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Windex Junkie ([info]windex_junkie) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2004-10-24 03:05:00


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Ethical molestation wank.
In the LJ community brutal_honesty, iangalaher asks:

"Which is worse:

A parent that verbally abuses their child.
-or-
A parent that has a loving sexual relationship with their child."


People feed the troll.

There's no such thing as equality in relationships. EVERYONE IS BDSM!

Molestation: It's like school, in a way.
Molested kids become sluts! / NABMLA: We're here to save children from society.
Not screwing your kids prevents mental trauma, too.
It's only child rape if you have to hold them down.

You're cool like me ;-)

But I'm not really for loving and intimate parent/child relationships.

Hugging: It's like sex, in a way.

Incest is bad because of evolution! He tries to change the subject. "Let's put incest aside and talk about adult/child sexual relationships."

People pet the troll.

It's up to two pages now if you're feeling brave.


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[info]ipomoea
2004-10-24 09:25 am UTC (link)
Whuuuuuuuuuut. The. Fuck.

*bleaches brain*

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[info]selene_avis
2004-10-25 02:10 am UTC (link)
Can I borrow some of that bleach?

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[info]mydemand
2004-10-24 09:57 am UTC (link)
Well, I've seen a website about this girl (don't know how old she is now) who says she's had a loving sexual relationship with her MOTHER since she was 8.

My mum's here. *bleaches brain with Clorox*

But honestly? I haven't the slightest clue. It's the "loving" bit that threw me off.

But he did keep going off on tangents about adult-child relationships and hating school...so eh.

*is rambling*

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[info]silvernutmeg
2004-10-24 11:32 am UTC (link)
Argh, I have seen that website too. *forms impromptu support group*

I mean, you know things are bad when you're yelling at your computer, "Okay, fine. You want to have a sexual relationship with your [mother, daughter]? Fine. I can't really stop you. But could you please just wait until the daughter in question is pubescent?"

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(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-10-24 12:04 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-24 12:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mydemand, 2004-10-24 02:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silvernutmeg, 2004-10-24 02:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - ataniell93, 2004-10-25 05:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2004-10-25 12:17 am UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2004-10-24 02:05 pm UTC (link)
I'm in a train-wreck sort of mood. Link?

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(no subject) - [info]silvernutmeg, 2004-10-24 03:38 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]julia, 2004-10-24 10:39 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]elkins, 2004-10-25 10:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2004-10-26 03:01 am UTC

[info]ladybirdsleeps
2004-10-24 10:13 am UTC (link)
It could be worse. At least they aren't arguing about shota-con.

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[info]windex_junkie
2004-10-24 10:37 am UTC (link)
It's not just the subject; it's the subtle alchemy resulting from its combination with the sloppy yet single-minded arguments, with a bonus of fuzzy pseudo-psychology and futile appeals to emotion. Except instead of gold as the end result, it's... something sticky.

And do tell--I don't think I saw a shota-con wank. (Quite n00bish here, doncha know.)

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(no subject) - [info]mydemand, 2004-10-24 11:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-10-24 12:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-24 12:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-24 12:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]provetheworst, 2004-10-24 12:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mydemand, 2004-10-24 02:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-24 03:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2004-10-24 04:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]winterfalls, 2004-10-24 06:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mydemand, 2004-10-25 12:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]winterfalls, 2004-10-25 08:57 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]winterfalls, 2004-10-25 10:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ari_, 2004-10-24 01:57 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-26 01:09 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]virago, 2004-10-24 07:27 pm UTC
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[info]ironymaiden
2004-10-24 08:15 pm UTC (link)
*is suddenly shamed by her liking of shotacon and slinks away, sad*

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(no subject) - [info]c_chan, 2004-10-24 09:55 pm UTC
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[info]oysteria
2004-10-24 03:18 pm UTC (link)
I think the highlight was when someone cited Ancient Greece as an example of a society with adult/child sexual relationships that didn't hurt anybody.

How in god's fucking name could she possibly know that? Ancient Greece? Fell. Everybody who lived in it has been dead for centuries. How could she possibly KNOW whether any of the people who participated in those relationships suffered adverse effects? Nobody can talk to them. You can't establish that from reading old philosophical treatises.

I hate when people try to justify something because "it happened somewhere in history, so it must have been okay." There can be negative consequences to things that are neither totally destructive nor immediately obvious. That doesn't mean they should be acceptable.

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[info]windex_junkie
2004-10-24 03:29 pm UTC (link)
Pfft. I'm sure algebra and geometry are very useful things somehow, but that doesn't mean the Greeks had everything goin' on. I think the most commonly-cited reason for the Greek boy-lovin' is their notion that women were too stupid to be appropriate objects of affection.

And the Greeks sure as hell didn't do their own kids.

Gotta love that backpedal, though--as soon as the OP realizes nobody will agree with parent/child sex, he tries to shift the debate towards general adult/child sex, and starts arguing "what if it's just oral"?

Blech.

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(no subject) - [info]oysteria, 2004-10-24 03:34 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mydemand, 2004-10-25 12:51 am UTC
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[info]sewingmyfish
2004-10-24 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Also, the relationships she refers to were between free men and older boys of at least 15. The greeks found Pedophilia as repellent as we do now.

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(no subject) - [info]visp, 2004-10-24 08:35 pm UTC
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(no subject) - meshou, 2004-10-26 03:17 am UTC

[info]adora_spintriae
2004-10-26 01:07 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I wish people would stop Canon-raping ancient Rome and Greece.

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[info]t_boy
2004-10-26 09:07 am UTC (link)
"it happened somewhere in history, so it must have been okay."

My response to that was to note that genocide happened all the time in ancient history. So does this make the Holocaust okay?

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(no subject) - [info]t_boy, 2004-10-26 09:10 am UTC

[info]sarajayechan
2004-10-24 04:29 pm UTC (link)
...Jeez.

*is so against parent-child incest she can't even stand it in fiction**

*though if they weren't blood-related I can dig it or find it amusing. *points to Greg/Carol Brady*

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[info]cleolinda
2004-10-24 08:21 pm UTC (link)
The grossest part about that whole thread is how insistent the guy is--he keeps arguing it like it's going to change someone's mind. Every time someone says, "Nah, I'd say verbal abuse is worse," he's all up in there like "Why? Why do you think so? Well, you know, a loving consensual relationship--I mean, not that I was ever molested--I mean, not that a loving relationship would be molestation--man, lactating chicks are so hot." WHAT?

(I have no problem with lactation as a fetish per se. Just juxtaposed against this consensual incest fixation it kinda squicked me. Like... what is with this guy?)

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(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2004-10-24 11:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2004-10-24 11:48 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-25 01:54 am UTC

[info]iczer6
2004-10-24 08:47 pm UTC (link)
Wow this dude is fucking scary. He seems to sincerely believe that fucking children is a *good* thing that should be supported by society.

Look not all taboos are equal. Some are stupid, but some are there for a very good reason, not because society's evil and uptight.


Icz

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-26 03:17 am UTC

[info]winterfalls
2004-10-24 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Isn't iangalaher the dude who was in that rape fantasies wank?

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(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2004-10-25 10:56 am UTC

[info]gal_montag
2004-10-24 09:38 pm UTC (link)
*foreheadpalm* Why did they even give this question serious discussion?

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(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-25 02:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2004-10-25 06:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-26 02:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2004-10-25 11:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-10-26 01:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2004-10-26 03:02 am UTC

[info]sesana
2004-10-25 05:21 am UTC (link)
Wearing a coat != sex. I really don't know why he needs that explained to him. Clothing fetish, perhaps?

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(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-10-25 09:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sesana, 2004-10-25 03:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2004-10-25 05:19 pm UTC

[info]blue_linnet
2004-10-25 07:34 am UTC (link)
The logic here is totally baffling to me. And also, the fact that he keeps saying 'loving' and 'intimate' is really creeping me out. But the comparison to giving a kid shots or making them go to school is plain stupid--the parent is not immunizing their child or sending them to school for their own benefit; they're doing it so that the kid will not get polio, or will have an education. In the case of molestation, the adult is doing it for *their own* gratification. Duh.

Also, I clicked on some links in this wank, and they disturbed me, yet I kept reading the scariness and following links. Now I'm sure that I'll get arrested for reading the trainwreckiness.

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[info]t_boy
2004-10-25 08:08 am UTC (link)
It's like life just turned into a long, long, asstr-fic (Mf/Fm/inc).

Oh boy.

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[info]wankismyfandom
2004-10-25 08:42 am UTC (link)
I love how he gets his e-feelings all hurt when people say his argument is stupid AND THEN REBUT IT.

*joins the Brain Bleaching Brigade*

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redwarrior
2004-10-25 10:03 pm UTC (link)
WTF??

This is just amazingly...stupid. 0__o Parents who have sex with their kids....have some sort of problem. (Or maybe they're jsut trying too hard to get on Springer.)

However, I'm all for reducing the age of consent to 14 or 15...

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2004-10-26 01:23 pm UTC

[info]adora_spintriae
2004-10-26 01:11 am UTC (link)
If we shifted our societal persepctive, perhaps the child would not turn into sexual deviants.

I think my creep-o-meter just exploded. *feels dirty*

I'm suggesting that we can potentially save children from these negative effects if we shift our societal view.

OKay, this guy keeps on talking about "changing the negative effects", like there's some positive effects to being raped when you're a child. Dude... just.... *hed explodes*

just because there are elements of coersion (power inbalances), that doesn't make the situation inherently negative.

O.o Oh sweet fuck. I sincerely hope this guy gets the lower half of his body run over by a mack truck.

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(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2004-10-26 01:53 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2004-10-26 03:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_linnet, 2004-10-27 12:56 am UTC

[info]vasaris
2004-10-26 02:05 am UTC (link)
I used to work for a psychologist who treated pedophiles.

If there was one thing I learned about pedophilia and perpetrators of such, it's that there's no such damn thing as what he describes... be it incest or not.

Of all the evaluations of offenders that I had to type up in the two or so years I worked for him, not one -- not a single one -- was about love or caring for the child. Even as someone without a degree in psych, that was blatantly, glaringly obvious.

And the girl who says she's in a loving, sexual relationship with her mother? She needs to read up on the concept of grooming. Child sex-preadators convince children that the whole thing is the child's idea all the time.

Frankly, although it squicks the hell out of me, if a parent their *adult* offspring are banging like the proverbial bunnies I don't care. But as a child?

Ewwwwwww. Just. Ewwwww.

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