electricchick
2005-01-15 10:55 pm UTC (link)

Initially I knew that the main focus on this post would be the use of "slang" language and/or spelling errors. Typically thats the way this system works. To beguile the initial point! So feel free to "pick" away at any typos.

I guess this guy likes to "put" quotes around "random" real words to make himself sound "educated".

Embarrassment should not be the goal of discipline. In the past, we hung people by the neck until they were dead for their wrong doings. However, today, just imagine what society would be like if people were still punished in that fashion. Many classrooms still use discipline systems in which fear of embarrassment is used to elicit performance from the students...

Uh... what does hanging have to do with embarassment? I'd always thought that people were afraid of being hung because of the whole death aspect, not because of the embarassment. I guess it's that Earth logic thing cropping up again...

I have so much love for Viktor.

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	kannaophelia 2005-01-15 11:11 pm UTC (link)
	It's the popped eyes, swollen tongue and, um, involuntarily swelling of other areas that afflict males being hanged. Poor corpses. There's nothing as humiliating as a public erection. Ask Michael Hutchence. He's very embarassed. On the other hand, I'm quite sympathetic to him, because schools are closed social worlds and it is actually quite likely he's in the right. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	beccastareyes 2005-01-15 11:31 pm UTC (link)
	Um... I don't know. Heck, if anything, I think that the fact that embarassment is decidedly less permanent than hanging is a point in its favor. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pokecheck 2005-01-16 02:00 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, it takes a lot more therapy to get over a hangin'. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	blue_linnet 2005-01-16 02:33 am UTC (link)
	To beguile the initial point? I don't think that's the word he was going for, somehow. (Reply to this)(Parent)

telophase
2005-01-15 10:55 pm UTC (link)

One wonders exactly how this guy expects teachers to discpline students, if the "embarassment" of having their name written on the board is too harsh for them. Take her outside and ask her nicely not to do it, if she wouldn't mind? Slip a note into the kid's hand as he leaves class in the hopes that his friends don't notice? Announce to the class that yesterday someone did something naughty and the class should please try not to do it again?

telophase had her name written on the board a number of times and hasn't suffered any negative consequences.

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	pirotess 2005-01-16 02:05 am UTC (link)
	Sounds like a corporate work environment to me! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	drworm 2005-01-16 08:00 am UTC (link)
	I always thought embarrasment was sort of the whole point. Then again, there's always the risk of some elementary school thrill-seeker taking perverse pride in seeing his name up on the board and later running off to Hollywood to become a B movie actor. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	iczer6 2005-01-15 11:00 pm UTC (link)
	How dare those horrible teachers punish his kids for breaking the rules! It couldn't be because his kids are horribly spoiled, disobedient brats, it must be because of an evil ~~cult~~ 'click' that's forcing them to be punished. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	teratologist 2005-01-15 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	On the other hand, there are schools where the discipline is as unevenly distributed as this gentleman implies - perhaps not coincidentally, these schools tend to graduate indiviuals whose grasp of english is similar to his, as well. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	iczer6 2005-01-16 12:47 am UTC (link)
	True, I know that there are kids who can and do get away with murder because they're popular, or they're on a winning sports team, but with the examples he gave it seems like his kids broke the rules and got punished for it which cuts down on my sympathy. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	beccastareyes 2005-01-16 01:07 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, he could have made his case look so much less wanky by saying something like, 'Johnny/Jennie Popular was doing the same thing, but s/he didn't get in trouble, unlike my son/daughter.' As is, the fact that his kids aren't in thein crowd and the fact they are getting disciplined don't look related. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mathilde 2005-01-15 11:37 pm UTC (link)
	Well, we certainly know what they don't teach at that school. Grammar, spelling, rhetoric... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2005-01-16 12:39 am UTC (link)
	...logic, debating, common sense... It's like pro-wrestling in a way; the whole thing is so staged that it's obviously fake. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	meshou 2005-01-16 10:25 pm UTC (link)
	Philosophy, mythology, dead languages... Honestly, take out algebra and replace it with logic, and leave algebra to college science majors. I've never used algebra except in algebra related classes, and my college logic/ math shortcuts class I use almost every fsking day. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	princessdot 2005-01-16 12:01 am UTC (link)
	They need a masters to teach? And they're getting that level of grammar? Wow.... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	nevadafighter 2005-01-16 12:46 am UTC (link)
	Some states (like Ohio) require a master's degree to teach high school. And if this guy has a master's then I might as well just shoot myself now. end Lament of the English Teacher (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	wallflower 2005-01-16 01:16 am UTC (link)
	You need a master's to teach high school in Ohio? Damn it. ::crosses that state off her list of potential states to teach in after college:: (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nevadafighter 2005-01-16 02:11 am UTC (link)
	I think. I'm not entirely sure, but I know my friend, who is a high school math teacher, couldn't get the job until she got her master's. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rinoared 2005-01-16 09:59 am UTC (link)
	I'm more surprised at not requiring a MA to teach. 'Round here, even grade school teachers have a master's degree. (Reply to this)(Parent)

goodrobotsdance
2005-01-16 10:14 am UTC (link)

IL doesn't, AFAIK, require it, but you can get paid more if you have it, so lots of people, if they can, go ahead and get a masters so they can get the possible pay bonuses associated with it. If they don't, then they probably save up money teaching the first few years and then take classes towards a masters.

I think if this guy has a masters than we can all say a master's is effectively useless. *weep*

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the_clansmen
2005-01-16 12:24 am UTC (link)

Sorry this got so long, but it was just too easy.

we hung people by the neck until they were dead for their wrong doings.

now he ded from rope

The phrasing of that makes me want to giggle. Probably because the "until they were dead" part is glaringly obvious.

Our schools are just wanky this week! When they're not teaching kids to read obvious things, they're punishing children for doing bad things! What will they think of next? Maybe they'll try to [gasp] teach our children that 1+1 = 2.

I told by my son that one kid swore on the bus, he was moved to the front and told that for the rest of the year here would remain there, not only on the ride to and from school but also for any events, fieldtrips..ect....

Oh noes! I'm sure he will be scarred for life by not getting to sit exactly where he wants.

Gee, maybe I should go grab a BA a become a teacher to help my kids keep thier popularity, Afterall, anyone can do it.

I dunno, I was always under the impression that grammar and spelling were prerequisites. Not to mention at least half a brain...

As for the part about the kids having connections... well, I wouldn't be surprised and it's terrible, but that's what the world is like sometimes.

The points I made about the buses were all true. I do not know any of the drivers or monitors
but this information is accurate as it came from MANY parents and students.

So if I hear the story about the Mexican Sewer Rat ("Chihuahua") from numerous people, it MUST be true! Dah. [facepalm]

The "handfull" also use a diciplinary action called EMBARRASSMENT! I have seen this, maybe a name on a board, something that will stand out.

...If a name on the board is so traumitizing, this guy really needs more help than a non-professional can give him. But maybe teachers should start giving students cookies when they misbehave. Yeah, that's it. (How does this guy think we should discipline kids?)

This technique of fear teaching is extremely uncharacteristic of the real world and should be changed in classrooms today.

Oh, I get it. He thinks we should pay kids for going to school, and fire them if they act up. [eye roll]

They need to understand they are there to teach not for a personal gain whether social or intellectual.

Yeah, I know a lot of people who are education majors because they're thinking 'wow, being a teacher, that's the way to gain great prestige and learn a lot'.

...Okay, I'm done with this for now. The stupid is eating my brain.

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	iczer6 2005-01-16 12:50 am UTC (link)
	So if I hear the story about the Mexican Sewer Rat ("Chihuahua") from numerous people, it MUST be true! Dah. [facepalm] Of course. And we all know that kid will never lie to get out of trouble, or exaggerate something to gain sympathy. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaimonkey 2005-01-16 12:51 am UTC (link)
	I told by my son that one kid swore on the bus, he was moved to the front and told that for the rest of the year here would remain there, not only on the ride to and from school but also for any events, fieldtrips..ect.... Seeing as I was once cussed-out by a kindergartener...That bus driver is my hero. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	hellespont 2005-01-16 01:49 am UTC (link)
	The phrasing of that makes me want to giggle. Probably because the "until they were dead" part is glaringly obvious. I think that's seriously how they used to do it in courtrooms. "Pirate Pete, I sentence you to be hung from the neck until you are dead, and may your pirate god have mercy on your pirate soul." Or something. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	the_clansmen 2005-01-16 04:32 am UTC (link)
	Just so the defendent couldn't go "Okay, you hung me, now let me go," or something like that. Whereas that's not a problem with lethal injection. It's...you know...lethal. So we never get people wandering out of the chamber going "okay, you punished me! Now who wants to party?!" (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-01-16 04:46 pm UTC (link)
	Yep, that is (or used to be) English usage. "John Smith, I sentence you to be hanged [not hung] by the neck until you are dead." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaimonkey 2005-01-16 12:49 am UTC (link)
	The lil school principal expects that when she claps her hands every child is to be silent!!! Wonder if she can make them rollover too. R. has a problem with this? It's called discipline - every school does it. How else do you expect a bunch of hyper little brats to learn if they're not silent? The illogic boggles my mind. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	the_clansmen 2005-01-16 12:54 am UTC (link)
	I know, what a ridiculous thing for the principal to expect, right? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaimonkey 2005-01-16 01:00 am UTC (link)
	Precisely. Man, my friends and I had that clap thing so often when we were little, we've been outright conditioned. We use it on each other now - to spotless results. It's kinda sick. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	blackjackrocket 2005-01-16 01:35 am UTC (link)
	African Grey icon! hearts (Reply to this)(Thread)

	greypearl 2005-01-16 03:14 am UTC (link)
	Aww, thanks! (Reply to this)(Parent)

drworm
2005-01-16 07:56 am UTC (link)

Viktor- I hope you do not think we believe you are from the Ukraine Europe.. I have had a student in my home from the Ukraine and Honey you are not it.

... they needed to have an actual encounter with a person from the Ukraine to tell them this? Although judging the residents of an entire country by the ONE PERSON you met is kinda wanky too.

This whole thread is stupid, but I've got to say... I have actually been on the receiving end of frustrating disciplinary injustices from school administrators (being threatened and physically assaulted by other students, whose actions were ignored by the school, and then later accused and grilled for 'scaring' another student unintentionally). I wrote a nasty letter to school paper. It didn't really change anything, but it made me feel better... and I like to think it was slightly more constructive than shooting splooge all over the web.

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	napoleon 2005-01-16 08:00 am UTC (link)
	Viktor from Ukraine is my hero. This is beautiful. I'm amused at this man's examples of not being in the 'in crowd.' I could beat that, but I won't, as I'd really rather not wind up on i_wank. (Reply to this)

	gal_montag 2005-01-16 09:08 am UTC (link)
	Maybe that guy should get with the teacher from this wank and they can open a charter school. (Reply to this)

	goodrobotsdance 2005-01-16 10:25 am UTC (link)
	I think my personal favorite is JKR. you're still full of crap "R" and i hate you completely How can you argue with an ending line like that? (Reply to this)

HTML ARGH DIE.

ladybirdsleeps
2005-01-17 01:53 am UTC (link)

They have a section for adulterers! I wonder whose bright idea that was. Apparently it's attracted the Conservative Christians idiots:

"Most affairs begin because a wife is failing to provide admiration, acceptance, or is unfeminine or unsubmissive."

I think I can do without a man who's so insecure he needs me to act like a doormat. If he wants a doormat, he can go to Home Depot.

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	Re: HTML ARGH DIE. adora_spintriae 2005-01-17 02:40 am UTC (link)
	Most affairs begin because a wife is failing to provide admiration, acceptance, or is unfeminine or unsubmissive. See icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: HTML ARGH DIE. notjo 2005-01-17 12:06 pm UTC (link)
	You know, my SO likes it when I'm unsubmissive. Because really, two submissives in one relationship tends not to work too well.... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: HTML ARGH DIE. ladybirdsleeps 2005-01-17 07:24 pm UTC (link)
	Don't tell Tasha. Her head might 'splode. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adora_spintriae 2005-01-17 02:39 am UTC (link)
	YOUR WRONG! I don't think this guy ever even went to school. (*CAUTION THERE MAYBE TYPOS WITHIN*) OHNOES TOO LATE!!1 As far as coming Face to Face that HAS been done many times by many parents. I'm going to pass this on to my mother, so that when she writes up the next discipline report for her school, she knows to capitalise 'Face to Face'. Viktor wins! (Reply to this)