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Lurker #32 ([info]lurker32) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2005-02-23 16:04:00


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Current mood:Dramatic

Oh, those wacky kids!
Okay, half of you have probably seen this by now, but in the interests of posterity:

In his blog, Neil Gaiman posts a letter he got from a sixteen-year-old girl named Angie, chastising him for putting (oh noes) a sex scene in his book Stardust, along with his characteristically civil and sensible response.

And the LJ feed explodes!


blackbutterfli: curses that I don't have time to read the whole fascinating and squee worthy post, but fuck you angie!

geca: ACK! That Angie is making me see red. I'm 17, and if there's one thing I hate it's censorship. He's perfectly free to write a book, and not worry about "OHMYGAWSH, a 10-year-old might stumble on it and find out, you know, Where Babies Come From." UGH! It's not even a children's book. If she wants books that are sex-free read Children's books, or Christan books. DEFINATELY not YA books and not most adult books either. It'd be one thing if Stardust was advertised as a book to teach kids about the Birds and the Bees and Dunstan and the fairy are boinking wildly, or having an orgie or something like that!

weemadharold: Any 16 year old who doesn't already know about sex has serious fucking problems. The age of consent is 16 or less throughout most of the world, for Cthulhu's sake.



gosparkygo:
One upon a time I sent out letters written just as stiffly as that precisely because underneath the cloak of self-righteousness, I was uncertain. Unless you're really lucky or really lying, you probably did too.

mrpata: Neil handled that letter with the utmost grace.

It's a shame that his enlightened and open-minded readers couldn't do the same.


Blissfully unaware of all this brouhaha (OR IS HE?!) Gaiman posts a follow-up the next day, in which "Liz" writes:

Hey Neil, I really liked your response to Angie's email about the "scene" in Stardust. Although I have yet to read that book, I had similar questions regarding American Gods. I understand that it is an adult book and so not many children are likely to be reading it, but as a sixteen year old high school student I was rather surprised at how much sex was in just the first half of the novel. Personaly, I justified the acts of sex in American Gods with symbolization rather than actual sexual intercourse, and I was wondering if you were going in the same direction.

And here it gets really fun, as in one corner saltsweetbitter waxes vitriolic about book burners omg! and in the other, redlion1904 whinges: Good to know that the Gestapo that reads this LJ don't think girls have the right to be embarassed by something they read. Hate to respect her freedom of thought or anything.

Obviously somebody's being oppressed here, but whether it's Neil Gaiman or his more delicate fangirls remains to be proven.

(I hear tell that syndicated feed posts expire at some point, so here are furls for those coming late to the party: part one and part deux.)



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[info]kadath
2005-02-23 10:58 pm UTC (link)
Why did she bitch to Gaiman about it? If you genuinely think something's age-inappropriate, shouldn't you, I dunno, talk to the teacher about it?

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[info]phosfate
2005-02-23 11:16 pm UTC (link)
Why not go right to the source?

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[info]lurker32
2005-02-23 11:35 pm UTC (link)
That'd be too much like actual action.

Or maybe she genuinely thinks she's gonna convert Teh Neil to the CAPAlert Gospel. Who knows?

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[info]belafarinrod
2005-02-23 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Gaiman kicks ass. Even when he's in a wank-fest against other comic people.

16-year-old sex impaired girls do not stand a chance.

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[info]marlo
2005-02-24 12:02 am UTC (link)
Wank aside, I got a real kick out of geca's spelling of orgie. Orgie Georgie Porjie. It sounds like the name of a baby ogre, or something.


...Ok, yes, I am really bored at work.

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[info]lurker32
2005-02-24 12:06 am UTC (link)
*snickers*

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[info]pokecheck
2005-02-24 12:35 am UTC (link)
Georgie Orgie ate himself some pie
Sexed the girls and made them cry
Mama called the doctor and the doctor said
"No more Orgies jumping on the bed!"

Or am I mixing nursery rhymes?

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[info]lovelyzelda
2005-02-24 01:03 am UTC (link)
Orgie Porgie, Ford and fun
Kissed the girls and made them one!

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[info]arielchan
2005-02-24 12:23 am UTC (link)
Horaay for Gaiman wank! Makes me wish I still had my Neil-ified icon.

In other news, WTF why are they reading Stardust in high schools anyway? I mean, it's good, cuz it's Neil, but if I was going to select a Neil book to have a class read it would not be that one.

[If you're curious, I'd probably choose either Neverwhere or Smoke and Mirrors. Maybe American Gods if it was a senior AP class and I didn't live in Texas.]

~*Ariel*~

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[info]iris
2005-02-24 12:28 am UTC (link)
I'm jealous of that person who talked about their junior English class acting out Lysistrata in the library with makeshift props. That would be so, so much fun.

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[info]dawnswalker
2005-02-24 01:27 am UTC (link)
No kidding. Why did they get to do "Lysistrata," while I was stuck with various overly-academia-stuffed Shakespeare works?

But in Junior English? Seriously? You know they just spent all the time fighting over whose prop penis should be biggest.

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[info]nekoneko
2005-02-24 01:32 am UTC (link)
I wish I could have done that. Instead I read Romeo and Juliet two years in a row. Fah.

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[info]pradaloz
2005-02-24 01:53 pm UTC (link)
Heh. My sophomore year combination world history/world literature class did pretty much the same thing (though it was a group dramatic reading sans props). The history teacher began the unit by saying, "We're about to read a play about SEX. If you have a problem with SEX or with the idea that women can withhold SEX, let us know, and we'll find some busy work for you to do out in the hall." This is the same teacher who, in an anthropology elective, told us that any Creationists who were in the classroom ought to switch classes ASAP, because they weren't going to enjoy hers very much.

I really, really loved her.

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[info]biichan
2005-02-25 06:23 pm UTC (link)
Dude, yes. I didn't get to do Lysistrata until I was a freshman in college. (On the other hand, I got to do it in two classes the same semester, mwahahahaha!)

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[info]nekoneko
2005-02-24 12:35 am UTC (link)
That would be why I read Neil's posts, and not the comments. Jeebus.

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[info]lurker32
2005-02-24 01:19 am UTC (link)
Have I mentioned lately that that icon is of the fabulous?

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[info]lovelyzelda
2005-02-24 01:09 am UTC (link)
It's a private act between a limited group (usually two) of consenting adults, and should mostly stay that way.

The "usually two" bit cracked me up.

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[info]jetamors
2005-02-24 01:42 am UTC (link)
*rolls eyes* I seriously don't get the wank here. Girl thinks the sexx0rs didn't add that much to the plot, and instead of launching a huge campaign against his books, she writes him a polite letter about it. He writes her an equally polite letter back explaining why he felt the need to put it into the story.

PEOPLE! THIS IS THE WAY THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK! She is not advocating censorship. She is not demanding that all of his books be burnt. She LIKES his books. She just disliked one aspect and wrote in to ask him about it. This is not a crime.

[/wank]

Er, sorry about that. I'll just get a tissue and mop up after myself, shall I?

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[info]pokecheck
2005-02-24 01:53 am UTC (link)
Didn't you get the memo?

I) Anyone who questions anything Mr. Gaiman does is a doodyhead.
II) Anyone who questions sex in any way, shape or form is obviously a self-righteous moralist fundie freak doodyhead.

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[info]smo
2005-02-24 01:55 am UTC (link)
*fangirls you madly*

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(no subject) - [info]jetamors, 2005-02-24 03:13 am UTC

[info]lurker32
2005-02-24 02:04 am UTC (link)
True dat.

I think this is one of those arguments where both sides automatically lose and go to their rooms without porn.

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[info]sluggirl
2005-02-24 02:55 am UTC (link)
Two Gaiman-wanks in one day? *dusts off ancient icon*

I particularly love the "I was reading hardcore porn when I was eight years old, and it didn't do anything to me! What are you, some sort of pussy? GROW UP!" argument. *eyeroll* Good for you. Here's a newsflash: PEOPLE ARE NOT ALL THE SAME. Therefore, some people have different comfort-levels than other people. That's what makes the world such a beautiful... thingy. Or something. Meh.

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[info]_lotuseater
2005-02-24 05:29 am UTC (link)
Love Gaiman. Hate Gaiman fans.

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[info]frau_eva
2005-02-24 06:53 am UTC (link)
I must admit. I wanked a little bit, but it was only about Angie. I have no clue or problem with what the other chick said. And American Gods admittedly does include a man being sucked into a vagina. So I can understand. Stardust doesn't.

But Angie's little, "OMG Im in STARS n I dun think u shold rite that for the chilluns!!!11" just pricked a small point in me: sometimes, responsible sex is simply out of character. I mean, really, let's say a character happens to be a drug-addled murderer. Do you think he is gonna have responsible sex? Sometimes, not everyone is simply going to wait for their twu wuv. Characters are supposed to mirror real people.

That and the fact that she's complaining about the same book that featured a group of brothers that eventually all murdered each other....gah.

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(no subject) - [info]backfromspace, 2005-02-24 07:53 am UTC

[info]cpip
2005-02-24 07:51 pm UTC (link)
*cough*
*shuffle feet*

Don't mind me. I was a bit spoogy there myself, I think, arguing with Redlion over who Godwinned first.

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