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Tangle of Toy ([info]funkyhelix) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2004-09-06 09:54:00


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I'm not a doctor, but I play one on the internet....

This is my opinion, but I've done research and talked to people who back me up so I'm so totally right! Depression is all in your mind. It's not an illness! Go outside, run around in the sun, and cheer up Emo kid!




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[info]sarajayechan
2004-09-06 05:01 pm UTC (link)
*looks at the entry*

Bitch, please. Depression IS a fucking illness! Yes, sometimes people make a big deal of diagnosing it just cause someone shows "symptoms" like, ONCE, but it exists. It just varies with every person.

Then again, I'm no doctor or expert on the subject so I could be wrong. Even so...

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I wank here to avoid wanking there. - [info]beccastareyes, 2004-09-06 05:50 pm UTC

[info]ladybirdsleeps
2004-09-06 06:03 pm UTC (link)
I have nothing clever to say to that steaming pile of pseudo-scientific dog shit, so I think I'll just fart in his direction.

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[info]ingrid
2004-09-06 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Depression? You lazy, git! Go out! Get some sunshine! Get some exercise!

Too bad that the extreme fatigue and anxiety depression causes STOPS you from doing all of the above, even when you'd desperately like to.

Because that would have saved me a whole lot of money way back when.

Sunshine is free, medication not so much ... even us overly medicated attention-whores know that much.

*eyeroll*

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[info]big_bad_wolf
2004-09-06 06:21 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, depression isn't an illness and neither is cystic fibrosis. Nice try, wankhat! Come again when you're too tired to get out of bed and too fucked up to eat. Please, do. I'll LAUGH you into the sunshine and fresh air.

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[info]electricchick
2004-09-06 06:24 pm UTC (link)
Er, yes. My fifty-year-old aunt is suffering from depression because of a behavioral response to adolescence.

Yes, depression is in your mind. It's an illness in your mind.

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ARGH!!!
[info]moonjaguar
2004-09-06 06:28 pm UTC (link)
Oh man... I gotta stay away before I kick her in the head. Well, enough people are responding in her journal saying "Stop the car, mitardtai" so I guess I don't need to come in there with my boots on.

I've gone on about how I think some people who are on medication don't always need to be (medication faddists, I hear these young girls talking casually on the bus about the latest scripts and how their doctors changed them from one to another as if they were talking about hair colors or permanents and hairdressers--sheesh, when I was a teen being on "crazy pills" and going to a shrink was something you kept secret and if anyone saw you taking those pills the explanation was "I have allergies") and how some people need to get off their asses and quit whining because they do a disservice to people who really need help. Mitard is the flip side of that and she is yet another person who does a disservice in a big way to people who genuinely need help.

I for one don't have depression. I have times where I'm depressed, at most it lasts a couple days and goes away on its own, I call them my "bummers" or "downs" and for me it's a reaction to a situation (like having a three day migraine... chronic pain makes people feel depressed). I don't expect people to be like me who has the bummers fade in a day or three, in fact I consider myself damn fortunate, just in the same way that I never had PMS when I still had my uterus, just in the same way I feel fortunate I don't have a number of conditions other people have.

People like her smugly lalalaing about vitamins, diet, sunshine and shiny happies are patronizing shits. I've known enough people with actual major depression (episodes or ongoing) who required serious help. And the "it's all in your head", saying that to anyone is enough to make me want to kick someone. I've known so many people get "it's all in your head" for conditions ranging from depression to migraines to life-threatening ectopic (sp?) pregnancies. One of my "it's all in your head" turned out to be temporal lobe epilepsy.

I better quit now because this is going beyond "bitch, please". "It's all in your head" is one of those phrases that makes me want to go on a killing spree. I think I better go do something like wash the floor or come up with a navigation menu or something.

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Re: ARGH!!! - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-09-07 01:00 am UTC

allen
2004-09-06 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Amusingly enough (or perhaps not), I remember her having this same argument with Alara Rogers over in comicfandom, with pretty much the same points, with the same results. That had to have been well over four years ago. Jeez.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-07 06:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nostalgia, 2004-09-07 05:32 pm UTC

[info]xero_sky
2004-09-06 07:53 pm UTC (link)
For every person online that I've spoken with, a majority claiming to have dealt with moderate to serious depression, none of them seem happy with the pill regiment they've been put on by physicians except one, and that one is only happy because she is no longer depressed.

So... she's happy because the pills worked? Huh, fancy that.

Dumbass.

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[info]deoridhe
2004-09-06 08:10 pm UTC (link)
*falls over laughing*

Oh my god! Psychology wank! My favorite! *snickers*

I loved the comment about taking St. John's Wort and how it was probably a placebo; St. John's Wort is a low level anti-depresent; I think it's a seritonin reuptake inhibitor, but I could be wrong; it's a long time since I took Neuropsych. In fact, I believe psychologists are not specifically asking if people are using it because it can interact with perscribed medications.

Obligatory PSA: St. John's Wort, taken occasionally and in small doses is fine. St. John's Wort should not be taken for more than two weeks straight due to side effects. Let your doctor know if your using this (or any other herbs) since it does have a chemical effect. < /psych hat >

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(no subject) - [info]wolfsamurai, 2004-09-06 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cjk, 2004-09-06 08:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wolfsamurai, 2004-09-06 08:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-09-06 09:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2004-09-07 03:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]yesmaster, 2004-09-08 07:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]deoridhe, 2004-09-08 01:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]yesmaster, 2004-09-08 06:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-09-08 01:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tempslut, 2004-09-06 09:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-09-07 02:57 am UTC

[info]iczer6
2004-09-06 08:29 pm UTC (link)
The problem is, in my opinion, that research into 'curing' depression is fixated on treating symptoms, not fixing the problem. It is the opinion of smarter people than I that pharmecutical companies are responsible for this trend. It is a fact that the trend exists.

While this may be partially true I do want to point out that in some cases we may not know what the problem is, where it comes from, or even how to fix it.

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[info]wolfsamurai
2004-09-06 08:31 pm UTC (link)
Aah, think we were about due for another depression wank, one of the few that I've got personal stake in. Unfortunately attitudes like this seem to be faaar too widespread. I've been diagnosed with clinical depression (among other things) and the general attitude towards this is that somehow it's all my fault and if I'd just get out and do things it would go away. Even by family. So while this person is being an overgeneralizing twit, it sadly isn't a unique thing to see.

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(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-09-07 09:16 pm UTC

[info]ladysorka
2004-09-06 08:52 pm UTC (link)
I couldn't help it. I wanked.

*hangs head in shame*

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(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2004-09-06 09:46 pm UTC
Drive-by OTness . . . - [info]rhi_silverflame, 2004-09-07 06:40 am UTC
Re: Drive-by OTness . . . - [info]moonjaguar, 2004-09-07 06:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2004-09-07 12:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2004-09-07 01:13 am UTC

[info]necronomist
2004-09-06 09:11 pm UTC (link)
Oh.

Man.

Must stay strong . . .

Must not ask if she believes all mental illness is psychosomatic, because then, I'll start on my rant about . . .

No. I won't.

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[info]dawnswalker
2004-09-06 09:25 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I don't doubt that depression is a real illness, but I just think that it's way, way too overdiagnosed these days.

Which is, in a way, what leads to dumbasses like this one going "OH IT IS NOT REAL IT IS IN YOUR HEAD BECAUSE ALL OF MY FRIENDS ARE POPPING PILLS AND OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T ALL BE DEPRESSED AND BLABLABLAUGH"

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(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2004-09-06 10:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]littlest_lurker, 2004-09-07 03:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]renata_hpjc, 2004-09-07 03:24 pm UTC

[info]moonjaguar
2004-09-06 09:39 pm UTC (link)
:::::must keep in mind the company mitai keeps (nute for one) even though judging someone by the company they keep is flawed reasoning but still... if the unnameable one got wind of that one could you imagine the fireworks?::::

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2004-09-07 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2004-09-07 04:38 am UTC

[info]tempslut
2004-09-06 09:56 pm UTC (link)
Of course depression is all in your mind. Thus the term "mental illness". Thus the never wanting to get out of bed. (Which totally fucked up my college transcript. It's a miracle I even graduated. Hmph.)

I'd like to see her deal with the wild mood swings of my bipolar disorder that I had to deal with for the longest time before I found meds that worked. Then maybe she wouldn't be spewing the shit she's spewing.

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[info]iczer6
2004-09-06 10:46 pm UTC (link)
To be short? I think some are, and some aren't. I'm straying into VERY dangerous waters here, because I have not done the level of research on any of these you've mentioned as I've done on depression.

Which is why you need to SIT DOWN and SHUT THE FUCK UP!

You have no fucking clue what you're babbling about, and I'd appreciate it if you'd stop acting like the Authority on mental illness.

I hope you OD on Saint John's Wart you load that your momma shoulda swallowed.


Icz

[Sorry for the wank and the flaming here, this person just royally pissed me off.]

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[info]eris
2004-09-06 10:50 pm UTC (link)
I'd love to rip this girl a new asshole and then some, because denial of depression as an illness infuriates me more than anything. Obviously this bitch hasn't had a case of major depression, and has no fucking idea how destructive it can be.
But as one poster said, I can't get up the energy to care.

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[info]eljuno
2004-09-06 11:09 pm UTC (link)
Hm, you know, it's funny.

I've never liked taking my antidepressants or any of my other meds, and I only went back on them in the first place following a severe stress event. When said stress stopped taking over my life, I got doctor's permission and took myself back off my medication (I hate taking pills, as said before, and also for some reason I seem to be hypersensitive to side-effects of most medications. This is also known as 'Why Juno has taken every SSRI known to mankind, and not been on any of them for longer than about a week.')

So. I took myself off my medication and did just about everything she suggested. What happened?

Fell into severe depressive/anxious fit, became paranoid and oversensitive from said fit, stopped being able to do anything whatsoever and almost couldn't afford the college dorm room I'm sitting in right now because I didn't work enough this summer.

Back on my meds now. Not particularly happy about it at times, don't like taking them, but I've decided that it's FAR more important to me to live my life than it is to live my life without medication. And the meds don't fix everything but it's like...it's like in the back of my head I've got this little track going of backtalk, telling me that I'm useless, whatever. And I've trained myself to not listen to that 99% of the time, but sometimes I fall. For some reason, the meds...don't make it stop, but make it quieter (this is all metaphor, by the way. I don't hear voices or anything.) And it's like I've got something sapping my will, and the meds don't get rid of that, completely, but they cut down on it.

But things are going easier, I've taken more action on things in my life, and I've stopped feeling like I'm treading water. Since I went back on my meds, I mean.

Yeah, honey. It's just because I don't have enough self control/whatever. Keep saying that. Maybe, someday, you'll convince someone.

(Mind, I DO think that there are definitely people out there on meds that they don't need, I think we live in an overpathologised culture, and that there ARE people who just need to take their lives in hand and stop making excuses. I just don't think that this means that the overdiagnosed problems don't exist at all. Make sense?)

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2004-09-07 02:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-09-07 02:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]renata_hpjc, 2004-09-07 03:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]krazycat, 2004-09-08 02:05 am UTC
I hear you. - (Anonymous), 2004-09-09 04:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]biichan, 2004-09-10 02:12 am UTC

[info]thebratqueen
2004-09-06 11:39 pm UTC (link)
People like this used to surprise me, until I found out there are actually people in the world who go up to those in wheelchairs and tell them that they could get up and walk if they'd stop being so damn lazy.

So... sterilization for all morons then, is pretty much my answer here.

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(no subject) - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2004-09-07 12:12 am UTC
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[info]bishounenhuntrs
2004-09-07 12:01 am UTC (link)
....

....

I have no words for I what I think of this bullshit that Jaya Mitai is trying to pass out as fact.
I just have anger.

...

...

Fuck it! I'm going to go read f_w, and cool off. *murderous grumbling*

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[info]moonjaguar
2004-09-07 01:00 am UTC (link)
And here is Mitai crowing about how "All these strangers have been very polite, very calm, very intelligent, and very patient in a post regarding what is for many of us a very emotional topic. This is all well and good! I like debate, and I think that lots of good points have been made all over the place. However, even though it's a holiday, I've given over half my day to this post and its responses, and frankly, I never saw it coming. Had I known my unpopular opinion was going to be so popular, I would have defined every term and made sure my generalized statements were more specific and concise."

She chirpily encourages more debate and if a troll shows up, the thread will be frozen and allowed to continue elsewhere.

I hate perky saccharine jerks who think they're being cute and nice when they're really being assholes.. I always wanted to shoot Mary Richards and Laura Petrie (hell, just about anyone Mary Tyler Moore played) with shotgun shells full of rock salt, mini sinkers and vinegar.

(deleted and reposted because I forgot to close a tag. Note to self: preview is your friend, dummy)

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(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-09-07 06:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2004-09-07 10:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2004-09-08 03:30 am UTC

[info]oysteria
2004-09-07 01:51 am UTC (link)
As someone who suffered from a deep depression that was eventually lifted without meds by changing several major lifestyle factors--i.e., someone who suffered from exactly what this idiot believes all depression is--I'd like to say she's still full of shit. My depression could be alleviated by quitting my job, moving, changing diet and exercise, etc, but I can name at least six people off the top of my head--half of them family members--who take or should be taking (or should have taken, in the case of the great-grandmother who committed suicide while her daughter was in college) anti-depressants. Because what worked for me will not necessarily work for everyone.

Jackass. Not everyone's brain chemistry works like yours.

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(no subject) - [info]moonjaguar, 2004-09-07 06:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2004-09-07 02:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-09-08 02:02 pm UTC

[info]reinhardt
2004-09-07 02:11 am UTC (link)
*eyelid twitch* I have nothing to say to the OP but this: Bite me you smeghead.

That is all.

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