teratologist
2003-10-05 06:53 pm UTC (link)

Can you believe that this is the response they give to those same parents who are struggling to protect the innocence of their children?!?!

That multiple punctuation construction just gives their little missive such a professional, thoughtful gloss.

It's funny, though, I always thought that Coors was run by insane fascists. Or is this just another instance where two sets of insane fascists don't play well together?

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Aaaaaaaaaaagh.

wakkymse
2003-10-05 06:55 pm UTC (link)

I've never liked groups like this. Seems they spend more time screaming bloody murder over bloody murders (oh NO! this message is now NO LONGER FAMILY SAFE AND MUST BE SCREAMED ABOUT OMFG!!!!!111!odin) than doing anything productive

The 1970s are over. If you want Little House on the Prairie, I'm sure you know where to find it; just remember, it's not really/i> about the children, it's about some wankers' bruised egos.

-lee

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	Oh yeah, and... wakkymse 2003-10-05 07:01 pm UTC (link)
	Check out their Best and Worst of the Week column. If I didn't know better, I'd think this was CAP Alert or some other ~~looney Christian~~staunchly pro-children review site. Teh Wank, it burns. -lee (Reply to this)

	ieatpeople 2003-10-05 07:07 pm UTC (link)
	Parental responsibility? What's that? grrr (Reply to this)(Thread)

wakkymse
2003-10-05 07:16 pm UTC (link)

Indeed. Instead of changing the channel to something more appropriate (what a concept!), they crow on and on about the all-important Family Viewing Hour.

Gee, it's not 1975 anymore. We have dozens of cable channels you could change to, now. Does the Family Viewing Hour really need to be treated as sacrosanct? No.

Someone should tell them to turn it to ABC Family. I hear America's Funniest Sprogs is on.

-lee

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	soy_latte 2003-10-05 10:25 pm UTC (link)
	Not to mention Nip/Tuck is on fairly late in a lot of areas, when a lot of children would be in bed anyway. (Reply to this)(Parent)

nekoneko
2003-10-05 07:14 pm UTC (link)

These sponsors are (1) Gap Inc., owner of such family clothing store chains as The Gap, Old Navy, Baby Gap, Kids Gap and Banana Republic

Don't they also own Hot Topic? o.O How could they neglect to put that in as an argument? OMG ur gonna maek our kidz GOTTTTHHHHHHH!!!!11111

I have no clue what Nip/Tuck is, but I really want to watch it now. Is it really as graphic and stuff as they make it out to be?

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wakkymse
2003-10-05 07:23 pm UTC (link)

I don't know, actually, but I know that when I first looked at this, I was thinking they were reviewing shows especially meant for children, not all of prime time...so I was like "OMGWTF" for a few seconds.

Anyways, it's a show over on F/X (which is probably why no one's heard of it...), and, well, this page does a better job explaining it than I could. (Oh, and I guess this means ~~Teh Wank~~ The Family Viewing Hour extends to cable, too...*boggle*)

-lee

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	dejla 2003-10-05 07:28 pm UTC (link)
	Only if you're interested in watching surgery. And for that, you probably ought to check out the medical shows on TLC or one of the other health/medical oriented channels. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	senor_pinata 2003-10-06 12:23 am UTC (link)
	Actually, N/T doesn't spend as much time showing surgery as you'd think--the focus really is on the story, not "woo, random bloody scenes!" Though to be fair, they can get quite bloody. On the whole, the show is fucking excellent. JMHO of course. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	But wait, there's MORE! wakkymse 2003-10-05 07:27 pm UTC (link)
	If it wasn't for that pesky First Amendment, we could SANITIZE ALL OF TV to 1950s levels! Hold me, I'm scared. -lee (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! nekoneko 2003-10-05 07:30 pm UTC (link)
	You should see some of the stuff they have in the forum. It's insane. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

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wakkymse
2003-10-05 07:35 pm UTC (link)

Oooh, I'll have to look at that. But first, this sample from their "About Us" page:

The PTC agrees that parents have the greatest responsibility when it comes to monitoring the viewing habits of their children, but the PTC challenges actors, writers, producers, musicians, game-makers and advertisers to get serious about the vital role they play in shaping America's culture. The gratuitous sex, foul language, and violence on TV (along with stories and dialogue that create disdain for authority figures, patriotism, and religion) are having a negative effect on children.

So they call themselves "non-partisan", but are about as typically Middle American conservative (and Christian) as you can get. Way to be hypocritical, guys.

-lee

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	Re: But wait, there's MORE! nekoneko 2003-10-05 07:37 pm UTC (link)
	Try this on for size. It's a really, really weird kerfuffle... it smells like there is a vendetta in there somewhere. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! sagralisse 2003-10-05 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	It said that I wasn't Christian enough to see the page. :( (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! nekoneko 2003-10-05 07:46 pm UTC (link)
	One must register to see the page. . . . Wait a sec and I'll set up an account for F_Wers. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! nekoneko 2003-10-05 07:55 pm UTC (link)
	It didn't work as I wanted to (my one hotmail account decided to not work. >_<), but I did change my account for other F_Wers to use. S/N: Dragoness Don't ask. x_x; Password: fandomwank Have fun! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! wakkymse 2003-10-05 07:51 pm UTC (link)
	I get the feeling (judging from him getting picked apart so quickly, and the number of posts he has) that Csquared is one of their resident trolls. So yeah, I figured there's a bit of vendetta in there someplace. Still, his heart's in the right place, even if his arguments are creaky. -lee (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! sagralisse 2003-10-05 11:28 pm UTC (link)
	Csquared is a bit frothy isn't he? (Reply to this)(Parent)

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teratologist
2003-10-05 08:03 pm UTC (link)

It's so.... so amazingly not funny.

Much like the cartoons in the Jews for Jesus newsletter. (Nevermind how I know that.)

Why does mock-popular-culture niche marketed to religious conservatives suck so consistently? The cartoons aren't funny, the music is bland and generic, the books and films are trite and melodramatic, and the TV shows are Davy and Goliath. Since they're supposed to be the ordained alternative to the mainstream 'culture of death,' isn't it in their own best interests to make it good enough to compete?

Oh yeah, I forgot.... they'll just legislate the competition out of existence. Sounds kind of Commie when you think about it.

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	Re: But wait, there's MORE! wakkymse 2003-10-05 08:12 pm UTC (link)
	Or the cartoons in the back of Parade, for that matter...though the Parade don't try to preach a political viewpoint, thankfully (Dog knows Parade is glurgey enough as it is). -lee (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! wakkymse 2003-10-05 08:15 pm UTC (link)
	And yeah, they don't want to compete...they just want the brainwashed masses to be happy in their faith, and thus give them tripe that reinforces ~~the voices in their heads~~ the beliefs they cherish so much. As long as it SOUNDS cool, it's fine to them, because actually being cool is a sin! -lee (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! banal_o_rama 2003-10-06 10:51 pm UTC (link)
	I'll grant you that Christian TV, movies, music and books suck and suck hard, but I will NOT have you defiling the good name of Chick tracts! If there's anything more amazingly entertaining than a Chick tract, I have yet to find it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: But wait, there's MORE! teratologist 2003-10-07 02:43 am UTC (link)
	Granted, they're brilliant.... but not, I think, in the way Mr. Chick intended... His full-sized comic books are even better, since they give him the space to flesh out his conspiracy theories about pastor-seducing Catholic sexpots and evolution-promoting Hollywood producers. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	*boggle* soleta 2003-10-05 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	yeah, um, if you're so worried about your children anyway, should you really be letting them watch Nip/Tuck? It's like letting them play diablo and then whining about all the death and the killing and the blood. the hell? hey, reality check here, please. put it on their tab. (Reply to this)

crevette
2003-10-05 08:01 pm UTC (link)

::sigh::

As a parent, it is MY responsibility to parent my child. It is MY responsibility to make sure that my child does not see/hear things that are inappropriate. Now that she is 9 years old, I do admit it is getting harder for me to monitor everything she hear/sees because of what they show at her friend's homes, or at the afterschool programs, but it is also my responsibility to make sure that she is able to make her own decisions of what is right and wrong, what is acceptable and what is not. It is MY responsibility, not Hollywood's, to make sure that she understands that what she sees on television is not real and is not how normal people behave.

In short, it is my responsibility to raise my own child, and I don't take that lightly. Admittedly, it would be easier if Hollywood did do such things, but I do not expect it or require it or even ask for it. (I do get annoyed when the Powers That Be actively market unacceptable things like talentless half-dressed Britney or talented half-dressed Christina to the pre-teen market. That is very annoying)

My poor kid... I'm harsher than most. We have one television in the house. That is all we will ever have. She does not need a television/vcr/DVD in her room. Many of my coworkers bought their children TV's and VCRs for their rooms when the children were two or three years of age. Why? So that the children could watch their own movies in their own rooms instead of having to interact with their families.

As for "Nip and Tuck", I have the understanding that it comes on at or after 10PM at night on a school night. Why on earth are these people worried about their children watching it? Why aren't their children in bed? Why aren't these parents actively parenting?

::Sigh::

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wakkymse
2003-10-05 08:10 pm UTC (link)

Wordy McWordyword.

Unfortunately, these people are hell-bent on "sanitizing" TV the same way the ~~other~~ fundies want to sanitize everything else. Apparently, their idyllic view of Tv in the 1950s (which, if you know anything about it, was anything but -- hell, these people probably wouldn't let anyone watch Milton Berle because OMG HE CROSSDRESSES...) is all that matters.

-lee

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melange
2003-10-05 09:02 pm UTC (link)

Word. When I was younger, I would sometimes watch tv that was inappropriate, and do you know what my parents did? They got rid of cable. Not only did we stop watching inappropriate shows, we pretty much stopped watching tv altogether. I didn't have my own tv until I was sixteen, and it was a crappy one I bought myself from Salvation Army.

Now my youngest sister (she's nine) has started to watch MTV, and my parents have told me that they plain to get rid of cable at the end of the month. They've told her that now they'll have extra money to spend on books, so not only will she be watching less tv, she might just start reading more.

Maybe some of the idiots on that board should try something like this, but I guess that would mean taking personal responsiblity for their child, not letting the tv raise them.

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teratologist
2003-10-05 09:32 pm UTC (link)

Actually, my guess is that most of these activistas probably do monitor their own kids' television viewing pretty carefully - after all, they're clearly willing to put effort into things. My guess would be that most of the actual, biological children of these folks have never seen a moving picture that isn't Veggie Tales or Touched by an Angel. (Disney being ruled out since that Gay Day kerfluffle, and PBS overrun with nasssty liberal humanists like Mr. Rogers.) The parents watch shows that they never would watch as a family, simply to ascertain that they are in fact offensive.

What the hardcore censorship types have is often not so much concern for the contamination of their own, personal children - after all, anything sinful that gets into those children will just be beat right out again - but rather an obsessive commitment to the Cult of the Abstract Child. They will do anything in their power, including death threats and deprivation of livlihood against real people in their own communities, to protect theoretical children with neglectful parents whom they've never met. It's telling that many of these same activists are big into fetus protection. The more amorphous and pure the 'child' the better they like it. They're also in love with the punitive function of parenting and wish to extend their responsibility in that regard across society as a whole. In addition, some of the more extreme subspecies believe that Jesus can't come back until there's nothing on TV that will offend him.

You know, not that I've had run-ins with these nut cases before. *whistles innocently*

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melange
2003-10-05 09:51 pm UTC (link)

Actually, my guess is that most of these activistas probably do monitor their own kids' television viewing pretty carefully - after all, they're clearly willing to put effort into things.

While that's probably true for most of these extremists, the ones I've heard always seem to have some horror story, about how their child heard someone say 'Damnit' and was traumatized for life.

And you're probably right about everything else as well, I'm assuming that their fears are based on logic of any kind (however bad it may be) when in fact this is most likely an excuse for them to cram their self-righteous beliefs down other people's throats, as well as an excuse to feel victimized. Many fundamentalist Christains seem to be laboring under the delusion that they are a oppressed minority, and that the heathens have taken over this country, and they are on a crusade to reclaim it in the name of Jesus. So, yeah, I'm sure that most people there are acting out their literal martyr complexes, and that their concerns have nothing to do with reality.

I actually feel very bad for you, having to deal with these nuts.

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crevette
2003-10-06 03:54 am UTC (link)

In addition, some of the more extreme subspecies believe that Jesus can't come back until there's nothing on TV that will offend him.

Bwah! Sounds like my mother.

She bought my daughter a small pink bible that folds up into a little purse. Said my daughter "begged for it" in the Christian book store. I'm sure she did since it was pink and looked like a purse, but Mother told my sister she did it to try to "educate the little heathen".

Since we are a non-Christian household we have these little things happen all the time, from my mother buying small beaded crosses and things with scripture on them to her having her Bible study class "pray for us to find the right way and Jesus" every week.

She also doesn't like what I allow my daughter to watch on TV. When I say that I'm responsible for everything she watches, I mean that. But that doesn't mean we play Veggietales 24/7 (ack!). IN FACT, I don't allow Veggietales in the houuse. Propaganda=ick. But when we watch, we watch as a family, we discuss what is on, we decide what is suitable and what is not and lay down a foundation so our child can decide on her own what is suitable and what is not.

And isn't that what parents are supposed to do instead of letting their kids go off and watch whatever comes on and then bitch to the networks about the crap the kids saw? ::checks handbook::

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tempslut
2003-10-06 06:07 am UTC (link)

My parents wouldn't let me watch MTV until I was in seventh grade, and told me that they'd yank the Disney Channel (shut up, I was addicted to it back then) if they caught me watching MTV. It worked.

Then I started watching a bit on the sly in seventh grade, until my folks finally caved and let me watch. By then, they figured they could trust me to judge for myself.

And even if they aren't going to get rid of cable (there is the Inspiration Network, you know), they could at least use the parental controls that come with the cable. All you have to do is punch in a code. Or are they technologically-impaired, too?

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ailei
2003-10-06 12:40 am UTC (link)

I'm a parent too (of an 8 year old and a 3 year old), and I run a very open household based on communication *about* sensory input rather than denial. I just think it suits my kids better. But in ANY CASE, it is NOBODY'S job to police my children's viewing but mine. Gods, but it offends me for these jerks to try and impose their morality on MY children.

A very good friend of mine once said 'My life is NC-17!!' If theirs isn't, I feel sorry for them, but it certainly explains a lot, doesn't it?

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fandom_bitch
2003-10-05 08:23 pm UTC (link)

This annoys me to no end. Really, now, where the fuck are the PARENTS of these kids? Why aren't they monitoring their kids' television habits. Funny, my parents both worked full time and they still managed to make sure my brother and I did not see anything they considered inappropriate. They also checked out our reading material, movie material, everything. Good Lord! What a concept. People actually taking responsibility for their children's upbringing. What a radical idea!

And if kids are watching Nip/Tuck, then erm...why are the kids up so late to begin with. Some folks need to stop complaining and start parenting.

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	terminal_frost 2003-10-05 10:32 pm UTC (link)
	Good Lord! What a concept. People actually taking responsibility for their children's upbringing. What a radical idea! But but but... If they did that (take responsibility and parent their kids), they'd have less time to bitch and moan about the content of America's TV Stations. And we all know they can't have that, now can they? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

fandom_bitch
2003-10-06 03:44 am UTC (link)

Yeah, true dat. I mean, even after my parents split up and dad moved faaaaar away, mom manged to keep up with what I was doing and laid some ground rules. Dad popped up now and again to check up on things, but it wasn't often and he had more to do with what I was doing in school in the end.

Still, despite the family being busy and being spread across the country, they still managed to keep tabs on what was going on with me. That was, until I left home. :P

You'd think with all that free time those two parent families with 1.8 kids and a white picket fence, they'd have more time being responsible parents...then again, look what happens when one has too much free time.

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	phosfate 2003-10-06 02:51 pm UTC (link)
	Their outrage makes me want to watch Nip/Tuck. Except for the thing where the adverts make me puke. (Reply to this)

	uniquesnowflake 2003-10-07 11:13 pm UTC (link)
	And nobody stepped up to make a comment about Gap and Coors ads selling sexuality and (in the case of Coors) alcohol in fashions to influence people between 16 and 30? I mean, seriously. You want an ad company to stop advertising a show about plastic surgery, you barkin' up the WRONG tree, honey. (Reply to this)

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