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	moonjaguar 2004-06-27 05:49 am UTC (link)
	That almost looks like a bra for the belly. I think it'd be comfortable for the mom-to-be's back and belly. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	julia 2004-06-27 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	That's kinda what it looks like, doesn't it? Heh, spiffy. If I ever decide to breed, I'm gonna want me one of those--only maybe not so shiny. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	moonjaguar 2004-06-27 09:14 pm UTC (link)
	I like the shiny... I'd want one with studs but I think it'd have to be lined or something so I don't have marks from the rivets. Not that I'm going to breed (that'd be one for the medical journals and the Vatican). (Reply to this)(Parent)

	isntitironic 2004-06-27 06:03 am UTC (link)
	Oh, look, it's our old friend lakini_malich. Nice to know the animal rights communities aren't the only ones he trolls. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	moonjaguar 2004-06-27 06:16 am UTC (link)
	I guess he's branching out, eh? (Reply to this)(Parent)

kookaburra
2004-06-27 11:22 am UTC (link)

Umm- I personally don't think pregnant women (Or women at all, being rather straight) are pretty or beautiful (God, but people who wank on and on about how all women are beautiful annoy the hell out of me), but somehow I doubt this person would be wearing just this corset in public, and it's nobody's business if she wears it in private and her husband likes it, so what's the big deal? OMG someone posted a pic in the community and it doesn't give him a hard-on so he's going to spooge all over the threads?

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	(Anonymous) 2004-07-02 12:37 am UTC (link)
	Which is funny, because normally you're more likely to splooge if you do have a hard-on. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kookaburra 2004-07-02 07:06 am UTC (link)
	He should get a cookie or a write-up in the GBoWR- most splooge produced without an erection. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	redpanda 2004-06-27 11:33 am UTC (link)
	I'm really starting to loathe childfree. ...oh no, wait, I already did! Whew. :D PS: I'm not excited about having to stare at a pregnant belly, but I don't think it's gross either. It's just natural. Like one of the comments in that thread sorta said, ffft, it's part of being mammalian and female. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ladylisse 2004-06-27 02:26 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not having kids for any number of medical reasons, but I adore them and goosh over babies. I think if I went to childfree I'd get eaten alive. :\ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tigerlily 2004-06-27 04:24 pm UTC (link)
	Well there are parents in childfree so I think you'd come out in tact. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tigerlily 2004-06-27 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	Dude to be fair, the first guy was troll supreme and not a member of childfree. Later in that thread someone from childfree did respond because childfree had been mentioned incorrectly. The third and final OMGeww wasn't from childfree either. The ewws stayed in childfree except for one person. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jfpbookworm 2004-06-27 09:13 pm UTC (link)
	Dude to be fair, the first guy was troll supreme and not a member of childfree. Doesn't matter, unfortunately. They get mentioned, they get mocked. Childfree is the new furry. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	beccastareyes 2004-06-27 10:10 pm UTC (link)
	Childfree is the new furry. That cries out for an icon. I just don't know what picture to put on it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	notapirate 2004-06-28 12:03 am UTC (link)
	A child in a furry costume? probably find lots of Halloween costume ads. (Reply to this)(Parent)

notapirate
2004-06-28 12:09 am UTC (link)

Heh, it doesn't help that when someone mentions it in passing, someone from childfree runs to the defensive as if someone insulted God. Someone could say, "People at childfree like the color pink" and someone from childfree will respond with, "WHAT IS THAT SUPPOSED TO MEAN?! Are you calling us all FEMINISTS!" I'm sure it is just the militants over there who get like that. But maybe the more mature members of childfree should put them on a leash or something.

It's amusing how the internet manages to create new labels for people that they can cry, "OPPRESSED!" I have a friend in real life who is a part of childfree and she gets that way an awful lot. I can say something like, "Aw...what a cute child..." And she'll give me a look like I was shoving dirt in her face oppressing her because I like kids.

Oh man...maybe this should go on fandom rant. If I have offended anyone. I apologize.

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kerikeri
2004-06-28 02:33 am UTC (link)

Heh, it doesn't help that when someone mentions it in passing, someone from childfree runs to the defensive as if someone insulted God.

Admittedly, some CFers can be overdefensive, but more often than not it seems that when the group is "mentioned in passing", it's so that someone can make rude, mocking and/or generalizing comments about it. Like this, for example-- this particular wank was only tangentially related to childfree, and yet someone still felt the need to post about how much they hate and despise us. Personally, I don't think the handful of CF people involved were particularly wanky; the screaming militant "Pregnant bellies are beautiful and magical and wonderful and if you don't think so you should kill yourself!" types were far worse.

I'm sure it is just the militants over there who get like that. But maybe the more mature members of childfree should put them on a leash or something.

The fact that we happen to share a common decision regarding our lack of desire to reproduce and belong to the same Livejournal community doesn't mean we're a hivemind, and we shouldn't be held responsible for what certain outspoken and wanky members might do. That's like saying f_w is responsible for Phoenix, or whoever the troll-of-the-moment is now. Every group has its idiots and militant wankers; they may be loud, but they're still a minority.

It's amusing how the internet manages to create new labels for people that they can cry, "OPPRESSED!"

Again, some CFers might get off on portraying themselves as martyrs, but that's really not the purpose of the group. I'm definitely not a fan of dwelling on real or imagined "oppression"; I often find myself clashing with people on that topic in some of the feminist groups I belong to, because I think some people there actively try to find gender-related oppression in every aspect of their lives. And sometimes that sort of thing gets out of hand in the CF groups as well; I don't understand the people who feel the need to post long diatribes online every time they encounter a conventionally misbehaving child. We all have to deal with it; nobody much likes it, but it's nothing special.

However, I think a lot of CF complaints are definitely valid; people who choose not to have children often do take a lot of flak for it from family members, friends, other members of society, and society itself. I don't think forming a group to commiserate, rant, and share stories about an unpopular lifestyle choice is "creating new labels to cry oppression over."

I have a friend in real life who is a part of childfree and she gets that way an awful lot. I can say something like, "Aw...what a cute child..." And she'll give me a look like I was shoving dirt in her face oppressing her because I like kids.

Well, honestly, if she doesn't like kids, what do you expect her to say or do? Should she have to smile and nod, or feign interest in the child even if she has none? Granted, I don't know your friend and can't really speculate about her motives, but if it were me, it'd be less a matter of feeling "oppressed" and more a matter of just naturally reacting to something I don't find particularly cute or appealing. I'd probably react the same way if a friend of mine was gushing about, say, a football game, or how great the new Hilary Duff single is. I'm not interested in any of those things, in fact I find them pretty annoying and try to avoid them whenever possible, so why should I have to pretend I don't feel that way?

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	(Anonymous) 2004-06-28 04:52 am UTC (link)
	tl;dr (Reply to this)(Parent)

notapirate
2004-06-29 06:40 pm UTC (link)

See my post below on just how bad my friend gets. I respect that she doesn't like children but when she has to rain on everyone else's parade because she doesn't like children, it isn't particularly fair. No one is telling her that she should have children by showing a picture of a cousin or just telling a story that happens to have a child in it. Geez.

When you are a friend, you respect your friends likes and dislikes even if you don't particularly like it. If they start to talk about it, a friend would listen or pretend to at least. It is obviously very important to that person.

If they talk about that interest all the time, that is when you say something because it is being disrespectful to you.

Going back to the oppression bit, I'm not saying the purpose of childfree was so people could cry out for being oppressed but as I think we both agree there are people who do turn it into that.

Maybe not everyone in childfree is hiveminded, but they do come off that way whenever anyone insults the community, childfree comes to the defense. It's just a community and if there are people who don't understand it, who really cares? You like it, it helps you, some idiot online thinks differently. No amount of bitching at certain people will make them change their minds. And usually the more snide the comment, the more they won't listen. This is why troll arguments are amusing because people don't stop trying to tell the troll off. A lot of CFers set themselves up as troll bait because they're so defensive.

Going back to the people who think pregnant bellies are beautiful types. I think extremists of any walk of life are pretty bad. Whether it is the sort who are all "PREGNANT WOMAN ARE BEAUTIFUL!" or the "CHILDREN ARE UGLY! I DON'T WANT TO SEE PREGNANT WOMEN!" they're both pretty annoying/bad in their own way. I don't think one is worse than the other. The most intelligent bit I read was the person who said that pregnant women are a way of life. Breastfeeding is natural, get over it. Nothing was glorified it was just stating simple facts.

Okay, I'm done. If I offended you, I apologize.

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iczer6
2004-06-28 06:29 am UTC (link)

"I have a friend in real life who is a part of childfree and she gets that way an awful lot. I can say something like, "Aw...what a cute child..." And she'll give me a look like I was shoving dirt in her face oppressing her because I like kids.

If you're friend doesn't like kids then yes cooing them and pointing them out is kinda like 'shoving dirt in her face'.

While I get annoyed at the 'OMG we're opressed' mindset I can understand why CFers get so annoyed.

It is frustrating to be treated you like you're insane or evil simply because you don't like children.

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notapirate
2004-06-28 05:52 pm UTC (link)

It works both ways though. Said friend gets offended if I tell a story that happens to have a child in it...like my niece. I'm not shoving anything in her face. I find she shoves her childfreeness in my face all the time. Like my roommate was showing a picture of her baby cousin to me. And she says, 'EWW! It's disgusting!" I find that a little rude. You know? I don't care if you don't want to have children or hate them, but when you are vocal about it, be prepared for people to disagree. If you force your beliefs on others, you are just as bad as the "oppressors". Just because they disagree with you doesn't mean they're against you.

I'll agree, people say some rude things about childfree, but it doesn't make the community look good when the CFers jump back replying just as wanky as the rude person who said it. I'm not saying you are doing that, by the way, but I notice a lot of CFers do that.

It's a community. And if one is comfortable in their beliefs, they wouldn't have to snark back. Just shrug and move on.

Once again, it is the militant ones that cause people to form the umbrella of "insane or evil" over a term. It isn't fair but it happens. And my vent was more on the militant types of CFers not towards the community in general. CF represents very much freedom of choice and that is respectable. I think whatever people want to do with their life, should be alright.

If a woman wants to stay home and have five kids, that should be respected (hopefully she has an income). If a woman wants to not have kids and have a career, she should be respected too!

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	iczer6 2004-06-28 02:02 am UTC (link)
	Actually that's one thing that irks me about CF, the whole 'OMG I saw a PREGNANT woman today my eyes are on fire'! Christ suck it up, people get pregnant and if you find it so utterly repulsive you can, ya know, LOOK AWAY! Really we have muscles in our eyes, and necks for just that purpose. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	phosfate 2004-06-28 04:13 pm UTC (link)
	And 'I parkd in a stork space I am TEH REBLE!' (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	panthea 2004-07-02 04:52 am UTC (link)
	Dude, I park in stork spaces 'cause I'm lazy. If that makes me a rebel, then hey, bonus! (Reply to this)(Parent)

maryavatar
2004-06-27 03:17 pm UTC (link)

Personally I think I looked pretty hideous when I was pregnant. However, I did get one of my husband's friends blushing, gibbering and sending me longing looks, so I suppose some people find it attractive.

I had to wear a stomach support thingy for the last few weeks of my second pregnancy, and it was the ugliest thing I've ever worn (and I was a teenager in the eighties, so I know ugly). I wouldn't have minded having something like that 'corset', although probably not in PVC.

And what is with the attitude that pregnant or breastfeeding mothers should be hidden away so as not to offend people? What's next? Hiding ugly people? Or the handicapped? I feel revolted when people blow their noses, does that mean people shouldn't be allowed to do it in public? Jeeze, if your spawn is hungry, you have to feed it. It comes down to a choice between a screaming and overstressed infant or a little exposed boob. So some people are offended? Big deal; as soon as you step outside your door you have to put up with other people and the stuff they do.

Uh oh... I'm starting to wank. Time for a cold shower. Heh, and since this is a fetish wank, I can use my chastity belt icon :)

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	ecchaniz0r 2004-06-27 04:22 pm UTC (link)
	However, I did get one of my husband's friends blushing, gibbering and sending me longing looks, so I suppose some people find it attractive. Either that or he was in awe of the larger bosoomers. Or mebbe both. ...Boys are weird. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	maryavatar 2004-06-27 04:28 pm UTC (link)
	snerk The ba-zooms were a G-cup before I got pregnant, and I got barely a blink. The belly started puffing up and he turned into The Incredible Quivering Protoplasm Man. O.o (Reply to this)(Parent)

	teratologist 2004-06-27 04:49 pm UTC (link)
	And what is with the attitude that pregnant or breastfeeding mothers should be hidden away so as not to offend people? You know, the other day I saw a breastfeeding mom at the Farmer's Market and you know what? I was able to just look at something else and walk on by. I wonder if the wankers have ever tried this startlingly novel solution. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	maryavatar 2004-06-27 05:22 pm UTC (link)
	Heck no, because breastfeeding mothers obviously want people to stare at their tits. It's all a big ploy to flaunt their fecundity in people's faces. By staring and being offended, the wankers are actually being polite! No, it doesn't make sense to me either. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

and here I go blah blah blah

moonjaguar
2004-06-27 09:31 pm UTC (link)

What gets me is a lot of these people that gross out at the idea of breastfeeding will go "awwww" at a litter of puppies nursing.

I also just love when American TV mentality kicks in (seeing someone get their head kicked in is oh-kay! but gawdforbid if a bare boob bounces across the screen think of the chilldruuun!) and "OMG someone's child might see a flung-out tit with a sprog attached". Sheesh. I saw my way older than me sister breastfeeding when I was five and the only thing I thought was "so *that's* what boobies are for!". Most moms I see out in public usually drape a burp cloth, part of their shirt or a blanket over the breast and the baby. Or else they go somewhere quiet so they can nurse in peace.

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	Re: and here I go blah blah blah maryavatar 2004-06-27 09:59 pm UTC (link)
	I always stuck my spawn up under my tee-shirt. Hardly anyone noticed. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah moonjaguar 2004-06-27 11:58 pm UTC (link)
	"Mommy! that lady has a parasitic twin!" (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah maryavatar 2004-06-28 12:00 am UTC (link)
	LOL! Or 'Why does that lady's tummy have feet?' (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah ladybirdsleeps 2004-06-27 11:18 pm UTC (link)
	I saw my way older than me sister breastfeeding when I was five and the only thing I thought was "so that's* what boobies are for!".* I've heard of weaning late, but ... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah moonjaguar 2004-06-28 12:00 am UTC (link)
	LOL! My sister was 20, I was 5, her baby was, well... let's see, this was around Xmas so the baby was two months. I forgot to say "breastfeeding her baby"!! I think I just busted a gut wheezes calls 911 reaches for nebulizer (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah moonjaguar 2004-06-28 12:01 am UTC (link)
	Blast! Sorry about the double post. I got a timeout message for the first one so I decided edit this one and resend. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah maryavatar 2004-06-28 12:03 am UTC (link)
	Oh, thank God. I was thinking 'Ummm... I don't like to judge how people raise their children, but... meep' (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah moonjaguar 2004-06-28 12:07 am UTC (link)
	Heh... even as far back as 1970 I think that would be all over the news. Eep. I'm still dying at how a forgotten "her baby" made my comment into a "whaaaa?" My neurologist adjusted my seizure drugs and I'm a bit groggy-- can I blame it on that? But what would I blame all my other airheaded gaffes on? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah maryavatar 2004-06-28 12:08 am UTC (link)
	Blame Canada! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: and here I go blah blah blah moonjaguar 2004-06-28 12:15 am UTC (link)
	./~... for all my airheaded gaffes It seems like my head's been up my ass Since they came along Blame Canada! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2004-06-28 02:04 am UTC (link)
	I've suggested it and been told that they have to look, they are forced to stare at the person breastfeeding. I'm not kidding here. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	moonjaguar 2004-06-28 06:20 am UTC (link)
	The Milk-Engorged Breast Of Doom Commands Them! "Look at me! Look! A baby iz pastede on yay!" (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pokecheck 2004-06-28 06:20 am UTC (link)
	So the multibreasted über-mother put a boob-gun to their foreheads and said "You WILL stare at the breastfeeding or I shall lactate upon you! Muah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!" That's what happened, right? Right? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	notapirate 2004-06-28 06:19 pm UTC (link)
	I think they're hiding a secret fetish and are blaming other people for it! :O (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lots42 2004-07-02 07:09 am UTC (link)
	It's not the feeding that bothers me more then the baby itself. BABIES are annoying. I just want a big mac in peace and some days that's too much toa sk (Reply to this)(Parent)