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	iris 2003-10-03 10:46 pm UTC (link)
	Dude, Feenix. You have no clue how "WHOOOA!" I was when I saw Icy's being wanked on the top of my friends page here. That thread wasn't wanky last time I checked in... clicks Oh. Ghost. No wonder. (Reply to this)

	mynxkittie 2003-10-05 08:01 pm UTC (link)
	Haha. Actually I think the wankier part of Icy Brian's page is the fact that he has a "fanfic approval committee". (Reply to this)(Thread)

	virago 2003-10-06 06:15 am UTC (link)
	A page boiling down to "All fics from a title I don't like are exactly the same as horribly written porn and netspeak Mary Sues, no matter how they're written - they're the same, I don't care" is the point where my fuck-you alarm went off. That was oh, three years ago? Whaaaatever. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	quinctia 2003-10-06 10:23 pm UTC (link)
	He never said that, hon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2003-10-07 05:28 pm UTC (link)
	I distinctly recall a big page snarking about "Things Not to Send, Ever" with links to random FF.N stories, among them bad Mary Sues and the entire FF7 category. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-10-07 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	That would have been "Jerm's fanfic tips," which Brian removed after I complained about it. He never wrote it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2003-10-08 02:32 am UTC (link)
	Well, as I said, this was a while ago and I had no idea it would be taken down. And since it was the guideline page I didn't memorize who literally typed the words. I don't know these people, nor am I out for anyone's blood. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-10-08 02:33 am UTC (link)
	It wasn't the official guideline page. Sorry. If all people read that well, I hope that Brian doesn't get emails complaining about the pairings of my fics because, you know, they're on his site and all. And if it's on the fanfiction page, he must've handpicked it! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

virago
2003-10-08 04:56 pm UTC (link)

...I don't understand the logic of a page telling people what to send/not send that doesn't actually apply to the site it's on. But then, I'm used to one-person operations and not sites with boards of approval and such. Yeah, maybe I am illiterate, but "This list of guidelines doesn't apply to this page; we're not sure why it's here, really" didn't come across all that clearly.

Well then. It kept me from sending my horrible FF7 fic in there, so I guess it did have some positive effects after all. ;)

...I can read, thank you. :/ I'd never be good enough to get in on a juried site (only twice on RPGamer, woo-fucking-hoo), but I can at least read.

*slinks off to feel crappy*

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quinctia
2003-10-08 06:23 pm UTC (link)

The issue I seem to be having is that we're not even talking about the guidelines page of the site. It was never called the guidelines of the site. It was linked to as someone else's fanfic tips and every single one of them, including the piece that remains, were smartass tongue in cheek things. It's bad that you took it wrong, when I saw it I thought it was a terrible idea, but it still wasn't the guidelines.

And it's such a large site, with so many sections and contributers, if it had someone else's name at the top, you can't attribute to the webmaster. And you basically were calling him an asshole for something he didn't even freaking write.

I just don't understand how so many people can badmouth the site, considering it's not even that difficult to get a story accepted. They're just wusses who wouldn't try because there are SOME standards. And since I know your work, I'm pretty damn sure that unless this is like an eight year old story and you didn't learn grammar until fairly recently, that it would more than pass.

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virago
2003-10-08 08:33 pm UTC (link)

>>And it's such a large site, with so many sections and contributers, if it had someone else's name at the top, you can't attribute to the webmaster. And you basically were calling him an asshole for something he didn't even freaking write.>>

Iiiiii doooon't knooooooow hiiiiiiiiiim. I'm sorry I insulted your friend's website, but I don't know him, nor do I carry a grudge.

And I don't know, if you screen what comes onto your site so minutely, perhaps you should be held accountable in some fashion for what goes on there. *shrugs*

>>I just don't understand how so many people can badmouth the site, considering it's not even that difficult to get a story accepted. They're just wusses who wouldn't try because there are SOME standards. And since I know your work, I'm pretty damn sure that unless this is like an eight year old story and you didn't learn grammar until fairly recently, that it would more than pass.>>

Nnnno, I worked mostly in FFVII and all of my work sucked without exception.

And I'm "so many people"? Cool, maybe I can start my own personal army of minions. :D

My point was just that the snark was unnecessary in suggesting what to send into the site, and that it was unfair to lump all FF7 fic in with badfic without exception. That's all. If that makes me evil incarnate (and a one-person legion!), so be it.

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	Re: quinctia 2003-10-08 10:24 pm UTC (link)
	MY point is that it's not really screened minutely. And if you still think so... ARGH. And the snark still isn't the guidelines. Sorry. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2003-10-09 12:56 am UTC (link)
	I get that the snark wasn't the official word, but they did put it onto the website, so... I'd still consider it canon, so to speak. Anyway. shrug And if it's not OMG TEH EL1337 ONLEE, then what's with the Board of Directors? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-10-09 01:11 am UTC (link)
	Not sure what you're talking about, there. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

virago
2003-10-09 03:08 am UTC (link)

The board that has to approve every fic that comes down the pike.

I don't get where "Every fic is hand-picked by our crack team of fic experts" and "We are really easy to get into" meet.

(I also don't get where "every fic is hand-picked by our crack team of fic experts" and "whoops, how did that snarky thing get on there" meet, but I gave up on that part.)

It's not a bad thing to be highly selective, as long as it's owned up to.

...but I am sensing that I'm never going to get anywhere with this. I am not questioning your loyalty to the place. I yield. Will say nothing about it henceforth.

Sorry it had to go that way.

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quinctia
2003-10-09 03:21 am UTC (link)

Well I don't know where you picked up on the experts idea or the highly selective idea.

Fics are weeded to make sure the ones that get picked up have coherent grammar, actually have some canon following and characterization, and basically just don't make people's heads explode.

Considering in progress isn't a big deal and there aren't any basic length requirements, it's a lot easier to get posted there than, say RPGamer or Gameforms, or lots of other places.

The reason why it's more than one person is to make sure that it's fair and so Icy's head doesn't explode from the amount of stuff that comes in.

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virago
2003-10-09 01:52 pm UTC (link)

Uh, anyone can get onto RPGamer. Even I've been on RPGamer. I've emailed an author about their story on there asking about the ideas behind them, because I thought it was an interesting premise, and they're like, "lol d00d I dunno I just wrote it omg u need to not taek this so serius"

...so, yeah. They do publish some good stuff, but it's not like it's hard to get in. Hell, I won a freaking award there once; they clearly have NO idea what they're talking about.

I've never tried Gameforms (I thought their whole "shut down the site and change the URL for no apparent reason" bit was irritating), so I can't speak for that.

Anyway, I get the idea, best site in the whole universe and everyone is wonderful, daisies, candy hearts and rainbows, yadda yadda.

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	Re: quinctia 2003-10-09 04:08 pm UTC (link)
	How do you know it's hard to get in if you say you never tried? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	virago 2003-10-09 07:32 pm UTC (link)
	Uh, didn't we go through the whole "board of approval" part already? AGAIN. I GET THE IDEA. HAPPY FUN PLACE FULL OF SUNBEAMS AND BUNNY RABBITS. OKAY? YOU WIN. SUNBEAMS AND BUNNY RABBITS. I'm going home. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-10-09 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	Uh we went through were you dismissed the fact that RPGamer weeds fics because a) you got in and b) you wrote a writer and he was an idiot. Like I said, you have some bias that you can't explain. Fine. But it's your own issue. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iris 2003-10-06 06:50 pm UTC (link)
	Well, would you rather have an approval committee, or another Pit of Voles? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: mynxkittie 2003-10-06 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	I like vole pits! (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2003-10-09 02:50 am UTC (link)

I don't know how familiar any of you are with the IcyBrian archives, but I have a hell of a hard time respecting a place that hosts pathetic things like this (http://www.icybrian.com/fanfic/thechocobo.html) and this (http://www.icybrian.com/fanfic/sephchocobo1.html).

Of course, you're free to judge for yourself the merit of the above (and I use this term loosely) fics... ^___^

~muwaa

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	iris 2003-10-11 04:06 am UTC (link)
	I'd venture a guess that those were posted before the approval guidelines were set up; the site didn't always screen submissions. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2003-10-12 06:17 am UTC (link)
	I should hope so! ^__^ ~muwaa (Reply to this)(Parent)