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	ladysorka 2005-01-05 11:37 pm UTC (link)
	Well, personally I don't think anyone should be wearing bright orange suits. Or bright pink, purple, blue, green, or, um, anything but black, really. Maybe grey. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kadath 2005-01-06 12:21 am UTC (link)
	I support your point of view and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	big_bad_wolf 2005-01-06 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	Concur. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	moonjaguar 2005-01-07 03:31 am UTC (link)
	Outside of a DOC facility, that is. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2005-01-05 11:44 pm UTC (link)
	Anyone over a size 4 is "bigger?" WTF? As for the color orange, I think whether someone looks good in it has more to do with their coloring than their weight. But perhaps that's just me. (Reply to this)(Thread)

hinata
2005-01-06 12:16 am UTC (link)

Yeah, I was boggling over that one myself. I'm chubby, but a good friend of mine has the whole flat-stomach/in perfect shape thing going for her. Almost no body fat. She's a size ten. Stupid bone structure and curves. Classifying if someone is fat or not dependant on their clothes size is flawed. I have friends who, wearing disgustingly small sizes like zero, would possibly be called chubby were they size fours. Can't win, man.

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	smo 2005-01-06 06:18 am UTC (link)
	Word. Also, muscle weighs more than fat, so someone could be in absolutely perfect shape and still weigh more than this idiot thinks they should. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	julia 2005-01-07 03:44 am UTC (link)
	Definately. Weight-lifters want bulk. You don't hear of amazing light or welterweight lifts, you hear about the heavyweights. Hell, I'd adore reaching 80kg one of these days, but it's taking all of my power to hover at 60. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	shatfat 2005-01-07 03:47 am UTC (link)
	Word. That's insane. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	greenglass 2005-01-05 11:45 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think anyone should bright orange anything. They might get mistaken for a road cone. That also brings up scaring memories of a girl I knew who wore road cone neon orange thongs everyday to a play we were in. Of course, she was usually right in front of me. So I, like nearly everyone else, couldn't help but notice the neon orange on her ass. /painful memories. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	bubosquared 2005-01-06 12:56 pm UTC (link)
	I think organge should be banned altogether, unless it's a subtle detail or something. (Some genius who lived in my flat before I did decided it was a good idea to put up bright orange curtains in the bedroom. They look like they've been there since the seventies. And yet I wonder why I'm suffering bouts of insomnia?) (Reply to this)(Parent)

meshou
2005-01-06 12:37 am UTC (link)

Urf. I remember being size 18, and the only thing I could find was neon yellow/ orange/ blue, leopard's prints, and stuff based off the "second hand muumuu" philosophy.

Now all I have to deal with is that regular pants are four inches too long, and petites are two inches short. And I can vary as many as six sizes based on the company or fit type of the jeans.

Why can't we have pants in waist/ inseam measurements like the other half of the civilized world? I might find a pair that actually fit.

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	puipui 2005-01-06 12:47 am UTC (link)
	I remember being size 18, and the only thing I could find was neon yellow/ orange/ blue, leopard's prints, and stuff based off the "second hand muumuu" philosophy. The flowers! MY GOD THE FLOWERS! sobs (Reply to this)(Parent)

	nekoneko 2005-01-06 05:43 am UTC (link)
	Why can't we have pants in waist/ inseam measurements like the other half of the civilized world? And that would be why I shop in the men's section. And because I have no hips. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2005-01-06 06:53 am UTC (link)
	Me too and me too. Huzzah for men's slim-fit 30x28s! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nekoneko 2005-01-06 06:59 am UTC (link)
	Damn you. You're smaller than me. >.> I'm 32x34. (Goddamn that college food. Must lose weight... must get back to 30, at least.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2005-01-06 07:12 am UTC (link)
	FWIW, my dad is in denial about the fact that he needs to buy trousers with a 33-inch waist now. Also, 32 isn't exactly ginormous - in fact, it sounds about normal to me. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

nekoneko
2005-01-06 05:39 pm UTC (link)

I was a 27 x 32 for, like ever... until about last year or so, so 32 seems huge to me. Supposedly because I'm not taking as much medication now as I was, I now have an appetite (aka I want to eat everything in the house) and I've gained weight. My parents say I look better. I don't trust them.

And it doesn't help that my dad keeps teasing me about it, since he wears 34x34 right now. Bah.

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	smo 2005-01-06 09:47 pm UTC (link)
	Truthfully, I don't think there's any set weight or measurement cutoff to indicate being overweight. It depends on so many other factors: bone structure, height, genetics, muscle mass, etc. IOW, the BMI is BS. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	annabelle_lee 2005-01-06 08:41 am UTC (link)
	I always feel awkward about buying men's clothes. I love the shirts, but it feels almost naughty to buy the pants, so I don't. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nekoneko 2005-01-06 05:41 pm UTC (link)
	But there's nothing wrong with guy's pants. And they have actual deep pockets! That's the one thing that always pisses me off about girl's pants, the pockets are either: 1) fake (why would someone sew on fake pockets, anyway?) or 2) not deep enough to actually hold something other than, oh... a few pennies. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2005-01-07 01:15 am UTC (link)
	I think it's the influence of my mother. She was always going "OMG U'R NOT A GUY. IM NOT BUYING YOU THOSE" when I went into the Men's section to look at pants. It's really intimidating and I don't think that thinking has ever gone away. [sighs] (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	shatfat 2005-01-07 03:50 am UTC (link)
	Take back your power! March into the men's dept! Buy pants that have real pockets, practical and durable! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2005-01-07 04:07 am UTC (link)
	I should, but I'm broke. Damn you, soulsucking Christmas capitalism! DAMN YOOOOOU! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	darkwitch666 2005-01-06 06:29 pm UTC (link)
	Dunno if they've gotten "cooler" since the last time I ordered from them, but Lands End hems trousers for you, so even if your waist size means they're eight inches too long, they'll take them up or whatever it is those sewing people call it. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	psychofangirl 2005-01-06 06:10 am UTC (link)
	I must be missing something because even if I'm a fattie, I've never had a problem finding clothes. Not really. Then again, I don't shop much for clothes. Never have. shrugs (Reply to this)

	blackjackrocket 2005-01-06 06:30 am UTC (link)
	A bright orange suit?! DAMN, my only Giovanni icon has him in beach wear! (Reply to this)

	beccastareyes 2005-01-06 07:03 am UTC (link)
	Don't midn me, I'm just boggling that somehow the OP thinks that if only ugly clothing was available in plus sizes, this will motivate people to loose weight, as if the existing societal (and not to mention health) pressures weren't enough. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	bubosquared 2005-01-06 12:53 pm UTC (link)
	I think it's dragoness who said that, not the OP. The funny thing about all this is that I used to know dragoness, and this is one of the less infuriating things she's said. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	darkwitch666 2005-01-06 06:30 pm UTC (link)
	... boggles God, I need LJ!friends like that. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bubosquared 2005-01-07 11:18 am UTC (link)
	Oh trust me, you so don't. To be fair, it was her then-boyfriend (don't know if they're still together) who really infuriated me. Never try to tell the child of two social workers that there's no such thing as generational poverty. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	psychofangirl 2005-01-06 07:31 pm UTC (link)
	It certainly hasn't motivated me to lose weight. Then again, I've never purchased bright colored clothes. I prefer black and darker colors. shrugs (Reply to this)(Parent)

	funwithrage 2005-01-06 03:13 pm UTC (link)
	So, fat people...should just be naked all the time? 'Cause I'm thinking of some guys I've seen at bus stops and not finding this a great idea. And word on the idea that nobody should ever wear a bright orange suit. Certainly nobody with anything close to Caucasian skin tones. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kadath 2005-01-06 03:27 pm UTC (link)
	I think the goal is that anyone larger than a size 10 (maybe a size 8; I don't know where the "fat" cutoff falls) should have to wear ugly floral-print muumuus and shapeless knit pants in garish colors, to shame them into not being fatties anymore. After all, if they had any willpower, they would all be small-framed and willowy. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaimonkey 2005-01-07 07:08 am UTC (link)
	Wow! This one girl at my school is now totally in vogue! boggles (Reply to this)(Parent)

tourette
2005-01-06 03:29 pm UTC (link)

As other people have said, people who don't look good in bright orange shouldn't wear a bright orange suit. Which is more to do with skin tone and hair colour than weight - indeed, a fat person of the right colouring could do it very nicely. Of course, orange is a difficult colour to wear (perhaps not so much as pink or yellow or even red, but still quite tricky) and probably looks better as acessories on most people.

And is a US size four not roughly equivalent to a UK size eight? That's tiny. I'm a size fourteen (about a US size ten, I think) and I'm no fatty. I'm a good, decent size and the fact that I can't wear any colour too strong or precise has more to do with the fact that I'm blotchy and pale than my figure.

Also, if they don't make clothes in big-people sizes, fat people will have to go naked, and I don't imagine they'd enjoy that - especially in the winter.

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	kadath 2005-01-06 03:53 pm UTC (link)
	Google says UK sizes are two sizes up from US sizes. So you're a US size 12 (generally; women's clothing sizing is all kinds of screwed up), which is TOTALLY NOT FAT, but is about the largest you'll find easily on the rack--and that's only at the boring, unfashionable type of stores I shop at. I imagine 12s are scarcer anywhere trendy. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	big_bad_wolf 2005-01-06 05:33 pm UTC (link)
	According to the label on the inside of my coat, 14 is a US 10. But either way, it's still SILLY. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ahiru
2005-01-06 03:56 pm UTC (link)

I think they need to stop making kid's clothes too. It makes people think that it's okay to be a child. And they need to stop making pants in short or long sizes, because then people with think it's all right to be short or tall instead of good ol' regular like the rest of the population. The clothing industry is destroying the morals of this country with its insidious sizing charts!

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	kadath 2005-01-06 04:01 pm UTC (link)
	As a vertically-gifted American, I resent your oppression! (And I won't get you anything off high shelves, either, if you don't stop being such a meanie-pants.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

ahiru
2005-01-06 04:09 pm UTC (link)

But you must learn to see the light! I'll admit, I have fallen to the temptations of the clothing industry. I used to be a good citizen in regular jeans, and then one awful day I saw that pair on the rack mrked "short" and lo, I fell into shortness (the type of shortness that has to occasionally shorten ankle jeans and would desperately like a pair of capris that actually look like capris on me pretty pretty please). But I repent my shortness! The jeans made me do it!

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	darkwitch666 2005-01-06 06:26 pm UTC (link)
	looks guilty wipes up after self and goes to sit in the corner (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kadath 2005-01-06 06:33 pm UTC (link)
	Bad JournalFen-er! If you disturb the wankers in their natural habitat, their wank patterns will be disrupted, leading to nasty repercussions for the spooge supply over all of LJ, maybe even the entire Internet! slaps wrist (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	darkwitch666 2005-01-06 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	ow! And I was trying so hard to be like Jane Goodall and fit into the natural habitat, carefully making no reference to J_F and avoiding exposure by remaining in the comm journal! Foiled again! tries to fix the rip in the splooge/space continuum with bubble gum and a toothpick (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sarajayechan 2005-01-06 08:22 pm UTC (link)
	points and laughs waits for someone to accuse her of buying into society's mean message that it's okay to laugh at fucktards...wait, it already IS okay to laugh at fucktards, right? (Reply to this)