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	iczer6 2004-10-03 02:02 am UTC (link)
	Oy. I don't think Dr. Phil was attempting to harm the kid, he's pointing that he has some fucking serious issues that need to be addressed before he ends up doing something really awful. Icz (Reply to this)

greenglass
2004-10-03 02:26 am UTC (link)

I saw that section of his show while in psychology class. Now, I hate Dr. Phil. I think he gives bad parenting advice at times.

however, the 9 year old kid tortured small animals, liked to beat up hsi younger sister to see her bleed, and smeared feces on the wall. The very last is something I've never heard of a kid his age doing.

I think Dr. phil was pointing the obvious, "OMG! Your kid is fucked up!" which apparantly needed to be done.

/opinion.

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	iczer6 2004-10-03 02:48 am UTC (link)
	Christ! I didn't see the show but had his parents done anything about his behavior? Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	greenglass 2004-10-03 02:55 am UTC (link)
	Basically just yelled at him. Clean the crap off his walls. Dr. Phil went on about they never paid attention to him unless he did something bad, which was the whole ~~"My kid's an attention whore!"~~ negative feedback thing. However, Dr. Phil said to strip his room until he had only his bed, which I think was a damn good idea. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	bishounenhuntrs 2004-10-03 05:09 am UTC (link)
	..the 9 year old kid tortured small animals, liked to beat up his younger sister to see her bleed, and smeared feces on the wall. I'm not a big Dr. Phil fan, but it sounds like he was on the mark with kid. World, meet young sociopath. Young sociopath, meet world. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rhi_silverflame 2004-10-03 05:49 am UTC (link)
	and smeared feces on the wall. The very last is something I've never heard of a kid his age doing. As I understand it, this sort of behavior tends to be indicative of severe sexual trauma. So yeah. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sesana 2004-10-03 02:42 am UTC (link)
	Right... Call me a future serial killer here, but judging on the kid's reported behavior, I rather doubt that the people around him think he's a wonderful child. If he acts anything like that at school, most of his teachers have already called him a serial killer in the making, so I doubt this will change their mind much. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	littleshebear 2004-10-03 03:09 am UTC (link)
	Agreed. I think it would be hard for this kid to be stigamatised any more that he probably already is. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-10-03 03:31 am UTC (link)
	True, considering how he acts I wouldn't be surprised if such names either didn't bother him or he takes them as compliments. [Yeah I knew kids who'd take something like 'you'll end up killing someone someday' as a compliment.] Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	littleshebear 2004-10-03 03:45 am UTC (link)
	And I suppose it's possible that this little episode could alter people's perceptions of the kid favourably, from "this kid is a little shit" to "this kid is ill and needs help." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	littlest_lurker 2004-10-03 03:28 am UTC (link)
	Dr. Phil is the anti-christ. Which is amusing, because I once came this close to making an icon that said "Jesus, He's like Dr. Phil, in a way". Well, I thought it was funny... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	adora_spintriae 2004-10-03 07:19 am UTC (link)
	Now I shall forever imagine Jesus speaking with a Southern accent, and regularly saying "Are you nuts!?" when people ask him questions. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	senor_pinata 2004-10-03 08:11 am UTC (link)
	I like that Jesus. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2004-10-03 05:09 am UTC (link)
	What's wrong with Hank Hill? (Reply to this)

	blackjackrocket 2004-10-03 06:11 am UTC (link)
	I believe I showed many of those traits as well (not the ones the kid had, but you know) and I ~~haven't killed anyone yet~~ turned out ok. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iczer6 2004-10-03 09:00 am UTC (link)
	To be fair I'm sure not everyone who exhibits some of these traits will be a serial killer, but this kid pratically had the whole list. For me it's things like animal and people torturing, and setting fires, which causes the most worry. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	oulangi 2004-10-03 09:12 am UTC (link)
	so you say.... But when was the last time anyone dug around your garden? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	blackjackrocket 2004-10-03 09:12 am UTC (link)
	Hey! Those bodies were there when I moved in! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	senor_pinata 2004-10-03 08:12 am UTC (link)
	Oh mah gott. Icon. LOVE. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	urbanspaceman 2004-10-03 08:19 am UTC (link)
	Hehehe, thanks. Feel free to steal. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	senor_pinata 2004-10-03 05:56 pm UTC (link)
	It's so funny because I can just HEAR his voice saying that...ah, I love Ghostbusters. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	teratologist 2004-10-03 03:30 pm UTC (link)
	The kid does sound like potential bad news - But is Dr. Phil really a doctor, or one of those 'doctor of something totally irrelevant' doctors like Dr. Laura? I can never keep track with these people. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	melange 2004-10-03 05:36 pm UTC (link)
	He is a licensed psychologist (or was at one point). However, he is the kind of licensed psychologist who left private practice when he realized he'd rather yell at people than actually listen to their problems. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	conchoidal 2004-10-03 05:47 pm UTC (link)
	ooh hey Dr. Phil wank... you can add this. http://www.livejournal.com/community/psych_students/201149.html?nc=90&style=mine seems like he's a pretty unpopular guy. (I don't think that link has been posted yet, if it has, sorry) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	lurker32 2004-10-03 07:07 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, man, I think you hit the motherlode. I'm getting a cavity from all that condescension. (Reply to this)(Parent)

gal_montag
2004-10-04 01:04 am UTC (link)

Why would it be crazy to label a kid a psychotic at 9? There are plenty younger who are medicated for bipolar and ADD and God knows what else, this is nothing new.

And seem to me that people don't like Dr. Phil because he's blunt. He only has 15 minutes to tell people what's wrong with them and push them towards the help they need. If he did his job like a regular psychologist there'd really be no point to what he's doing.

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	darkvalkyrie 2004-10-04 03:42 am UTC (link)
	And seem to me that people don't like Dr. Phil because he's blunt. That's the impression I get from a lot of his detractors, honestly. shrug And yeah, some people may not respond to that, but others do. OT, but his sister lives across the street from my parents. o.o I didn't know that until Dad mentioned it the other day. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2004-10-04 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	He only has 15 minutes to tell people what's wrong with them and push them towards the help they need. Spot the flaw. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

gal_montag
2004-10-05 01:51 am UTC (link)

I already did, but the thing is that he doesn't
pretend that he's saving anyone or try to make anyone think that 15 minutes is going to fix them right up. He's not doing the job that a regular psychologist would do and he's never represented that he does. He may not always be right, but he does what he can and if people don't like that then they should stop going on his show and airing their dirty laundry and then guess what? He'd get cancelled. Problem is that everybody wants a quick fix and, right or wrong, that's what he's giving people.

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	phosfate 2004-10-05 02:16 pm UTC (link)
	I'm gonna go with wrong. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gal_montag 2004-10-05 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not saying it's right, only that you get what you pay for, so to speak. (Reply to this)(Parent)

meshou
2004-10-05 02:48 am UTC (link)

From what I gather, they spend two or three hours getting a history before the show, spend the show to try and give a "wake up" bitchslap, and then set them up with a local psych doctor. I also understand that in some cases, he pays for a certain amount of subsequent treatment if the guest really needs it and couldn't pay for it otherwise.

So it's not an irresponsible set up, and it's about the best you can do on national TV.

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	phosfate 2004-10-05 02:15 pm UTC (link)
	Why, that makes it okay! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	meshou 2004-10-05 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	I never known a psych doc who did more good than harm, and he looks like he at least tries. So, yes. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2004-10-05 09:21 pm UTC (link)
	And really, what makes it less okay than what happens on Riki Lake, say, where the guest gets 30 seconds at the end of the show, if that, to talk to a psychologist (or really, sit petulantly while a psychologist tells them they need help without really listening)and then gets sent on their merry way? At least Dr. Phil seems to be trying to help. (Reply to this)(Parent)