urbanspaceman
2005-03-20 11:26 am UTC (link)

Mwahahahaha! convexhull wins.

Look you twit, the very fact you posted this on a public forum MAKES it our business. If you didn't want drama, then you should not be doing the online equivalent filling your underwear with chum and then jumping into the great white shark exhibit, screaming all the while 'I am NOT food!' And then acting all surprised you start losing extremities.

XD

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	annabelle_lee 2005-03-20 02:13 pm UTC (link)
	S/he does indeed. If it wasn't misconstrued as a cheap shot or taken as another bit o' drama, I'd go over there and offer them a token baby sacrifice. :D ~~ZOMGTHEDRUIDSWILBEOFFERED!!11~~ (Reply to this)(Parent)

windex_junkie
2005-03-20 11:41 am UTC (link)

If... you... can't even... type... without... gratuitous abuse of ellipses, it is probably time to UNLACE THE DAMN CORSET.

I dig the part where she says she doesn't believe that human sacrifice happened--because she doesn't want to believe it. And then goes on to say, in the same breath, that Paganism is both better and the same as Druidic religious practices.

Actually no; it HURTS us.

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	kannaophelia 2005-03-20 01:08 pm UTC (link)
	I was almost as impressed by the "Yeah, they did human sacrifice, but that doesn't make them bad people because I'm not intolerant against human sarcifice!" girl she was arguing with. Scary. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	princessdot 2005-03-20 10:32 pm UTC (link)
	Elipses...... ........they're the new internet toy....... .........y0 (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2005-03-20 01:13 pm UTC (link)
	And will the majority of people EVER learn to mind their own business about something that has NOTHING to do with themselves? As soon as you realize the idiocy of putting a private matter in a public post you dumb, shit stirring bastard? (Reply to this)

	ashenmote 2005-03-20 01:14 pm UTC (link)
	i can't help but believe my side (as it were) whilst having its faults, is the more positive... This here is certainly a novel concept that I never before encountered in a religious debate. And I wish I could believe wikkidgothbabe is a troll, because her stunning display of stupidpassgressive makes my toes hurt. (Reply to this)

	wankismyfandom 2005-03-20 01:31 pm UTC (link)
	My favourite moment: ward_54 brings the argument down out of ~~the ivory tower of academic debate~~ LiveJournal and right into the trailer park ~~where it belongs~~. (Reply to this)

	annabelle_lee 2005-03-20 02:21 pm UTC (link)
	Comedy gold. Someone needs to sign her up for the Darwins; she's got the 'missing-the-point' and 'selective intelligence' requirements down. (Reply to this)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-20 04:16 pm UTC (link)
	Ward_54 says: They also regularly performed human sacrifice (not that I find that particularly repulsive..but) Note to self: Stay far, far away from this person. Which is really the station of religon in the first place, to control the populace. Really? I thought it was to teach the populace to control themselves. --Terrymouse (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2005-03-20 05:44 pm UTC (link)
	I thought it was for free wafers. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hellespont 2005-03-20 05:57 pm UTC (link)
	My church's communion was Wonderbread cubes. I think I got ripped off. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nightfalltwen 2005-03-20 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	My church had a bread machine out in the annex. Quite possibly the only reason I went to church. dodges lightening bolts (Reply to this)(Parent)

	heddychaa 2005-03-20 08:03 pm UTC (link)
	heh. mine too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hellespont 2005-03-21 02:43 am UTC (link)
	The body of Christ ain't what it used to be. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	squib 2005-03-21 02:59 am UTC (link)
	Egyptian religion calls for a full-on feast. None of this stale wafer stuff! :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-20 07:06 pm UTC (link)
	Glorious feminism (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ginmar/398870.html) female rape and male rape (http://www.livejournal.com/users/ginmar/399250.html) wank. respect my autoratahhh! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-20 07:17 pm UTC (link)
	Ahh ginmar's discussing rape RUN! ~ the mouse who consumes men's souls, fleeing for her life (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-20 07:39 pm UTC (link)
	And people making her angwy! The fun :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

necronomist
2005-03-20 08:58 pm UTC (link)

Bah. Not having time to read people who actually study this stuff, how much evidence is there that snakes = Druids? I mean, the snake is a major figure in a lot of mythologies, but it doesn't seem to be in Celtic lore. Especially since compared to other places, there was a lot less death involved in introducing Christianity to Ireland than in, er, other places.

(And the Druids seem to get it worse from the polytheistic Romans than from Christian missionaries. I wonder how many pagans take that into account. Oh and human sacrifice seemed closer to last resort/death penalty than other instances of human sacrifice)

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	sorchar 2005-03-20 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	Marion Zimmer Bradley said it in a book. Other than that, I have no idea if there's any proof. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

darthfi
2005-03-20 11:58 pm UTC (link)

IIRC, in a St. Patrick's Day rant a couple of years ago, I pointed out that Marion Zimmer Bradley is not a valid historical source.

Apart from everything else, (and I'm going to bore people now), the Patrician chronicles were written about 4 centuries after he lived and at a time when massacring of pagans would have been seen as a Good Thing.

Yet there is not one direct reference to killing or mass expulsion of druids by Patrick, and Patrick is shown as a good salesman instead - "if you continue your traditions but believe in what I believe, look! You get eternal life and this lovely carriage clock, free!" Or else he beats the druids at their own game - standard mythology for a saint in those days.

Not to mention the fact that he was a Romano-Briton and Britain was one of the last bits to lose its Roman civilisation in an already-crumbling Roman Empire. There just weren't the resources to send an army in with Patrick to murder the Druids - and besides, why bother? The Roman Empire already knew about the advantages of co-opting - they'd done it with many gods integrated into their existing pantheon (hell, my husband is from the place dedicated to Minerva Sulis after all) and done the same with Christianity (the similarities between Mithraism and Christianity crack me up, particularly as the army was the driving force in the adoption of Christianity), so why break an already successful pattern?

But then, I'm from a bit of Ireland that wasn't converted by jumped-up Brissle boy (if you want to get really worried, realise that St. Patrick talked like a pirate), and had its own personal pre-Patrician saint that no-one's ever heard of.

Patrick was just the bloke with the good PR agency.

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(Anonymous)
2005-03-21 12:57 am UTC (link)

I'm not bored.

Most of the stuff I've read about Patrick and the Druids seems to suggest that the Druids didn't see Christianity as threat, but a chance for a new career. They were the educated caste, so transitioning from being His Most Druidness to His Holiness was fairly easy.

What part of Ireland are you from and who's your saint?

When you said Patrician, I instantly thought of THE Patrician from the Discworld books. He's like St. Patrick, in a way.

A. Mouse

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	darthfi 2005-03-21 09:48 am UTC (link)
	Wexford and Ibar. Iberius is the Latin version of the name. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-03-21 10:03 am UTC (link)
	Woah, never heard of that one. I fail at being Irish, I suppose. A. Mouse (Reply to this)(Parent)

	squib 2005-03-21 03:00 am UTC (link)
	TY, you said that way better than I could! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sorchar 2005-03-20 09:51 pm UTC (link)
	http://www.livejournal.com/community/washingtondc/788869.html?thread=5924485#t5924485 Best Comment Evar. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dark_puck 2005-03-21 04:52 am UTC (link)
	Bahleeted. ;.; (Reply to this)(Parent)

wanktastic
2005-03-20 10:33 pm UTC (link)

I checked out wikkedgothbabe's* LJ and her title says "High Priestess of Walkenology." Am I the only one who at first thought it said "High Priestess of Wankology"? Also, there's a picture of her with Christopher Walken and he looks like he wants to hork on her shoes so she'll go away. Not that I blame him.

* She is neither "wikked" [sic], goth or a babe. Should I sue for false advertising?

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	tangentialone 2005-03-21 02:06 am UTC (link)
	Nope, not the only one. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mydruthers 2005-03-20 10:48 pm UTC (link)
	"It was not all light and fluffiness and happy bannannas" - ward_54 Truer words have not been spoken. (Reply to this)

	funwithrage 2005-03-22 01:41 am UTC (link)
	Theo's neo-Puritanism amuses me. "How DARE people take a day off to celebrate THE DEMON RUM...or Guiness...THE DEMON GUINESS!" Won't anyone think of the children? (Reply to this)