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	cie_anthy 2004-10-06 12:16 am UTC (link)
	Personally, I hope that whoever got his organs don't find out that he's the one that supplied 'em. Ugh. As if getting transplants aren't bad enough as is (isn't there a whole psychological survivor's guilt complex about it?), finding out that the guy you got them from might not have been dead is really, really horrible. (Reply to this)

virago
2004-10-06 12:47 am UTC (link)

Though that's an idiotic thing to say, I'm also ehhh... not all that happy when people say "But what if it was your family/friend/spouse?!" - as if that is a completely different situation, because your family's lives are important and everyone else's are not. "Oh, I was going to say fuck those people who need new livers, but if it's Uncle Frank, then that's DIFFERENT." I just... no.

On the entertaining side, I love how Miss Compressionface implies that this happens every single day. Yyyy...yeah. Okay. It happens "more and more," "all the time." Rrrrright.

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	iczer6 2004-10-06 01:12 am UTC (link)
	I know that I live in terror of falling asleep and waking to find that a doctor has taken my organs. [They can have the pancreas though, it doesn't work anyway.] Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2004-10-06 01:25 am UTC (link)
	But look on the bright side - you lose a lung and both your kidneys, but you gain a bathtub full of ice! D'you know how much alcohol can be kept cold by a bathtub full of ice?! Black-market organ harvester party, woo! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kijikun 2004-10-06 01:13 am UTC (link)
	I think the girl has been watching that Law and Order ep about it to many times. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2004-10-06 01:23 am UTC (link)
	Oy. If it's on TV, you KNOW it's true. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rogue 2004-10-06 01:28 am UTC (link)
	What are you walking about? It's LAW AND ORDER! It's RIPPED FROM THE HEADLINES! It is ALL TRUE OMG! I don't even need to go to law school, I know everything about the judicial system from Jack McCoy! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	vasaris 2004-10-06 01:34 am UTC (link)
	Oi! Stone! McCoy's a candy-ass wanker in comparison! ...okay, maybe not, but I liked the original guy. Although I gotta admit... Sam Waterston is still teh_hotness (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rogue 2004-10-06 01:52 am UTC (link)
	I thought Stone was boring. A million times more realistic, but damnit, this is TEE VEE! I wants me some melodramatic self-richeous angst-ridden conflict, and all that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kijikun 2004-10-06 01:34 am UTC (link)
	I was much as ~~I want to have his babies~~ ~~fangirl~~ ~~have a serect shrine too~~ like Jack McCoy, he's given some fans such the wrong idea of the justice system. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rogue 2004-10-06 01:50 am UTC (link)
	Indeed, it's far less accurrate than they continue to advertise. ... Yet I can't seem to stop watching it. At first it was just SVU (BELZER!), then I discovered Sam Waterson, and now I'm doomed to watching it forever. With 12+ years of reruns, I'm sure I'll never be able to have a life ever again. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	evening_rose 2004-10-06 04:28 pm UTC (link)
	Ahh, and the L&O cycle continues. It's a beautiful thing. Especially if you've been watching since the show first aired. I have. I was seven at the time. And I wonder why I'm such a cynical bitch now....XD (Reply to this)(Parent)

cie_anthy
2004-10-06 01:22 am UTC (link)

I'm also ehhh... not all that happy when people say "But what if it was your family/friend/spouse?!" - as if that is a completely different situation, because your family's lives are important and everyone else's are not.

Well, but isn't that the point they're trying to make? 'Your family is important, and therefore so are other people's, try to empathize'? That's how I always took it, at least.

As for Miss Compressionface (nice name, by the way), I completely agree with her. After all, it does happen more and more. It does! I have no evidence to back it up aside from this single article we've all just read, but it happens all the time. Really!

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virago
2004-10-08 06:14 am UTC (link)

I never assume that that's what people mean when they whip out the "what if it were you" line. I always assume it means "you're more important than other people." Because they've already decided that strangers' lives aren't important.

That, and they have programs in which you can donate blood specifically for yourself and your family - I'm probably combining the two in my mind into this big misanthropic "you're all self-centered bastards" gripe. ;)

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cie_anthy
2004-10-08 06:29 am UTC (link)

Huh. I'll have to pay more attention to what I say, then, because I've used similar lines for the purpose of trying to get the person to empathize. It's rather... unsettling, to find out that people may have taken it a completely different way.

And I can *sort of* understand why people would donate blood just for them and their family - as I understand it, own/family blood is usually better for a patient - but yeah, that's really sad. I hadn't heard of those programs before. Yeesh, it really makes me wish I could donate blood to the general cause - I have low blood pressure, though, and they never let me donate.

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	iczer6 2004-10-08 06:33 am UTC (link)
	I always assume it means "you're more important than other people." Because they've already decided that strangers' lives aren't important. When you get down to it I think most people are gonna value the lives of those they love over the lives of people they barely know. Icz (Reply to this)(Parent)

family exeptions

karmakaze
2004-10-06 02:49 pm UTC (link)

"But what if it was your family/friend/spouse?!" - as if that is a completely different situation, because your family's lives are important and everyone else's are not. "Oh, I was going to say fuck those people who need new livers, but if it's Uncle Frank, then that's DIFFERENT." I just... no.

The things is, many people do think that way. Look at Nancy Regan - she was all for the party line that stem cell research was bad, until it was her husband who was suffering.

Or for that matter, there are women who have abortions, and then turn around and picket family planning clinics. Their problem was real and required a drastic solution, but all those other women? Baby-killing hos.

I think the point someone was trying to make is "it's easy to think you'd blow something like this off when it's theoretical, but consider how you'd feel if the victim was someone in whom you're emotionally vested - that's how the people involved feel."

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	Re: family exeptions virago 2004-10-08 06:16 am UTC (link)
	I know people do think that way; I just don't think it's a good thing. I don't assume that they think it's theoretical - if they're so stupid as to make a decision like that without considering how the families of the people involved think, I... wow. I can't believe that. Though I guess I shouldn't be surprised at how stupid and ignorant people can be. Bleh. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: family exeptions blue_linnet 2004-10-08 11:08 am UTC (link)
	I know someone who says she won't donate her organs because the thought 'creeps her out'. But she says that she might feel differently if something happened to a friend or family member of hers. That just bothers me on so many levels. In retrospect, I should've asked her if she'd refuse to accept a donated organ if it meant her life or death... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rogue 2004-10-06 01:30 am UTC (link)
	I can't seem to get past the personal "lalala come to my house, help me move, why didn't you call me?" stuff to find the wank. lazy (Reply to this)

mistressrenet
2004-10-06 01:38 am UTC (link)

Rardin was brought to Montrose Memorial on September 26 and declared brain dead, Young said. He was then taken by helicopter to St. Mary's, where he was again declared brain dead and surgeons removed his organs.
Dude, how many times do they have to declare you're brain dead before you're really declared dead, anyway? (Yeah, yeah, I know. Tests. And stuff.)

What I really love is the assumption that they wouldn't, say, take you off life support unless they wanted your organs. :p

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	(Anonymous) 2004-10-06 05:00 am UTC (link)
	Desmond Tutu wank! (http://www.livejournal.com/community/thedailyshow/297133.html) Is this where someone shouts BINGO? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-10-06 05:34 am UTC (link)
	Oh, and before I am jumped: I am not amusing enough to do a write-up of any kind. There are no personal grudges in this wank, I just want to share the wacky. I don't want to sign up because frankly, I'm lazy. ~elephantseal@gmail.com (Reply to this)(Parent)

lessis
2004-10-06 06:00 am UTC (link)

Oh please. I have a hard time believing that story. Maybe the doctors did make a mistake but I really really doubt that they deliberately removed a person's organs when there was any possibility of recovering. Maybe that's because a friend of mine who was killed was left on life support for a few days after doctors declared her brain-dead while they waited for the final gag reflexes to stop before harvesting her organs.*

Now the bit about removing the organ donor thing from your driver's license. Isn't that a bit pointless? No matter what you state doctors are still required to get your families permission before they can do anything to harvest your organs. Maybe some-one who works in an ER or something can tell, but do they even bother thinking about organ donations before it looks like they've lost the patients who'll be doing the donating?

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	bubosquared 2004-10-06 08:51 am UTC (link)
	Hell, in Belgium, you're technically an organ donor unless you explicitely state otherwise, and they still usually ask the family. But OMG clearly Belgian doctors are going around harvesting organs like Grim Reapers on speed JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-10-07 12:36 pm UTC (link)
	It's things like that that make me threaten to move to parts European. Anonymouse 1 (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vassilissa 2004-10-07 02:25 pm UTC (link)
	envies Belgians their sensible laws (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bubosquared 2004-10-07 05:20 pm UTC (link)
	oh, we have plenty of non-sensible ones aas well. Unfortunately. :/ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-10-12 06:57 am UTC (link)
	Like your damn right of way laws. So right has the right of way even if it's the smaller road but not if it's signed otherwise but if it's a roundabout the inside has right of way unless it's the outside or maybe the rightmost intersection unless... takes train (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bubosquared 2004-10-12 10:12 am UTC (link)
	Hee! Hey, it's not that bad if you're used to it! Though I'm a public transport girl myself, yeah. Cars scary. (Reply to this)(Parent)

sagralisse
2004-10-06 02:51 pm UTC (link)

My sweetie works ICU and often babysits people who have no chance of recovering and are going to die. If there's any chance that they guy was going to recover they'd, you know, treat him. The guy shot himself in the head and got pronounced twice. He was dead.

I think the coroner was just trying to push to have some of the hospital's standards changed. There's no proof that he was still alive, the coroner was just pushing for more proof that he was dead. It's too bad he used such an inflamatory way to protest.

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	eljuno 2004-10-06 12:00 pm UTC (link)
	For the record, I completely blame that WTF_Inc post for the creepy-ass dream that woke me up this morning, thus making it the first thing on the internet to give me nightmares. ...And it's really really LAME compared to a lot of things I've run across on the 'net. (Reply to this)

	lulz (Anonymous) 2004-10-06 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	someone post this (http://www.livejournal.com/community/rva/424144.html) plz (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: lulz eljuno 2004-10-06 06:04 pm UTC (link)
	To your left. See that little link that says 'Create a Journal'? Click it. Then you can post your wank yourself! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: lulz lurker32 2004-10-06 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm, a thread full of professional trolls and unwitty furry-bashing... slow day? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: lulz virago 2004-10-08 06:18 am UTC (link)
	OMG ITS TEH BESTEST THING EVAR LOLLERSKATEZ. When did we become that other site, anyway? "Post this! Post this!" backhand Post it yourselves, lameasses. ...I'm done. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: lulz lurker32 2004-10-08 06:19 pm UTC (link)
	Heh, that too. I think we need a giant sign. "Anonymice will be mocked. People who try to log in with their LJ info will be mocked more. Anonymice asking someone to post this OMG FUNNIE THRED because they tried to log in with their LJ info and couldn't will be mocked all the way to Antarctica." (Reply to this)(Parent)