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Dana (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} dana) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} otf_wank,@ 2005-06-02 11:20:00 |
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indonesian/australia relations
Might be of more interest for the Aussies, but it's fun for all.
I was going to put this in the i_wank community, because I wank (oh do I ever) but because it's not fandom related, I'll stick it here.
It's mostly a beautiful example of stupid, a very special kind of stupid.
In the Schapelle Corby community (yes, yes I know), I argue that the international community should boycott Indonesia because of their appalling internal human rights abuse. There are pros and cons to this, and much merit for both, it gets pretty passionate.
Then 'krystal' declares that Australia invaded Indonesia when it was invited into East Timor under a UN Peacekeeping force. There is disagreement.
Some samples from the thread:
diamonde
Hey, back up there. We NEVER invaded East Timor. Australian troops - along with soldiers from New Zealand, Thailand, Bangladesh, Portugal and a bunch of other countries - went in as UN-sanctioned peacekeepers to protect the Timorese people and remove the militia groups (Indonesia does not admit that these groups were Indonesian soldiers, although it is likely). Those milita groups were slaughtering and kidnapping Timorese people by the thousands, we've been thanked by the Timorese for contributing troops.
In small words... We did not invade Timor. We do not militarily occupy Timor. The Australian soldiers that are there are essentially on loan to the UN.
krystal:
In your childish one way mind you will think you have won....which ins not so...its just that as an adult I have more important things to do than argue with a fucking immature brat about what is right or wrong in another country that not only has she never been in...she also has probably not ever met someone even from there. We are not Indonesian...therefore it isnt our job the tell Indonesians hwo to run their country...the only way to do that is through war...GET IT NOW?
me:
If Indonesia believed there was an invasion, then we would be at war, they would also be at war with a dozen other countries. But there was no invasion, there weren't shots fired, there was no conflict.
You may believe that it was an invasion, but according to Australia, Indonesia, the international community and the UN it wasn't.
But maybe you know something they don't, who knows, you seem to have some special powers of knowledge!
krystal
Indonesia took over East Timor...the fucken SAME as fucking Palestine took over Israel hundreds of years ago...and now Israel wants to take back....same as while people went and took over American Indian lands....yet none of these matter to you...why?
Because you know nothing about them.
krystal
I dont believe that it is Australians soldiers jobs to possibly die...and go to war for another country.
then end you bore me with your petty reasoning.
The logic of Krystal is a thing of beauty. But the entire thread is interesting.
ETA: Also, Krystal's icon frightens me.
ETA: Again. Krystal vents her feelings about the debate in her Journal.
People I have spoken to in the Shapelle Corby community are like little close minded children not liking the kid in school cos he dresses differently or eats different foods....is it our job to go itno Israel and fucken get the land back that they stole from the Palestinians? No.Was it our job to tell Sth Africa that apartheid was wrong? NO. It is their fucken THEIR countries...and nothing a snivelling little immature mroon says about it is going to change that fact.
I have had enough of communities, they are close minded and I havnt found one yet that doesnt have a practically retarded opinionated freak that thinks they are gods gift and know everything.
AND I AM SICK TO FUCKEN DEATH OF BEING CALLED STUPID AND DUMB BECAUSE I DONT FUCKEN AGREE WITH WHAT A SILLY LITTLE TWAT SAYS.
GET A TEST ANY TEST...LETS COMPARE IQ'S SPASTICS.
Might be of more interest for the Aussies, but it's fun for all.
I was going to put this in the i_wank community, because I wank (oh do I ever) but because it's not fandom related, I'll stick it here.
It's mostly a beautiful example of stupid, a very special kind of stupid.
In the Schapelle Corby community (yes, yes I know), I argue that the international community should boycott Indonesia because of their appalling internal human rights abuse. There are pros and cons to this, and much merit for both, it gets pretty passionate.
Then 'krystal' declares that Australia invaded Indonesia when it was invited into East Timor under a UN Peacekeeping force. There is disagreement.
Some samples from the thread:
diamonde
Hey, back up there. We NEVER invaded East Timor. Australian troops - along with soldiers from New Zealand, Thailand, Bangladesh, Portugal and a bunch of other countries - went in as UN-sanctioned peacekeepers to protect the Timorese people and remove the militia groups (Indonesia does not admit that these groups were Indonesian soldiers, although it is likely). Those milita groups were slaughtering and kidnapping Timorese people by the thousands, we've been thanked by the Timorese for contributing troops.
In small words... We did not invade Timor. We do not militarily occupy Timor. The Australian soldiers that are there are essentially on loan to the UN.
krystal:
In your childish one way mind you will think you have won....which ins not so...its just that as an adult I have more important things to do than argue with a fucking immature brat about what is right or wrong in another country that not only has she never been in...she also has probably not ever met someone even from there. We are not Indonesian...therefore it isnt our job the tell Indonesians hwo to run their country...the only way to do that is through war...GET IT NOW?
me:
If Indonesia believed there was an invasion, then we would be at war, they would also be at war with a dozen other countries. But there was no invasion, there weren't shots fired, there was no conflict.
You may believe that it was an invasion, but according to Australia, Indonesia, the international community and the UN it wasn't.
But maybe you know something they don't, who knows, you seem to have some special powers of knowledge!
krystal
Indonesia took over East Timor...the fucken SAME as fucking Palestine took over Israel hundreds of years ago...and now Israel wants to take back....same as while people went and took over American Indian lands....yet none of these matter to you...why?
Because you know nothing about them.
krystal
I dont believe that it is Australians soldiers jobs to possibly die...and go to war for another country.
then end you bore me with your petty reasoning.
The logic of Krystal is a thing of beauty. But the entire thread is interesting.
ETA: Also, Krystal's icon frightens me.
ETA: Again. Krystal vents her feelings about the debate in her Journal.
People I have spoken to in the Shapelle Corby community are like little close minded children not liking the kid in school cos he dresses differently or eats different foods....is it our job to go itno Israel and fucken get the land back that they stole from the Palestinians? No.Was it our job to tell Sth Africa that apartheid was wrong? NO. It is their fucken THEIR countries...and nothing a snivelling little immature mroon says about it is going to change that fact.
I have had enough of communities, they are close minded and I havnt found one yet that doesnt have a practically retarded opinionated freak that thinks they are gods gift and know everything.
AND I AM SICK TO FUCKEN DEATH OF BEING CALLED STUPID AND DUMB BECAUSE I DONT FUCKEN AGREE WITH WHAT A SILLY LITTLE TWAT SAYS.
GET A TEST ANY TEST...LETS COMPARE IQ'S SPASTICS.
