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	mistressrenet 2004-12-31 04:10 am UTC (link)
	More proof that people will wank about anything. (Reply to this)

	visp 2004-12-31 05:29 am UTC (link)
	These are the times I am most tempted to drag out the "Well that's how Darwinism works" comments. (Reply to this)

	cmikhailovic 2004-12-31 05:29 am UTC (link)
	Speaking as a Real Pagan (tm), this wank is truly deeeelicious, not to say fattening. (Reply to this)

virago
2004-12-31 06:20 am UTC (link)

You Can't Understand My Deep PAIN. And pro-ana is REALLY GOOD. And it's a good thing. And it's good. And they help people get into rehab, which would be the absolute opposite of a pro-disorder community. And apparently, I am beaming most of this message in from Backwards Land. Whee!

And your opinion doesn't count because you didn't have an eating disorder long enough. I am not making this up.

Followed up by "getting people help is attacking them, which is bad, so you should tell them to go even further into their disease. Because that's good. Because it's what they want, and you should always listen to the wants of a person struggling with a self-destructive illness. Especially when they'll destroy themselves more!!" Not making this up either.

I want to yell "PLEASE, get about the business of killing yourselves! I can't take this onslaught of Stupid!" - but I know they're sick, and I know they need medical/psychiatric help. It's just so fucking frustrating when they're proud of their disease. You don't get this with physical diseases. People are idiots.

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	annabelle_lee 2004-12-31 06:42 am UTC (link)
	Yes, they are. I've got my own issues, but I don't whip 'em out like I'm searching for validation that I am/am not fucked up. (and hey, I'll be the first one to tell anybody that I need a nice stay in the psych ward sometimes.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	coyote 2004-12-31 05:48 pm UTC (link)
	Everyone needs a nice stay in the psych ward sometimes. It's quite refreshing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pyratejenni 2004-12-31 06:13 pm UTC (link)
	Yes. Yes, it is. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	annabelle_lee 2004-12-31 11:53 pm UTC (link)
	And frightening as well. Nothing like fear to motivate you into overcoming your problems in a quick fashion. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaimonkey 2004-12-31 07:14 am UTC (link)
	d00d, maewitch is smart. We need more of her. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2005-01-01 05:12 pm UTC (link)
	Quite true. (Reply to this)(Parent)

dodyskin
2004-12-31 11:26 am UTC (link)

If you don't have an eating disorder, you don't understand. You can't begin to understand the loneliness or isolation, nor can you understand the importance of these communities.

Goodness no. Nobody has the ability to empathise with or relate to another person unless they have had exactly the same life. This is why we humans have no society, or language.

For fuck's sake.

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	virago 2005-01-01 05:17 pm UTC (link)
	Welllll, aheh... I did say recently that I refuse to say "I know exactly how you feel" to anyone unless I've been in their situation... but I don't think it's necessarily a case of empathy in this case. The feelings/thoughts being advanced here aren't healthy; we shouldn't, really, be adopting them as our own. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

dodyskin
2005-01-01 08:11 pm UTC (link)

Indeed.

I am just really annoyed by that whole concept, to be honest. Even if we, for example, had experienced something similar in name, fundamentally the experience would not be the same because we are different people. Things that I find really hard may seem foolish to you; things that you find challenging may barely register with me. I don't know how anyone else feels. They can only tell me.

And because I am annoyed by the refrain: You can't understand because you haven't been through it, I tend to respond with: You have no concept of what I can understand because you are not me.

But that is just bickering and not helpful.

/wank

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	annabelle_lee 2004-12-31 06:38 am UTC (link)
	[shakes head] The fuck?! Someone's got an agenda on their hands, it seems. I'm not touching that... (Reply to this)

	chaimonkey 2004-12-31 07:10 am UTC (link)
	glamwhorebunniGreat. So, who's up for mocking those filthy jews? G-d forbid a jew_ana, I'd burst! "Mom won't stop pinching my cheeks and telling me I need to eat more! Why does she have to call me butterball? She makes me feel so fat!" "85 pounds! omg alevai!" (Reply to this)(Thread)

	phosfate 2004-12-31 07:33 pm UTC (link)
	It'd maybe be a mitzvah if you could give me some tips on purging? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vassilissa 2005-01-01 01:11 pm UTC (link)
	snort You are Leslea Newmann, and I claim my five ~~pounds~~ er, dollars. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaimonkey 2005-01-01 08:43 pm UTC (link)
	Funny thing is, I'm a total WASP. Yey! (Reply to this)(Parent)

gal_montag
2004-12-31 07:18 am UTC (link)

?? People are defending this, and using all sorts of religious wisdom to justify why it's okay for these girls to starve themselves to death. (Although I can't remove the bone in my head that pings when I see people doing things that I *know* are stupid and I just boggle all over the place)

But randomly, doesn't that three fold rule apply to self harm? I know that not all pagans believe that, but... I dunno. Something my psudo!junkie sister never grasped and she believed in the three fold rule *and* that it applied to self harm. I guess self destrucitive people are just self destructive. Charles Darwin at work.

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	atalantapendrag 2004-12-31 09:40 am UTC (link)
	The three-fold rule applying to self harm? I think you've discovered perpetual motion. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gal_montag 2004-12-31 10:03 am UTC (link)
	Well, that's kinda what I was thinking, like, basically by the time your God/Goddess was done with you, you'd be so much hamburger meat. So maybe it doesn't make sense, but sometimes I'd really like it to. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dodyskin 2004-12-31 11:01 am UTC (link)
	To be fair though, not one of theose anorexics is in any danger of starving to death. Most of them are heavier (and shorter) than I am and I am of normal weight. I went to school with some anas, a hospital school, and they weren't like these girls. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dodyskin 2004-12-31 11:08 am UTC (link)
	Oh, er, there are a couple of thin thin girls further back, skip=60 or so. I retract my statement. 60 pounds is about-to-die thin. Many of them have perfectly reasonable goal weights, though: 130 pounds etc. I don't understand how they can be not reaching it if they are starving themselves. Hm. Weird. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sidewinder
2004-12-31 02:38 pm UTC (link)

I don't understand how they can be not reaching it if they are starving themselves.

Because continually eating significantly less than your body needs can slow down and fuck up your metabolism majorly. 'Tis why starvation/extremely-low calorie dieting never works long term...your body just adapts and clings to whatever nutrients you do give it and hoards 'em.

Now, that's not to say if you're living on Crystal Light and celery sticks alone, you're not going to become a walking skeleton soon enough...but folks eating less than 1000 calories a day, say, for extended periods of time, are only going to long-term fuck up their chances of losing weight in a healthy way.

Least, that's my understanding of things...

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dodyskin
2004-12-31 02:48 pm UTC (link)

Oh yeah, famine-mech. D'oh. I suppose if you're eating bits and bobs that would work. And cut down on the explosive mucal diarrhea (sp?), which can be a bit of a drag.

I happened upon some ana communities a while back. I was pretty horrified, I have to admit, but I am confused by the connection between a behavioural disorder and a religion: as in, why one cannot be both non-onaist and have some sort of body-dysmorphia issue.

Meh, this whole thing makes no sense to me. But me likey that maewitch woman.

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	erototoxin 2005-01-01 10:39 am UTC (link)
	Oh god, I just read that as "musical diarrhea" and thought, well, at least that'd have some entertainment value... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2004-12-31 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	It's a weird commuinty. This community is PRO ED, This community is not intended as a site to promote eating disorders or encourage them. and Nothing tastes as good as THIN feels are all on the unserinfo. Contradict yourself much? And heavy or not, it seems like it's super hip to be able to find yourself in the DSM... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

dodyskin
2004-12-31 06:56 pm UTC (link)

It's very strange, isn't it? But not altogether surprising--mental illness/behavioural disorders affect a large proportion of people at some point in their lives. I don't know the statistics+citation and I refuse to make one up.

I am mentally ill myself, and I make no bones about it, but it's not my favourite part about myself by a long way. But then, I've never suffered from depression and have normal self-harm behaviours (hair pulling, nail biting, scab-picking). But you can't find me in the DSM. Because I am teh speshul! ::dances::

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	gal_montag 2005-01-02 07:12 am UTC (link)
	So does that make you the ultra trendy? Because I might have to make up a mental illness of my own so I can be cool too. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2004-12-31 07:38 pm UTC (link)
	Nothing tastes as good as THIN feels Except that pizza with the goat cheese. And cherry lime rickeys. And frozen custard. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	thewashinator 2005-01-01 06:16 pm UTC (link)
	That's what I say. I'm on a medically supervised diet, and I've lost a goodly amount of weight, but thin isn't nearly as satisfying as penne alla vodka with a big basket of garlic bread. There are many days when I look at my high protein sugar free soy-based "chocolate" shake product and sigh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2005-01-01 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	And the spicy beef bowl at Cafe Mami. And deep-dish pesto pizza. And mozzarella sticks with marinara sauce. Mmm, mozzarella sticks. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lurker32 2005-01-02 06:57 pm UTC (link)
	Damn it, now I'm hungry. Thin feels fucking cold, actually. puts on another sweater and goes in search of pizza (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2005-01-02 08:27 pm UTC (link)
	Word. And uncomfortable to sit down. fetches cushion (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	lurker32 2005-01-03 04:41 am UTC (link)
	That too. When your pelvic bone pokes holes in your butt, it's time to hit the fried chicken already. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	teratologist 2005-01-02 06:37 am UTC (link)
	Honestly, best I can recall, thin doesn't feel all that great. Even the cheese sticks at my college dining hall tasted better. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2005-01-02 07:14 am UTC (link)
	drools I'll have a piece of french silk pie to that. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mistressrenet 2005-01-01 07:07 pm UTC (link)
	Well, they may not starve to death, but if they're not getting the nutrients they need bad, bad stuff can happen to them. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	squib 2004-12-31 10:52 am UTC (link)
	Nonfluffypagans is the wank that keeps on giving lately. What comes of worshipping the Drama Llama. :) (Reply to this)

	vassilissa 2005-01-01 01:16 pm UTC (link)
	They list incense twice in their interests list, and misspell it both times. I am petty. (Reply to this)