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	daijinryuu 2003-10-22 10:53 pm UTC (link)
	Ms. Hromic needs to pull the stick out of her ass so that all the insects can get out. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sepiamagpie 2003-10-23 03:44 am UTC (link)
	your icon fascinates me everytime I see it. Moreso now that I figured out that that was a chick standing on an egg instead of what I previously thought. Oh, uh. and Bad wank! Bad! Go back to your hole! There. back on topic. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sagralisse 2003-10-22 10:54 pm UTC (link)
	Alma who? ::nods:: (Reply to this)(Thread)

	oulangi 2003-10-23 12:00 am UTC (link)
	Alma, meet Anne Rice. I imagine you with either become best friends or kill each other with rusty sporks. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dae 2003-10-23 12:09 am UTC (link)
	Hmm... Anne Rice, Anne McCaffery and Alma Hromic... Is there something up with being a writer and having a 4 letter name beginning with A? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-10-23 12:27 am UTC (link)
	So, is a three-way bitch fight with rusty sporks in a vat of creamed corn okay, or should I do another poll? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	nitro 2003-10-22 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	Ah. So if the wanky, self-important, and humourless can become published authors, then those of us who aren't sucking morasses of insecurity and ego and who respect the craft more than the profession must have a pretty good shot, too! Alma, you make me feel so much better about myself. Thank you. (Reply to this)

	dejla 2003-10-22 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	What You All Said. (Reply to this)

	virago 2003-10-22 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	Lordy, was that whole thing a sight to see last year. Whew. And people are STILL debating it with new stuff. It's great. I actually like this whole trainwreck; it brings out a lot of underlying issues about writing and ego and public opinion and blah blah wankity wank. (Reply to this)

	bubba_ray 2003-10-22 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	Whoa Timehole, didnt we (NaNo Writers) already take the piss outta that one last year? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dae 2003-10-22 11:57 pm UTC (link)
	grin Yup... remember the thread and the long point and laugh session? (Reply to this)(Parent)

dae
2003-10-23 12:07 am UTC (link)

*snort* Welcome back Nano 2002 all is forgiven (must be considering I'm taking on the challenge again this year)

Alma Hromic turned into one of the unofficial 'Nanowrimo Dares' last year... the dare was to incorporate her into your nanovel and do... oh... mean things to her...

(Paraphrased from thewhitecrow on the Nano England:London forum)

This lead to the old favourites like 'I looked across the street and saw Alma Hromic being run over by a bus, then I went back to the paper' and the slightly more unusual spaceship called the Mala Chirom that was blown up with all hands on board in the Oort Cloud...

In fact I remember a list of anagrams of Alma Hromic that could be used so that we could 'eviscerate her in fiction'

Some have suggested David Blaine to be this years official 'figure of fun' do you suppose we could get him to comment now he's out of his box?

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meril
2003-10-23 12:09 am UTC (link)

She's right, though. 50,000 words of drawerfic doesn't make you a novelist. You may have completed writing a novel, but until it's published, you're just Joe Schmoe with 50,000 words of blahblah in a drawer.

This, of course, doesn't count if you're writing a fanfic novel, but writing fanfic doesn't give you any sort of aura of l33t at parties either.

/dons fire-retardant underwear

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	dae 2003-10-23 12:12 am UTC (link)
	True, but most of us are using this to get out a first draft (sorry version.) The only thing that makes you a writer (lower case w) is... you know... writing... it's not the hallowed portal of hell that she seems to think it is... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	meril 2003-10-23 12:15 am UTC (link)
	I have no problems with NaNoWriMo. I have, unfortunately, encountered idiots in RL who think that their magnum opus in their desk drawer at home, or even worse, said unedited pile of crap that they paid a vanity press to publish, makes them novelists. I wouldn't bitch so much about it if said morons didn't brag about it to all their co-workers. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

dae
2003-10-23 12:22 am UTC (link)

Yes, met them too... I use the same tactic with them as I use with Hromic... point and laugh... but the idea that there's an elite writing sect who have the right... nay duty... to call themselves the One True Writer is laughable.

That she can call herself a paid writer (from memory she's best known for Star Trek Voyager novels... can I be a bitch and say 'fanfic'?) is something to be proud of. That she uses it as a soap box to sneer down on those that are trying to reach the same goal isn't.

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	sagralisse 2003-10-23 12:34 am UTC (link)
	from memory she's best known for Star Trek Voyager novels... Oh, uh uh. If that's the case she does NOT need to go there. Alma, meet my icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dae 2003-10-23 12:36 am UTC (link)
	Yes... after that being called a blight on the literary establishment is almost a step up... (Reply to this)(Parent)

	folk 2003-10-24 11:04 am UTC (link)
	Wow. That's a fucking great icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-10-26 03:26 pm UTC (link)
	Danka! :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	snowball 2003-10-26 07:33 am UTC (link)
	Your icon is fucking marvelous. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-10-26 03:28 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks! I'm curious... what does yours mean? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	snowball 2003-10-27 06:12 am UTC (link)
	Oh--it was spawned by an IM conversation with my friend in which she suggested that the HP fandom round up all the BNFs and duct-tape their mouths shut. There was a particularly loud-mouthed wank going on at the time. Yours is funnier. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sagralisse 2003-10-27 06:14 am UTC (link)
	Heheheh. But yours is more of an inside joke. That's cool. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	psychofangirl 2003-10-23 12:56 am UTC (link)
	Let them brag. If they published it through Vanity Press, it should be funny. Not something worth bitching about. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	*snerk* mirabellawotr 2003-10-23 12:21 am UTC (link)
	Yes, by all means let us eschew the pedestrian draft. Only through writing versions can we attain perfection, rise above the need for tiresome, pedantic editors, and achieve the pinnacle of the writer's craft: 900 pages of spaghetti code with the occasional proper noun thrown in. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: snerk dae 2003-10-23 12:23 am UTC (link)
	I know I'm certainly writing a highly polished and deeply felt version this Nano ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

psychofangirl
2003-10-23 01:00 am UTC (link)

"She's right, though. 50,000 words of drawerfic doesn't make you a novelist. You may have completed writing a novel, but until it's published, you're just Joe Schmoe with 50,000 words of blahblah in a drawer."

However, that person is more of a novelist than someone who does little to NOTHING with their ideas.

For me, Nanowrimo, is just a good way of getting as much of my ideas down as possible. It's a challenge of how much I can get down in a month. Whether or not that's a "novelist" doesn't carry much weight with me. But, if someone sees themselves as a "novelist" because of this, then more power to them. It doesn't bother me either way.

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teratologist
2003-10-23 02:31 pm UTC (link)

I'm of two minds about this. I, like many others, have met those that think that they are 'writers' (although usually based on short stories or, worse still, some sort of alleged poetry rather than a full-fledged drawer novel) and wanted to punch them.

However, to argue that publication itself is the portal creates the implication that, for instance, John Kennedy Toole was not a 'writer' until some time after his death, when he magically became one. This seems semantically weird. (Although I'm told you can also convert to Mormonism this way.)

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	quinctia 2003-10-23 10:32 pm UTC (link)
	You're Joe Schmoe, the unpublished novelist. And for her to say that a gimmick isn't a valid bit of inspiration, that's a laugh. After all, Stephen King seems to get novels out of one "gimmicky" idea, and he's a damn good writer. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	psychofangirl 2003-10-23 12:53 am UTC (link)
	"Alma who?" Yea, that's what I was thinking. (Reply to this)

amakath
2003-10-23 01:02 am UTC (link)

Once upon a time there was a little girl who loved words.

Ooh, tell me more!

...the emerging of the writer from the chrysalis of someone who fiercely yearns to write into the butterfly of the published writer. (And then the butterfly finds out that it's hard work to keep flying, and that nectar is rare and difficult to find... but that's another story altogether.)

I am dazzled by your strikingly original metaphor!

That girl was me.

No! You don't say!

I suppose I can see where she's coming from, but geez, get over yourself already. So what if some hack with 50,000 words in a drawer wants to call him or herself a novelist? I can belt out a number at karaoke night and call myself a singer, but that doesn't make it true, except in the sense that a singer is someone who sings. Comparing this to something like brain surgery or architecture is ridiculous. There aren't a lot of amateur brain surgeons out there. At least I should hope not.

And I love how she continues to completely miss the point in her response to the responses.

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	psychofangirl 2003-10-23 01:21 am UTC (link)
	EHHE! Couldn't have said it better myself. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sagralisse 2003-10-23 01:38 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I forgot about the butterfly part. I sort of maxed out on the pretentiousness and had to dump the earlier stuff. Thanks for reminding me! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	I'm in a mood. singe 2003-10-23 02:53 am UTC (link)
	(And then the butterfly finds out that it's hard work to keep flying, and that nectar is rare and difficult to find... but that's another story altogether.) She stopped because she didn't want to tell us that the butterfly was eaten by the Lizard of Pretentiousness. Don't talk about the 50,000 words in my drawer -the grunge under my fridge is better than that crap. (Reply to this)(Parent)

chaos_priestess
2003-10-23 03:32 am UTC (link)

I think the funniest part is where Ms. Hromic completely misses the point of the letters sent it.

Writing 50,000 words will not make you a novelist. The letters showcased here prove that people understand that. Writing 50,000 words in 30 days gives authors a start.

In all truth, I wish I could keep my interest on stories long enough (and I had the time! Studying for exams, bleh) to take part in NaNoWriMo. I'd finally have a semi-decent first draft of a story I've always wanted to write.

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	!! chaoscheebs 2003-10-27 02:15 am UTC (link)
	I don't normally make off-topic "OMG ICON!!" posts, but OMG ICON!! O_O /squeeing Arc the Lad series fangirl (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: !! chaos_priestess 2003-10-27 03:23 am UTC (link)
	And hello Chibi-chan! Haven't seen you since RoFF days. Missed you, sweetie. And yes. Arc the Lad twincest. Ain't it fun? (Reply to this)(Parent)

fandom_bitch
2003-10-23 06:10 am UTC (link)

I have a book/course Lady NOVELIST should try...she might learn a few things about getting started and actually being encouraging: The Artist's Way, by Julia Cameron.

Trashing someone before they even begin is just not cool at all.

And I'm so going to mock that article in the next few days. Look for it in my JF! (In this case, I don't give a rat's ass if Swan says I can't "steal, scavenge or repost this work ". This is just too rich to NOT mock.)

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	dae 2003-10-23 05:35 pm UTC (link)
	You're not stealing, scavanging or reposting... you're editorialising... completely different... and yup I shall look out for... there isn't enough Hromic snark in this world... ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	melange 2003-10-23 09:30 pm UTC (link)
	You know, I would say that writing a novel would, in fact, make you a novelist in that a novelist is someone who wrote a novel. You might not be a good novelist, but a novelist none the less. Besides, it's fucking hard to write 50,000 words in a month. People should feel proud of themselves. They should think that this makes them a Serious Artiste, but neither should Ms. Hromic. (Reply to this)

	banal_o_rama 2003-10-24 03:41 am UTC (link)
	Man, what a twat. (Reply to this)

	snowball 2003-10-26 07:41 am UTC (link)
	o_O Oy, Famous Author I've Never Even Heard Of! It's a pressure-writing exercise, you pretentious twat! Is it bad for people to have fun and challenge themselves? (Reply to this)

limyaael
2003-10-26 08:11 am UTC (link)

So you want to write? Write. If you don't have it in you, that thing that drives you, the thing that needs to be said - then find another dream. Make the bourbon for the tortured artists to drink. Bake them a cake. Build them a house.

Dude, I would rather buy into the idea that writing 50,000 words of crap makes you a great novelist than buy into the delusion she's got going here.

Yes, some people are just destined to be writers/are the chosen of God/were hand-picked before birth to be among the great novelists.

And there's an Invisible Pink Unicorn who created the universe hanging out behind Jupiter, too.

Hey, one's as likely as the other.

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