in marketing for McDonald's and they don't care who buys their product, as long as as many people as possible are buying it.

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	smo 2004-05-28 02:40 pm UTC (link)
	Big sack of beans, big sack of rice, cheapass threepack of white bread, some store-brand frozen veggies, and Smo eats for a month. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wankprophet 2004-05-28 06:45 pm UTC (link)
	I can dig that. I'd add some angel-hair pasta to the mix, though. How do you season? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	lunchbox 2004-05-28 02:57 am UTC (link)
	I'm currently unemployed, working three part time jobs, and bringing in a smashing total of about $250 a week. Er, unemployed with three jobs? Okay! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	littlest_lurker 2004-05-28 03:07 am UTC (link)
	Hey dude/lady, share the wealth! Some of us are unemployed and only have one job! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	khym_chanur 2004-05-28 03:08 am UTC (link)
	But then again, IF poor people DIDN'T have fast food, what food would they have? Uh-huh. Because poor people are banned from shopping at grocery stores, the only food they can eat is fast food. (Reply to this)(Thread)

virago
2004-05-28 04:46 am UTC (link)

I've only seen one case when that argument holds - one of the poorer areas in my city literally has no grocery stores whatsoever. Just little newsstand/convenience stores (not chains, mind you) and off-brand fast food, little independent joints selling fried/barbecued stuff. Basically no chains will set up there because it's um, kind of in decline. So there's a swath of the city that has no access to normal grocery stores unless they go miles away, which can be a problem if you can't afford a car. (I've read articles about this, so that's what I've heard. TherebutforthegraceofgodgoI, I don't live there.)

THEN I understand that reasoning. I don't know how common that is, though.

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lcsbanana
2004-05-28 05:46 am UTC (link)

It's actually very common, and a huge problem. Grocery store chains won't set up shop in a poor neighborhood, meaning you have to take an extra hour or two out of your day to take a subway/bus down to a grocery store. And when you're working multiple jobs and can't pay for anyone to watch the kids you're leaving alone while you do this...sometimes fast food really is the only option. And in terms of calories per dollar, it's very cheap--super-sizing and all. Your kids will at least not be *hungry,* and sometimes that's all you can manage.

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	lexin 2004-05-28 08:16 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know how common that is, though. Very common - it's a big problem in the poorer areas of my country as well. (Reply to this)(Parent)

random_dent
2004-05-28 02:02 pm UTC (link)

It's common phenomenon here in the uk too - it's called something like an 'Urban Food Desert', meaning those places where there are very few shops, the shops that there are are expensive, and sell unhealthy food, and the people who live there can't afford to travel to other places. However, there are people who have gone about setting up food co-operatives in these areas, to improve the situation, and some of them are supposed to have been very sucessful.

Here's an explanation of 'urban food deserts' with some interesting facts in it:
http://www.wordspy.com/words/fooddesert.asp

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munchkinott
2004-05-29 12:18 pm UTC (link)

I do believe that almost describes where I live. Only it doesn't happen with grocery stores - we're talking BIG supermarkets.

There's a HUGE supermarket 300 yards down the road, you can buy EVERY damn variety of Mr Kipling's cake but can never find a 'fresh' orange in the place without mould growing on the skin.

All the surrounding smaller supermarkets - same story. It's either frozen food or nothing.

Though there's a slightly smaller HUGE-supermarket, 3 MILES (cross two dual carriageways, and a busy B-road, plus three busy roundabouts without traffic lights to get there - or take a car) UP the road which basically serves the new estate of £200,000 greenbelt-built semis - they have loads of fresh, edible, fruit and vegetables at prohibitive prices.

To get affordable, decent fresh food my mum has to stop off at the supermarket near where she works - which is 10 miles away.

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	Wow sam_chan 2004-05-28 04:00 am UTC (link)
	Does it hurt to be that stupid? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Wow crickets 2004-05-28 04:10 am UTC (link)
	I don't know, but reading teh stoopid was a bit painful. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	blackjackrocket 2004-05-28 05:30 am UTC (link)
	The very basis for this movie, I think, is rather wanky. It reminds me of those 'experiments' done in the '50s or whenever that 'proved' soda was bad for your teeth by soaking a tooth in it for weeks. No one will have their teeth immersed in soda for a week, it's just dumb to think they would. And I think the basis of this movie is flawed in the same way. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kuribos_shoe 2004-05-28 05:55 am UTC (link)
	No one will have their teeth immersed in soda for a week Oh, I bet I could make a valiant effort at it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

criticalcricket
2004-05-28 07:27 am UTC (link)

No one will have their teeth immersed in soda for a week, it's just dumb to think they would.

I thought that for a while, but add up all the sodas that people drink and the time it spends in their mouth over a year or two, probably a bit more. That time adds up. Give a few seconds per swallow here, a little bit of savoring there. Your teeth are rotting out faster than you think.

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	bohicamouse 2004-05-28 08:12 am UTC (link)
	I think so too. The dude didn't JUST eat only fast food--he ate 5000 calories of it a day, and stopped all forms of exercise. Yet somehow McDonald's is to blame for that. I'm not saying fast food is healthy or doesn't have bad side effects, but WTF? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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