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papervolcano ([info]papervolcano) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2005-05-06 17:21:00


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Mmm, Chocolately-flavoured spooge. Unfortunately, watered down spooge from being spread over several comms, but still, chocolate spooge.

So, once upon a time, [info]kiddeternity was watching the Cartoon Network when it went to an ad-break. And there was an advert for Hersheys that featured the line "You know, girls are nuts". [info]kiddeternity was so very offended by this that she felt she just had to

I am writing regarding a commercial I recently saw aired 11:41 pm, 05/04/05 on Cartoon Network.
The commercial features a be speckled young man, who states, matter-of-factly, "You know, girls are nuts to begin with, but when you give them chocolate, they flip out, and you're like, hey, want some chocolate, and they're like, SIGH, a chocolate, I love chocolate SO MUCH, it's a great way to meet women, you pull out a Hershey Bar".

As a woman (and, I must add a FORMER Hershey customer), I am incredibly offended AND appalled by this ad. Not only do you make it perfectly clear that you feel the women who buy your candy are "nuts", but you also must think that we're idiots as well. The nerve of you to air a commercial so blatantly, rampantly misogynistic! It is bad enough that women have to deal with people in day to day life condescending to us at the drop of a hat; for a major company such as yourself to be so socially irresponsible as to air a commercial such as this one is simply unacceptable. "It's just an ad for chocolate", you may counter to my complaint. To that I ask you: If you make it acceptable to demean women to SELL CHOCOLATE, what message does that send? Is it OK to demean women and insult their sanity to sell stock? A car? Their wages?
So as a woman who's "nuts to begin with", who "flip[s] out" about your commercial insulting her, I say-- keep your chocolate. I don't want it anymore. I'm sure I'm not the only intelligent woman who can see she's being insulted and devalued to make you a buck.

KidEternity [ I used my real name, which most of you know, but I don't feel comfortable posting in LJ],
Woman, Feminist, PERSON and New College of Florida Alumni, Class of 2001-- In, yep, you guessed it-- Gender Studies.




But, not content with being a lone voice, [info]kiddeternity felt it nessesary to inform more people of her wonderful act - to encourage them to follow in her footsteps of advertising RAGE, she crossposted to all of the communities she's a member of: [info]20sknitters (young knitters) [info]_fake_it (synthetic hair) [info]_grrl_splendor_ (alternative style) [info]antimonyandlace (goth fashion) [info]asobiseksu (New York band Asobi Seksu) [info]lush_sing_sing (Emma Anderson, and her music projects Lush, and Sing Sing) [info]novcollinvis (some sort of RPG) [info]realvast (Vast, the band) [info]synthetichair (more synthetic hair) [info]tbm (The Birthday Massacre, another band) [info]the_cranes (another band - the Cranes) [info]tshirt_surgery (tshirts, and what to do with them) [info]wolfsheim_fans (another band - Wolfsheim)



Unusually for a knitting community, [info]20sknitters doesn't splooge much - people's general reactions are "meh", although [info]sandbbrown points out that Isn't that porn-ame time anyway? And, by the way, aren't you going a little "nuts" over chocolate?. [info]lizzie9208 makes an early start with "I love your icon! I love your icon! It really brings your point across about not exploiting and sterotyping women! ha ha!

Spamming is fun, isn't it?"
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[info]lizzie9208 appears to loathe offtopic crossposting, as we shall see when she responds to every single crosspost with the same comment, as well as visiting [info]kiddeternity's journal.

[info]_grrl_splendor_'s reaction tends more toward the "WTF", with a delightfully violent reaction from [info]cypher - I hope your legs get cut off at the knee in a train wreck

The Vast fans at [info]realvast have a somewhat stronger reaction with comments like:

[info]zooey - bet you're one of those women who wants history to be changed to herstory, too.

[info]synthesizor - Gender Studies... give me a break. i'm sure that's a booming industry.

[info]chaoset - Get out of the godsdamned 60's/70's. Feminism is a dead scene. We already know you're a "person."

[info]lizzie9208 - Don't you have some laundry to do or something? A pie to bake? Something more productive than spamming every single community you're in because you're a hypocritical moron?

[info]xveinsofglassx - Heh, if you look at her other icons, one is a devil with her tits showing and I looked through her journal for the hell of it and found this statement....

"I showed my breasts to a roadie to get backstage at a show"

Now please explain to me how that is acceptable and not degrading at all when a lame fucking commercial has her soiling her panties in rage.

david - People that get offended more often than not deserve it. Open your mind, fuck political correctness.

[info]synthetichair Don't really care, but [info]mizsyn wins that thread with I think you need some chocolate ;)

Because it's not a proper wank without [info]conuly, she shows up in [info]tbm for a little first amendment wank

Next into the fray (or possibly not, I'm doing this alphabetically) is [info]tshirt_surgery, where there's a rape wank and lots of douches. Or douching, possibly.
[info]_n1qu3_, despite having never seen the advert in question, thinks the letter is a brilliant idea.

Finally, [info]wolfsheim_fans, where there are many feminists who just don't care, and [info]spooky_chan who doth spake - shut off your fucking TV, change your icon if you want to be super fem, and start talking Wolfsheim. No one forces you to watch the fucking TV. Besides, commercials are an insult to humanity its self, not just women.

WOLFSHEIM DAMNIT, talk about wolfsheim!



Now, that's it for the communities spammed, but [info]kiddeternity didn't much like the negative reaction to her letter, so she posted the following in her LJ -

I <3 getting flamed. (That's satire).

1. I DO care about women being raped. In Sudan, and here. I am one of them. (Not in the Sudan, obviously).
2. I DO have self-esteem issues. Mostly from being told, passively and aggressively in the media, that I'm nuts.
3. If you allow little things to slide, it allows for bigger things to happen. I believe that, and I stand by it.
4. I don't think only women sew. And I don't think only women give a shit about women's issues. And media representation is a woman's issue. Moreover, it's an American women's issue, because we seem to be one of few nations that think shit like this is OK.
5. I DO get offended by commercials representing men as buffoons. But I'm not a man, I'm a woman, so the Hershey's one hit closer to home.
6. I HAVE responded to things which I found degrading that were closer to home. I live in Tallahassee, the capital of Florida, if not in the buckle of the bible belt, in at least one of the belt loops.
7. I didn't ask to stir up controversy, I just asked for help in getting an ad pulled. If you disagree, don't e-mail. I posted in communities I'm part of because I felt that there would be at least one person who agreed with me who might be interested in helping it out. Hence my title of "Off Topic".

Just a portion of responses I won't address person by person.....ahh, the rudeness of cyberspace.


And the spammees come visiting. Notable among the >60 comments would be the minor flamefest between the overinvested [info]lizzie9208 and [info]2sixteen, and the wtfness of [info]patient_0 in this thread (examples include "as for her icon, you'll notice that it revels in the power of a truly feminine body type" and "In short, go fuck yourself sterile, because you obviously have nothing to contribute."). The thread also includes big graphics, accusations of being emo, and invocation of a [info]jurisimprudence law that I can't quite remember the name of.

But it's not over yet! Because way back in [info]tbm, there was a reply that someone thought worthy of a metaquote. Cue lots of people agressively Not Caring - some Not Caring enough to make several long comments. [info]vaspider lets us know (with big words, no less!) that spending time pointing and laughing at someone for wasting their time is incredibly ironic. I'm in the metaquotes thread, but I don't think it's enough to turn it into [info]i_wank material.




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[info]reinhardt
2005-05-06 07:07 pm UTC (link)
I think I saw that commercial. Do I have to turn in my feminist membership card because I don't find it offensive at all. Kind of stupid but hardly offensive.

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2005-05-06 08:02 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]papervolcano, 2005-05-09 07:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2005-05-06 08:06 pm UTC
Icon love! - [info]a_partridge, 2005-05-06 08:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-05-07 06:20 am UTC

[info]frau_eva
2005-05-06 07:10 pm UTC (link)
Jesus, what is up with her icon? I mean, someone who goes crazy over a commercial that says women flip over chocolate and majored in women's studies? With an icon of a scantily clad, melon-boobed woman with giant guns? Come on, tell me this is a troll.

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[info]llama_treats
2005-05-06 07:13 pm UTC (link)
*imagines kiddeternity's reaction to being cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs*

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(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2005-05-06 08:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2005-05-06 08:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lovelyzelda, 2005-05-06 08:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2005-05-06 09:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2005-05-06 08:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2005-05-06 09:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2005-05-06 09:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]llama_treats, 2005-05-06 09:10 pm UTC

[info]ororo
2005-05-06 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I did like Jane Doe's
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I did like Jane Doe's <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/community/tshirt_surgery/93487.html?thread=474159#t474159"comment</a> about explaining Plato to a poodle.

I'm with the metaquotes folks, though. Hershey's is inferior chocolate (and they changed their Special Dark recipe, damn them). I think on that basis alone, the commercial will die a natural death.

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[info]marlo
2005-05-06 07:40 pm UTC (link)
does [info]conuly ever SLEEP?

I don't know which is worse - the stupid feminist, or the idiot anti-PC anti-feminists.

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[info]quinctia
2005-05-06 07:42 pm UTC (link)
Who the hell majors in Gender Studies, and moreover, who would hire someone with such a degree (besides a university needing faculty for its gender studies department)?

*puzzled*

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(no subject) - [info]jaina, 2005-05-06 07:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-05-06 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-05-06 10:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-05-07 05:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2005-05-07 12:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-05-07 05:45 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-05-07 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annaham, 2005-05-09 10:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]quinctia, 2005-05-10 06:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annaham, 2005-05-10 08:16 pm UTC

[info]jaina
2005-05-06 07:44 pm UTC (link)
See, when I saw that commercial, I blinked a couple of times and said, "Wow, that was...vaguely offensive." My husband said "Yeah." And we left it at that.

But this girl? Crazeh. Cuckoo for cocoapuffs.

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[info]sarajayechan
2005-05-06 08:03 pm UTC (link)
I am writing regarding a commercial I recently saw aired 11:41 pm, 05/04/05 on Cartoon Network.
The commercial features a be speckled young man, who states, matter-of-factly, "You know, girls are nuts to begin with, but when you give them chocolate, they flip out, and you're like, hey, want some chocolate, and they're like, SIGH, a chocolate, I love chocolate SO MUCH, it's a great way to meet women, you pull out a Hershey Bar".

As a woman (and, I must add a FORMER Hershey customer), I am incredibly offended AND appalled by this ad. Not only do you make it perfectly clear that you feel the women who buy your candy are "nuts", but you also must think that we're idiots as well. The nerve of you to air a commercial so blatantly, rampantly misogynistic! It is bad enough that women have to deal with people in day to day life condescending to us at the drop of a hat; for a major company such as yourself to be so socially irresponsible as to air a commercial such as this one is simply unacceptable. "It's just an ad for chocolate", you may counter to my complaint. To that I ask you: If you make it acceptable to demean women to SELL CHOCOLATE, what message does that send? Is it OK to demean women and insult their sanity to sell stock? A car? Their wages?
So as a woman who's "nuts to begin with", who "flip[s] out" about your commercial insulting her, I say-- keep your chocolate. I don't want it anymore. I'm sure I'm not the only intelligent woman who can see she's being insulted and devalued to make you a buck.


...

Dude. IT'S A COMMERCIAL.

(I have a whole new appreciation for men and housewives and soft-spoken women, considering all the flack they get from these femnazis.)

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(no subject) - [info]mathilde, 2005-05-07 02:22 pm UTC

[info]gal_montag
2005-05-06 08:12 pm UTC (link)
I feel robbed, she didn't post it to [info]feminist_rage

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(no subject) - [info]greypearl, 2005-05-06 09:32 pm UTC
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[info]ivyincubus
2005-05-06 08:59 pm UTC (link)
I, too, hate that commercial, but not because it is demeaning to women. It is because the guy in the commerical saying he gets women to go crazy over chocolate has never talked to a woman in his life, let alone gotten a date with one.

C'mon, Hersheys. If you're going to tell us that men are plying us with chocolate, at least make them semi-normal. The guy you're using is just creepy.

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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2005-05-06 09:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2005-05-06 09:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loonylupinlover, 2005-05-07 06:18 am UTC

[info]lovelyzelda
2005-05-06 09:01 pm UTC (link)
If I wrote a letter for every commercial that bothers me, I'd...well, I probably wouldn't be the lazy person I am today, so I don't think I'd be watching that much TV.

I can't stand that one, but since I don't even like chocolate that much, it doesn't apply to me(I think Confused Hershey Guy would have to classify me as "male")

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[info]keri
2005-05-06 09:09 pm UTC (link)
1.) I thought that commercial was aimed so that men would buy more Hershey Bars instead of potato chips or something.

2.) I am SO ashamed of that girl, for degrading the name of New College in such a way. Lordy, when I was there, yeah, the grrls would get up-in-arms, but it was intelligently and with equal representation for other points of view. Though there were probably an improbable amount of young women with furry legs. *misses those days*

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[info]iris
2005-05-06 09:28 pm UTC (link)
2. I DO have self-esteem issues. Mostly from being told, passively and aggressively in the media, that I'm nuts.

So Hershey's is responsible for her self-esteem issues?

...okay!

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-05-06 09:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sarajayechan, 2005-05-06 10:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-05-07 05:58 am UTC

[info]smo
2005-05-06 09:42 pm UTC (link)
If she wants to bitch about a sexist commercial, why doesn't she go after those stupid Axe Cologne ads? You know, the ginormous subway station billboards that say dumb shit like, "Lingerie on the tracks may cause fires" and "One passenger per seat, please." (And then there's the picture of the bed with, like, 50 cups of water on the end table. WTF does that even mean? Wear Axe, and you'll be thirsty a lot?) TV ads only last a minute or so; I had to look at those bloody things in the Harvard Square T station for nigh on a month. I had such an urge to smack a fool, I can't begin to tell you.

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(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2005-05-06 09:51 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-05-07 05:43 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-05-06 10:29 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-05-07 01:38 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2005-05-07 09:20 am UTC
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[info]mastervex
2005-05-06 09:55 pm UTC (link)
I don't think I have enough time to be offended by all the fucking stupid shit that's in commercials.

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[info]kadath
2005-05-06 10:39 pm UTC (link)
All this is distracting from the central truth of the matter. Namely, Hershey's chocolate is utter shite.

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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2005-05-07 12:55 am UTC
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[info]blackjackrocket
2005-05-06 11:03 pm UTC (link)
Let me guess, she probably has a t-shirt that says "Boys are stupid, throw rocks at them"

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[info]megmurry
2005-05-07 12:14 am UTC (link)
"speckled young man"? Huh?

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(no subject) - [info]twocorpses, 2005-05-07 02:11 am UTC

[info]isntitironic
2005-05-07 12:32 am UTC (link)
I don't actually watch TV, so I haven't seen the commercial.

But my view is: if this commercial will encourage men to give me chocolate I don't have to pay for, play it until the bloody tape breaks.

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(no subject) - [info]twocorpses, 2005-05-07 02:12 am UTC

[info]loopywafflehead
2005-05-07 01:22 am UTC (link)
I hope your legs get cut off at the knee in a train wreck.

*wipes away tears* Best insult ever. That's just glorious.

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[info]entelodont
2005-05-07 05:09 am UTC (link)
1. I DO care about women being raped. In Sudan, and here. I am one of them. (Not in the Sudan, obviously).

I may be a bad person, but this made me giggle.

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[info]shinigami_co
2005-05-07 06:26 am UTC (link)
I saw the commercial. Probably the very commercial that got Miss Priss up in arms, since the only TV I've seen lately is one episode of Trigun on Adult Swim (damn you finals! *shakes fist*).

I was kind of tired and distracted, so I think the only reaction I had was "mmm, chocolate". But, please. A guy trying to pick up a girl with a Hershey bar is the equivalent of a ripe fanboy trying to pick up a chick at an anime convention with a box of pocky.

Yes, that did happen.

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[info]gal_montag
2005-05-07 08:10 am UTC (link)
Have we seen the wank in her journal yet? Man, she's got minons over there who aren't doing her any favors.

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[info]big_bad_wolf
2005-05-07 03:22 pm UTC (link)
Damn right. That 15,000 and rising is MINE, I SPENT IT AND THEY WILL NOT BE GETTING IT BACK BECAUSE I AM UNEMPLOYABLE.

*dance of the permanent dole scum*

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[info]darkvalkyrie
2005-05-07 05:32 pm UTC (link)
...her soul was destroyed by a Hershey's commercial?

Man, someone needs to grow a thicker skin.

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