iczer6
2004-05-30 01:55 am UTC (link)

Oookaaayyyy.

First what the fuck is an NT?

Second: -- Murdering an autistic child or adult results in less punishment than killing an animal. In fact, it's considered an "understandable" crime, and many of the murderers get off with NO punishment.

And I guessed I missed yet another memo where I was told it was okay to kill autistic people.

Is there some precedence for this?

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	geekmagirl 2004-05-30 01:57 am UTC (link)
	NT, I think, stands for NeuroTypical. It means the 'Normals'. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	geekmagirl 2004-05-30 01:58 am UTC (link)
	And I guessed I missed yet another memo where I was told it was okay to kill autistic people. Is there some precedence for this? None that I'm aware of. But I haven't been in Aspie communities for very long, so I'm not familiar with the urban legends. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-05-30 02:04 am UTC (link)
	Sad thing is that I think the OP may have had a good point buried under the flagrant abuse of Goodwin's Law and the inability to use the shift key or apostrophes. I mean I think there tons of folks out there who seem hellbent on being victims, which makes it harder for people who actually need help to get it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	meshou 2004-05-30 02:10 am UTC (link)
	I recall a Law and Order episode. It was yanked from the headlines. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	Every time I see NT on a forum, I just think "No Text". (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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necronomist
2004-06-01 12:16 am UTC (link)

There has been abuse in mental health facilities (some of the victims were low-functioning autistic people), and I remember one case where the parents got a low sentence for killing a low-functioning autistic child. Some autistic adults report unhelpful social workers, stereotypes and red tape. Other than that, this is not "OMG j1h4d against the autistic!!111!" as "Low budget + incompetance + ignorance = bad bad things." Granted, there is a lot of ignorance out there ('no empathy' doesn't mean sociopathy, it means 'no idea why people do stuff') and I much rather have some compromise between my weird behavior and the rest of the world.

(Also, I resent being told that taking Wellbutrin and making small efforts to improve social skills mean that I am giving in to Da Man. Maybe it's a good idea that I don't have it on my friends list).

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Killing autistic people

doctorcal
2004-06-01 10:39 am UTC (link)

There's a case going on in Sydney right now - a severely depressed woman killed her autistic son and has pleaded guilty to manslaughter due to diminished responsibility. She hasn't been sentenced yet (that's tomorrow), but there is a possibility she may not go to prison at all.

(I think sometimes it is understandable, in that I can understand how someone might be driven to kill a person who was abusive, who could not be made non-abusive, and whom they were unable to leave. It's a pretty hopeless situation.)

(And I only remembered this because I read it this morning, not because I have a big file on how all autistic people are being oppressed by all non-autistic people or anything.)

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	lurker32 2004-05-30 01:55 am UTC (link)
	Insta-wank! Just add Godwin! sigh (Reply to this)

	sorchar 2004-05-30 02:02 am UTC (link)
	It's small, but lovely, all the same. I never get sick of Hitler being thrown into every single disagreement on the face of the earth. In a way, it's as if the Nazis won. (Reply to this)

meshou
2004-05-30 02:08 am UTC (link)

/So what you're saying is that we are like Hitler?/

I'm like Hitler. I like dogs. And I'm kinda short. And I'm a mediocre, burned out artist. But that's not the point.

I can see where an Us vs. Them Mentality can be really tiring. However, Hitler is always off limits. If you compare Hitler to anyone, ever, you will be wrong. Yes, even in the case of another genocide. Found this out in anthropology when we learned about the Tazmanians. Some kid got roasted by the class.

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	elfy 2004-05-30 03:24 am UTC (link)
	Tasmanians - the people who live on the island kicking around Australia's nether regions? Or Tazmanians - something else? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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	mirabellawotr 2004-05-30 02:27 am UTC (link)
	I never get sick of Hitler being thrown into every single disagreement on the face of the earth This made me laugh for like five solid minutes. It's funny because it's true. "Um, you didn't do the dishes like you said you would, what's up with that?" "It's HITLER'S FAULT!" (Reply to this)(Thread)

	geekmagirl 2004-05-30 02:28 am UTC (link)
	HITLER MADE ME MISS THE BUS! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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For those wondering...
khym_chanur
2004-05-30 03:10 am UTC (link)
"Aspie" = "sufferer of Asperger Syndrome", which:

is a neurobiological disorder named for a Viennese physician, Hans Asperger, who in 1944 published a paper which described a pattern of behaviors in several young boys who had normal intelligence and language development, but who also exhibited autistic-like behaviors and marked deficiencies in social and communication skills. In spite of the publication of his paper in the 1940's, it wasn't until 1994 that Asperger Syndrome was added to the DSM IV and only in the past few years has AS been recognized by professionals and parents. (See this page)
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Re: For those wondering...
geekmagirl
2004-05-30 03:15 am UTC (link)
Thanks for that. I've defined the word Aspie in other threads, but not this one--probably should have done that straight off.
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littlest_lurker
2004-05-30 03:20 am UTC (link)
I didn't know that it wasn't really recognized until 1994. Now I know.

normal intelligence and language development, but who also exhibited autistic-like behaviors and marked deficiencies in social and communication skills.

Pardon my ignorance, but what is the difference between Asperger Syndrome and autism? And I know that there is a disproprotionate amount of autisic men to women, is it the same way for aspergers?
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Re: For those wondering...
khym_chanur
2004-05-30 03:42 am UTC (link)
Just from looking at the summary, it seems to me that AS is just a particular kind of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder combined with really bad social skills. I'd go over to an AS comm and ask, but my asbestos underware is currently being washed.
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geekmagirl
2004-05-30 03:11 am UTC (link)
*cough*
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calystarose
2004-05-30 03:30 am UTC (link)
Of course we're angry! Look at how NT society feels it's acceptable to treat our kind!

You know, considering the vast amounts of people suffering from some mental/brain disorder or another, I got to wonder...just how *typical* are those neurotypicals? They seem to be the aberation/minority, no? :)
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geekmagirl
2004-05-30 03:35 am UTC (link)
Exactly. I don't believe in "Normal". Everyone's got something.
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blackjackrocket
2004-05-30 03:50 am UTC (link)
What in the yellow hell was that topic ABOUT? I've never encountered half the discrimination they talk about, and I had to *fight the school board* to get a diploma!
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iczer6
2004-05-30 04:28 am UTC (link)
What?

You mean people *aren't* trying to kill you simply because you have AS?
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sarajayechan
2004-05-30 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Old Adolph must be beaming with pride as he sits in firey brimstone. XD
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photosinensis
2004-05-31 11:09 pm UTC (link)
*shakes head*

You! Out of my mental illness!
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