(Post a new comment)

	backfromspace 2004-12-22 09:14 am UTC (link)
	This is one of those fabulous kerfuffles where everyone comes off like a sanctimonious snob. Whee! (Reply to this)

	rachelmap 2004-12-22 10:46 am UTC (link)
	Bwaah! I'm childfree, and I wouldn't touch that community with a 10-foot-cliche. I don't want to get spooge all over it. The furries are just a bonus. gets popcorn (Reply to this)

	sarajayechan 2004-12-22 03:21 pm UTC (link)
	children, whose deaths from neglect or abuse are an endless source of black humor. Actually, from what I've seen, people tend to want to spork the parents who caused the deaths of those children. People who are part of a declared childfree community are bad, bad people. If you meet one in the street, be sure to stone them. dies laughing (Reply to this)

	snacky 2004-12-22 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	Of course, the childfree posters are* superior. Moos can only dream of their children growing up to be bitter, angry jerks who hate their parents and spend their time on livejournal.* ::sporfle:: Is funneh 'cause it's true. (Reply to this)

	auguris 2004-12-22 07:24 pm UTC (link)
	ignores wank Encyclopœdia Dramatica? How did I not know about this before?! (Reply to this)

	darkvalkyrie 2004-12-22 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	Of course, the childfree posters are* superior. Moos can only dream of their children growing up to be bitter, angry jerks who hate their parents and spend their time on livejournal.* SNERK Okay, whoever wrote that was a genius. (Reply to this)

	senor_pinata 2004-12-22 07:57 pm UTC (link)
	Furries vs. Childfree. It's like one of those crossovers you always talk about happening until they make a movie out of it, like Freddy vs. Jason except I don't really care for either of those characters but then I am not god ~~as far as you know~~. (Reply to this)

	kadath 2004-12-22 08:44 pm UTC (link)
	An Encyclopedia Dramatica mod just posted to Childfree. It's likely to get violent. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	littlemisspiss 2004-12-23 04:57 am UTC (link)
	Bahleeted? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kadath 2004-12-23 05:19 pm UTC (link)
	So it would seem. Aww, damn. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mindset 2004-12-23 12:17 am UTC (link)
	Encyclopædia Dramatica -- Wikipedia for the LJDrama crowd. ... ... ... My god, it's full of stars! (Reply to this)

Well, shit.

nyctophilia
2004-12-23 04:02 am UTC (link)

Childfree people believe that they, as humans, were mistakenly brought into this world and they are still bitter about it.

Damn straight. Know what else I'm bitter about? The Nutter Butter Bits in the vending machine at work that gip me out of peanut butter.

They show this bitterness by making fun of parents, who they often refer to as "moos" and children, whose accidental deaths are an endless source of laughs.

...whoa, wait. Have I been reading all the wrong posts? Nobody showed me any humorous accidental deaths.

Opposing such childish behavior leads to an immediate banning and assumptions that the opposer wants an army of offspring.

By golly, if it's a crime to be bitter about life and, due to working in retail, feel the need to come home and feel vicariously superior via internet journals, and banning anybody who doesn't agree well then dammit, you may as well just dip me in honey and throw me to the lesbians*.

*Just make sure they're attractive, I'm not getting all sticky without some kind of reward.

(Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: Well, shit. (Anonymous) 2004-12-23 06:46 pm UTC (link)
	I'd like to point out something else here... The only people that were ever banned were the obvious trolls. It's one thing to offer constructive criticism about our lifestyle choices but if you barnstorm in screaming and cussing at us about how we're OMGgoingtoHELL!!elventyone! You're getting your trollish ass banned, thankyouverymuch. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2004-12-23 07:15 am UTC (link)
	MY GOD! This entire thread has made me giggle to myself in my cold, empty apartment.* *Please make no parallels between it and my soul. Love, GirlVinyl. I don't have a journalfen account. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2004-12-23 07:25 am UTC (link)
	This is twid from the thread. Hugs! Girlvinyl pointed me here. It might make it more funny if you read the discussion comments and understand that I'm just having fun. :) These childfree people are serious, let me tell you. Greetz and propz. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2004-12-23 08:02 am UTC (link)

I would think that they have every right to be serious at the damnation you've shown in the article. You might think it's all fun, but some jerk out there who doesn't have two braincells to rub together might see and freak out over anyone who says they don't want children. We live in a scary, scary world and you might think my example is ridiculous, but there are those people out there. Just keep that in mind, it's already hard enough to get people to take us seriously.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2004-12-23 06:36 pm UTC (link)

I don't have a JournalFen account yet either - but will soon! I'm from the childfree LJ community and have been posting as LongQuiet in the Dramatica thing. The relevant childfree posts were deleted because Girlvinyl was not contributing to the actual problem, only to more drama and hurt.

We are living beings with feelings that can be hurt. It's been pointed out AGAIN and AGAIN to twid that his "fun" is hurtful, discriminatory, and slanderous. He chooses to ignore that and perpetuate the stereotype of childfree people as evil demons so he can get his jollies.

I've been in the community for several months now. Any "death" posts that I've seen have been posted to by people who feel sorry for the children and then lambast the parent for being stupid. One example I can think of is the guy that ran over his kid in the driveway. If that dad had been smarter he wouldn't have killed his own kid. That's basically what everyone said.

*sigh* I'd like that entire article to be taken down. It's not doing anyone any good. Some idiot, as previously mentioned here, is bound to read it and think that it's presented as fact. Some idiot is going to take this and make it his godgiven mission in life to educate and convert childfree people.

My question to twid and every other criticizer: WHAT the hell is our decision doing to your personal life? How is MY choice to not have children injuring your life? You accuse us of being bitter; are you sure it isn't you that's bitter? I can't imagine a friendly human being going to these lengths for fun and jollies knowing that they are hurting others' feelings.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2004-12-25 10:09 pm UTC (link)

longquiet:

We're just venting about our experience with childfree people. We have a right to express our feelings without your oppression, you fascist.

It's hard to believe that a member of childfree has the guts to post this with a straight face:

It's been pointed out AGAIN and AGAIN to twid that his "fun" is hurtful, discriminatory, and slanderous.

Your community is about hate, not support. Here's a summary of your current front page:
1. I had a nice christmas without seeing any children, but I'm going to spew hatred towards my sister and complain about future christmas holidays where I will be around kids and I'm sure it will suck.
2. I went to church and someone had the gall to bring their child. I hate them.
3. I'm not a parent, but I'd like to complain about some parenting story I read on the internet. I would do things so much better if I was a parent, but I'm not going to ever be one. I hate them.
4. I sat next to two children who were pinching each other for no reason. I am in hell.
5. I don't have children but I'm so obsessed with them that I'll post some unfunny ebay auction. I hate them.
6. I don't have children but I'm so obsessed with them that I'll post some unfunny Dear Abby story. I hate them.
7. A kid was playing with a light switch and woudn't stop. His dad should have beat him senseless for it but didn't. I am in hell.
8. I went to see Blue Man Group, which is marketed as a family show, and there were kids there. I am in hell.
9. I went to a family christmas gathering and had to watch kids open presents. I am in hell.
10. I am a clueless teen with a camwhore icon, but I'm sure I'm childfree. Really. I am.

What I think you should do is put your squirrel suit back on, go to some furry gatherings, and leave the childfree community alone. That entire community is pathetic. You're the one who apparently places a lot of meaning behind being in a community bragging about how smart you are for not having children. You are the one who defines yourself by the absence of something, children. You are the essence of negative, defining yourself by what you are not, instead of what you are. You are not an artist, a furry, a book reader, a runner, you are "childfree", as if that stands for something. Pathetic.

What is your community trying to create? What are you trying to create? As for me, as I said, I'm trying to help Girlvinyl drive some traffic to her website. I thought this was a free country where I was free to do that. Apparently, I need to do what you think I should be doing.

Hugs,
- Twid

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

jerry_ds_girl
2004-12-25 10:49 pm UTC (link)

Hmmm, I don't see any answer to the question of why you're so threatened by someone else's decision not to have children.

You are the essence of negative, defining yourself by what you are not, instead of what you are. You are not an artist, a furry, a book reader, a runner, you are "childfree", as if that stands for something. OK, I'm not a furry, a runner or an artist. I just defined myself by something I'm not. I'm sure everyone can do it. So what was the point?

To me, not having children is a kind of neutral state. Some folks want them but don't have them, some folks have them and don't want them. Some people choose to have them and some don't. The problem comes when people like you decide that "OMG!! Everyone has to reproduce! It's a biological imperative! The human race will die out!!!11"

No, it's not.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mistressrenet
2004-12-26 05:35 am UTC (link)

To me, not having children is a kind of neutral state. Some folks want them but don't have them, some folks have them and don't want them. Some people choose to have them and some don't.
See, I agree with this completely. And I even understand the idea of childfree-- there's so much pressure to reproduce, and kids CAN be competely fucking annoying. But...childfree, to an outside observer, seems bitter at times beyond the norm.

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2004-12-28 03:28 am UTC (link)

... childfree, to an outside observer, seems bitter at times beyond the norm.

Most support communities, especially for things that are unpopular or unusual, are bitter. Those types of places are *their* safe place to vent. Check out a ex-smokers community. The things they say about smokers would curl your hair if they said it about you. Try some of the disability support communities - the ones really run by the disabled, not some dogooder to "help" them.

BTW, "twid" needs to find itself a passive-aggressive asshole support community.

(Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2005-08-15 08:09 am UTC (link)

To me, not having children is a kind of neutral state. Some folks want them but don't have them, some folks have them and don't want them. Some people choose to have them and some don't.

True enough, but is there an LJ community for people who have kids and don't want them, is there an "I wish I had kids" club, or are those people dynamic enough to have a life outside of their opinion about whether or not to have children.

If you don't want children don't have them -- from there you can go on with the REST of your life instead of spending your life in your mom's basement talking about children all day.

Anything reasonable people want to exclude from their life becomes excluded from their life (you know, they don't have to devote their lives to what they've chosen not to devote their lives to...)

Really, it's ok, you can not have kids. The real question is: Why are you so threatened by children and people who have them?

How hard is it to just no have any kids? Is it all just a cry for help? Do you need fixed? I'll call the furry vet.

I'm not threatened by crazy obsessive people....we just dun it for the lulz anyway...

(Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2004-12-28 08:25 am UTC (link)

Try this:

1. Perhaps these people know that kids in their family are hellions? I've seen enough stories there about kids who acted like greedy assholes and who broke or stole other peoples' gifts to last me a lifetime. I mean, how dare anyone expect a person to teach their kid to act like a human being and for the kid to catch on?

2. Obviously you don't read. The problem is not children in church, but children being loud in church and their parents either not having taught them to be quiet, not removing them when they are loud, or both.

3. Heaven help us we should have OPINIONS. You forget that these bad parents send their kids out into the world for everyone else to deal with, don't you?

4. In this story, the children were creating quite a ruckus and then pinched the poster. I don't know about you, but I get pretty pissed when someone hurts me for no reason, regardless of their age.

5. Yes, people talk about stupid eBay auctions. Wedding dress guy, anyone?

6. Wow, people rant about things? REALLY???? How dare they?

7. Hm. Playing with light switches is annoying. It's in bad taste to do so, especially if you're old enough to know better. To refuse to stop when told to is downright rude. Not punishing your child when they don't listen is ridiculous. Seeing this as negative is bad WHY?

8. Again, the problem is not the presence of children. It is the commotion they cause, because there parents didn't teach them how to act in public and doesn't remove them when they act badly. See # 2.

9. See # 1.

10. What has this to do with anything?

So, you hate the community. Then don't read it. Hey, problem solved! Imagine that. Goes a hell of a lot farther than taking a couple of sentences from an LJ community out of context and creating a whole website around it (which, now that someone has mentioned it--hell, it could be libel of a sort).

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2005-08-15 08:19 am UTC (link)

Goes a hell of a lot farther than taking a couple of sentences from an LJ community out of context and creating a whole website around it (which, now that someone has mentioned it--hell, it could be libel of a sort).

LOL

Libel? Libel against an entire philosophy? Libel is the act of defaming someone's character by telling a lie about them in published writing, yet no one specific was called out, are you saying that someone committed libel against ALL Childfree LGayers? Besides libel only applies to claims about you in real life not your BS internet personality anyway. No one cares if you feel defamed because someone showed you what you look like online.

By the way, where is the entire website devoted to defaming CHILDREEks anyway? Are you calling one page on ED a website unto itself or are you implying that ED is devoted solely to child-haters? Seems a bit like you're a bit narcisistic in addition to being a passive-aggressive, hypocritical, crybaby...Or were you judging people wrongly and taking things out of context? I thought that was the beef you had with ED in the first place...does that make you the pot or the kettle?

(Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2005-08-15 08:25 am UTC (link)

Perhaps these people know that kids in their family are hellions? I've seen enough stories there about kids who acted like greedy assholes and who broke or stole other peoples' gifts to last me a lifetime. I mean, how dare anyone expect a person to teach their kid to act like a human being and for the kid to catch on?

So now you're an expert on parenting too?

The problem is not children in church, but children being loud in church and their parents either not having taught them to be quiet, not removing them when they are loud, or both.

The fact is there are screaming children in all churches all the time and the preacher don't mind, the deacons don't mind, the choir don't mind, the old folks don't mind (after all they've had children and understand what parenting is about (ahem)), but some twit is going to bitch about how stupid they all and spew hate all over the place only to put their furry tails between their legs and cry vitcim if someone calls them on it.

ED is funny, if you have a sense of humor.

(Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2005-08-15 08:59 am UTC (link)

2. Obviously you don't read. The problem is not children in church, but children being loud in church and their parents either not having taught them to be quiet, not removing them when they are loud, or both.

I can read. I read in the bible that God himself said to "Be fruitful and multiply" after he created people. Presumably if you were sitting in church you believe God is real. Now, hypothetically, if God is in fact real, then it is a fact that you and me and EVERYONE should devote our entire lives to him for fear of eternal damnation -- any atheist will agree with this as well (within the confines of a "God is a fact" hypothetical situation).

So there you were sitting in church, living a lie and being a hypocrite (either by pretending to believe in God and not REALLY believing, or else by attending a worship service with no intention of worship) either way I don't see how your position is remotely defensible.

Speaking of literacy, I believe Jesus said "...whatever you did to the least of these, you did to Me" - the "Least of these" means the smallest of the children (of course by that, Jesus means all children without exceptions) - So if you're in church to imply you're a Christian, you should probably keep in mind that harboring bad thoughts about the children in your church is the SAME as harboring bad thoughts about Jesus according to God.

It should also be noted that when Jesus said that it was in response to a crowd holding back loud playing children expressing themselves freely at a worship service. When the congregation tried to hush them Jesus admonished them for it.

I make to claims to being a Christian myself, but I find it humorous that I know more about church than the church-goer complaining about it. And I know that someone in church bitching about loud kids is a hellbound sinner according to THEIR OWN GOD!

Now that's piles of lulz

--Curien1000

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-08-15 09:01 am UTC (link)
	oops I meant "no claims" Curien1000 (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2005-08-16 12:53 am UTC (link)

I read in the bible that God himself said to "Be fruitful and multiply" after he created people.

Fascinating ... especially considering that you have the context wrong. That was an admonition to the sons of Noah after the flood.

I think we can stop now, don't you? Especially considering that Malthus was *right* and the only reason the planet isn't completely dead is that we have factory farming.

(Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2005-08-15 09:15 am UTC (link)

3. Heaven help us we should have OPINIONS. You forget that these bad parents send their kids out into the world for everyone else to deal with, don't you?

Why should you have an opinion on parenting apart from your opinion that you don't want kids. Who are you to define bad parents? By definition as a CF you are, by definition, lacking in any parental expertise and therefore NOT entitle to your opinion about how other people should raise their kids.

You want to have your cake and eat it to, you want it both ways, pick a cliche.

Look, you want to have your own opinion, but this all stemmed from you coming over to ED and bitching about theirs. You don't want to be criticized for your choice not to have children, but you spend all your free time criticizing how other people raise theirs.

Its especially cute how you expect children to go shopping all day with their parents without making any noise or playing. What was your childhood like? Is this seriously how you were? You never spoke and didn't mind being bored and silent for hours on end even with the attention span of the average child (bad parents or good)? You can't possibly judge someone's parenting skills based on whether or not their children sometimes act out in public -- ALL CHILDREN DO and all parents know that. You did it too, I don't have to know you now to know that it's a matter of fact. Experts have agreed on that since at least a hundred years ago, silly. Do you consider yourself an expert parent?

CFs are FTLCs

(Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-04-23 02:56 am UTC (link)
	Because if you don't have children, I have noone for slave labor. Now start poppin' out the babies, bitch! (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2005-01-08 11:14 am UTC (link)

haha. Have you noticed that every other article on ED is unfairly demeaning, belittling and derogatory, and that this is, in fact, the point of Encyclopedia Dramatica?

Those who take any article on ED can be fairly dismissed as morons, yourself included.

I found it funny and I like child free people. (And I AM one, too, having Teh Gay and all.)

-33mhz (http://www.livejournal.com/users/33mhz/)

(Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-05-18 06:07 pm UTC (link)
	HAHA UR TEH GAY (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2005-09-27 04:22 pm UTC (link)

The thing that I don't understand about childfree is how they seem to go out of their way to go places where there are kids, ie the infamous Harry Potter girl. Who the hell did she think was going to be at a children's book party? The other thing I can't figure out is how these people find the most obnoxious children on the planet time after time. I go to the grocery store. I go out to eat. I even go to the movies. But shockingly enough, I have never been attacked by a demon child out to ruin my experience. No kid has ever run up to me in a public place and kicked/pinched/physically assaulted me. Maybe kids are hateful to them because they are hateful to kids? That couldn't possibly be it.

It also couldn't possibly be that they are determined to blow every possible incident as far out of proportion as possible so that they can talk about it on LJ and martyr themselves to the god of whiny bitches.

Gryph

(Reply to this)