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Queen Bead ([info]queenbead) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2005-01-10 00:49:00


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Current mood:E-V-O-L

it's all fun and games until someone calls in LJ abuse
In one corner we've got everyone's favorite fen [info]ginmar in the other corner we have the user [info]cheshyre.

Ever since [info]ginmar posted a rant on female libido enhancing drugs (post was initially public, but was locked down due to much outcry (if anyone is able to find a cached copy/screen cap, feel free to post a link. I'm hopeless at that particular skill. Search around early december last year)), these two have not been on best of terms.

Arguing erupted (here and here) and eventually descended into the depths of accusations of plagiarism and purposely misunderstanding and misquoting text.

Things seemed to simmer down, until recently when the good ol' LJ abuse team was brought in and massive confusion arises over what exactly is fair use, copy right violations, and what exactly does the DCMA has to do with anything.

To add to the melee, it seems someone created a verbatim copy of [info]cheshyre's journal in an attempt to make a point. Another LJ user makes an interesting observation on IP addresses and one of [info]ginmar's most vocal supporters.

For all the full jugular biting action, just visit ginmar's and cheshyre's journals.

Just remember to wear a smock, because like a gallagher joke, everyone's getting messy.

~QB

note: post edited to clarify a sentence

edited to add: a good roundup of the whole proceedings provided by [info]oulangi.

edited: dammit, [info]ginmar has gone and either f-locked all her recent posts or has bahleeted them. Sorry guys!

(p.s. when I went to edit this, why did it give me the option of editing a post that wasn't mine?)



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[info]rachelmap
2005-01-10 08:47 am UTC (link)
I knew this would make it here eventually. Doesn't it strike anybody that both of these people are the sorts who'd rather be right than happy?

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[info]mcity
2006-01-02 06:53 pm UTC (link)
Like, oh, humanity?

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[info]sepiamagpie
2005-01-10 09:53 am UTC (link)
hey, someone fill me in about the libido drugs and why there was outcry, would ya?

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[info]mpoetess
2005-01-10 10:03 am UTC (link)
The article that started it all was basically about the drugs (a treatment for female sexual dysfunction) being turned down by the FDA because there wasn't enough research on safety or side-effects, etc.

[info]ginmar was ranting about their existence in the first place, or rather the way she expected them to be marketed-- that she thought they'd be used/marketed as a cure-all by men, in order to get an easy fix when their woman wasn't interested in having sex with them, instead of addressing social and psychological issues.

Her point in general was a good one -- that it's likely that the drug companies and such don't necessarily have women's best interests at heart -- but as usual with [info]ginmar, it was mixed with a lot of stuff that set people off because of its ranty and dismissive tone. Some people -- including [info]cheshyre, who suffers from FSD -- thought that [info]ginmar's post wrote off the fact that there really are women with physical problems who might be helped by such drugs, and they felt as if she'd implied that such physical problems were all in their heads.

The wank wanked on, and on, and on, from there.

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[info]sepiamagpie
2005-01-10 10:07 am UTC (link)
Ahh. Thanks for the summary. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle.

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(no subject) - [info]adinaj69, 2005-01-10 12:14 pm UTC

[info]smo
2005-01-10 02:49 pm UTC (link)
they felt as if she'd implied that such physical problems were all in their heads.

Which, ironically, is the same kind of chauvinistic argument that would have been used to dismiss FSD back in the day.

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(no subject) - [info]mpoetess, 2005-01-10 03:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 03:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-01-10 05:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 06:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loki, 2005-01-10 06:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 06:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2005-01-10 06:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loki, 2005-01-10 06:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2005-01-10 06:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 06:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-01-11 02:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-01-10 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2005-01-10 09:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-01-10 10:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-01-11 12:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-01-11 01:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ashenmote, 2005-01-11 03:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-01-11 02:51 pm UTC

[info]queenbead
2005-01-10 05:16 pm UTC (link)
thanks for that! you summed it up much better than I could have, especially since I only saw the post through cheshyre's reprinting.

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(no subject) - [info]mpoetess, 2005-01-10 05:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]queenbead, 2005-01-10 05:29 pm UTC

[info]oulangi
2005-01-10 10:53 am UTC (link)
There's a really good round up here with excellent linkage:
http://www.livejournal.com/users/elke_tanzer/553976.html

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2005-01-10 11:06 am UTC (link)
God, [info]ginmar never fails to be a wanker, does she? She's like a walking wank.

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[info]oulangi
2005-01-10 11:14 am UTC (link)
Eh I like her, but I've kind of been intentionally ignoring this. There's too many hypnotic rainbow shades of stupid exploding here. I know if I stop and watch I'll be caught in its thrall.

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(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2005-01-10 11:19 am UTC
But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]oulangi, 2005-01-10 11:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2005-01-10 11:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oulangi, 2005-01-10 11:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-01-10 02:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 03:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]oulangi, 2005-01-10 11:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2005-01-11 01:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oulangi, 2005-01-11 01:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2005-01-11 02:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-01-11 12:41 am UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]darkrose, 2005-01-10 02:13 pm UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]dreamtoday, 2005-01-10 02:36 pm UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]notjo, 2005-01-10 04:28 pm UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]smo, 2005-01-10 02:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-10 03:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-01-10 03:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-10 03:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-01-10 03:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - kroki_refur, 2005-01-10 04:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-10 04:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2005-01-10 04:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-10 05:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]blue_linnet, 2005-01-10 05:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2005-01-10 09:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-01-10 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kyuuketsukirui, 2005-01-11 01:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bishounenhuntrs, 2005-01-11 07:49 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]erototoxin, 2005-01-11 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2005-01-11 11:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-01-10 05:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-01-10 05:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-10 05:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-01-10 06:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tekenduis, 2005-01-10 06:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-01-10 06:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tekenduis, 2005-01-10 07:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 06:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-01-10 06:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 06:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elfy, 2005-01-11 06:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-10 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 07:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-10 08:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-01-10 11:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-01-11 06:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]senor_pinata, 2005-01-10 10:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 06:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]megmurry, 2005-01-10 06:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]atalantapendrag, 2005-01-10 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaina, 2005-01-10 08:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosalita, 2005-01-11 01:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mastervex, 2005-01-10 08:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2005-01-10 11:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarracenia, 2005-01-11 12:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-11 12:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2005-01-11 08:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2005-01-11 07:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2005-01-11 09:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]livviebway, 2005-01-12 01:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ymfaery, 2005-01-12 01:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-12 07:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]julia, 2005-01-11 05:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladysorka, 2005-01-11 09:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rachelmap, 2005-01-11 10:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]necronomist, 2005-01-12 02:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2005-01-11 01:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-11 01:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-01-11 07:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-11 02:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-01-11 06:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kadath, 2005-01-11 06:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-01-11 02:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-01-10 04:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-01-10 04:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-01-10 05:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-01-10 06:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-01-10 06:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-01-11 12:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 06:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-01-10 10:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 10:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-01-10 10:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-01-11 12:38 am UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]oulangi, 2005-01-10 11:07 pm UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]darkrose, 2005-01-10 11:51 pm UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]oulangi, 2005-01-11 12:38 am UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]funwithrage, 2005-01-11 07:15 pm UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]necronomist, 2005-01-12 02:19 am UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]charmian, 2005-01-11 12:47 am UTC
Re: But then reading Cheshyre's journal raped my soul, man. - [info]oulangi, 2005-01-11 01:00 am UTC

[info]queenbead
2005-01-10 05:31 pm UTC (link)
thanks for the link, I'll put it into the initial post!

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Huh?
[info]ignatius
2005-01-11 07:58 am UTC (link)
And you know what? This whole thing is going to taint any future interactions I have with anyone who has Female Sexual Dysfunction, because I've used up just about all of my patience dealing with a situation which I feel is in large part caused by the behavior of one person who has it, and the people who jumped to her defense in uncivil and insulting ways... especially the people, on all sides of this huge damned mess, who called people bitches or cunts. I'm going to take one look at the fact that someone has FSD and think to myself, "Oh, you're one of them, I should run the fuck away now, because whatever else happens, this interaction is going to get huge and ugly and insulting."

Read that again, if you missed it. Ms. Tolerant-Of-Just-About-Everything-Except-Intolerance-and-Plagiarism Elke is now going to judgemental about a whole group of women she's never met, because of a huge kerfuffle that could have and should have been easily avoided. I didn't choose this, but given what I've seen and been in the middle of, off and on for the past month online, I am unable to avoid it.


Is she by any chance kidding?

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Re: Huh?
[info]pyratejenni
2005-01-11 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Kidding about what?

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Re: Huh? - [info]ignatius, 2005-01-12 06:28 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-01-12 06:53 am UTC
Re: Huh? - [info]cyn, 2005-01-12 08:13 am UTC
Re: Huh?
[info]electricchick
2005-01-12 01:01 am UTC (link)
So basically: "It's all your fault I'm going to become a prejudiced wanker! One day, I'll meet a woman on the street, and dislike her! The taint of that will be on your souls forever! I hope you're happy!"

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[info]khym_chanur
2005-01-10 11:34 am UTC (link)
...copy write violations...

At first I thought "Is this some form of memory protection fault I'm not aware of? Oh, you meant copy right".

</computer-geek-humor>

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[info]queenbead
2005-01-10 05:14 pm UTC (link)
*pbbbt* yeah, will correct it ;-)

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2005-01-10 12:37 pm UTC (link)
I think what everyone needs is a nice, relaxing vacation on a deserted island. For the rest of their lives.

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Somebody with an account?
(Anonymous)
2005-01-10 08:18 pm UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/weirdjews/864421.html?thread=13325221#t13325221

delicious zionist-wank.

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Re: Somebody with an account?
[info]necronomist
2005-01-12 02:36 am UTC (link)
This makes my head hurt.

Plus, you don't know how much I hate that 'Israel = Nazis' meme. I hate it when dumb Indymedia kids do it, and I hate it when settlers do it (Orange Star campaign, anyone?).

I'm going to suck as a Jewish person.

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[info]snacky
2005-01-10 08:52 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Both sides are wanking so hard, sooner or later, someone's gonna break it off.

Phew. That cheshyre and her husband were absolutely bound and determined to be personally insulted, weren't they?

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[info]charmian
2005-01-11 12:49 am UTC (link)
If this case does go to court, am I a bad person for hoping that the judge finds it a frivolous lawsuit and sentences everyone involved to stand by the highway with a sandwich board of shame or something?

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[info]mirabellawotr
2005-01-11 01:20 am UTC (link)
If it's wrong, I don't wanna be right. And I think [info]yonmei should be right there with them for willful failure to understand that there might possibly be a difference between spats over LJ posts and sexual assault.

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[info]kyuuketsukirui
2005-01-11 02:07 am UTC (link)
Bleh. I've had run-ins with her. She annoys me almost as much as [info]ginmar.

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(no subject) - [info]amand_r, 2005-01-11 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]charmian, 2005-01-11 09:08 pm UTC

[info]ingrid
2005-01-11 02:07 am UTC (link)
Yeah, calling some guy's disagreement of her not-from-this-Earth's logic "date rape thinking" -- and then *banning* him so he couldn't respond -- that took the metaphorical cake.

Everyone in this wank is being an idiot and willfully obtuse. There are feeble excuses for everything going on here from people who just want to wank their asses off.

Cheshyre needs to stop pretending she doesn't understand every little thing and must have a lawyer explain it all to her (yeah, right) and Ginmar need to stop repeating the same crack monkey spew ad nauseum.

And then they both need to be dropped down a deep well, never to touch a keyboard again.

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(Anonymous)
2005-01-12 12:09 am UTC (link)
I've come to the opinion that [info]yonmei is a purposeful provocateur. I don't know whether she just wants attention, is an agent or Eris, or has some other motive, but she is deliberately trying to keep the fight going and increase hurt feelings.

I would recommend *not* getting into discussions with her if you don't want your words twisted around.

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