Current mood:

Unrepentant

When Anti-Christians Attack!
Over in NonWiccanPagans, Forestwraith posts about the [PAGANS: How Christian are you? Test] (must signed up to lousy dating service in order to take). Other pagans weigh in with their scores and their commentary, most to the effect that the quiz maker seems to think Christianity and Paganism are mutually exclusive.

Everyting above 45% appears to be Christian in Denial

CHRISTIAN IN DENIAL
You are kidding yourself and everyone around you. You are just a christian in denial. Give it up and go back to church: you don't understand any wordlview or religion other than christianity, and you drag your christianity into everything you try to do to seperate yourself from it. Get lost, Jesus fish brain!

son_of_art, the apparent creator of the test, weighs int o tell everyone they aren't pagan - they are in fact OMG dirty rotten CHRISTIANS!!!

Some choice exerpts from son_of_art:
"Your morals about sex are shaped by christianity. Why don't you reconsider them from the lens of actual pagan beliefs?

Your idea that books are more important than the effect that they have on the world is also a christian "bible-worshipping" impulse that you have not overcome yet.

You cannot be a witch and a christian. See the bible for what Hell awaits those who practise magic, divination, or have "familiar spirits".

All Gods are not aspects of one, and no pagans outside of Plato's stupid tiny anti-greek and anti-pagan school of thinking ever thought so.

Love is VERY important, and GODS can send messages. But there is no "one god" and Love is not just a matter of being a moral christian." [link]

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"The problem with christianity isn't just PEOPLE MISINTERPRETING it. That is what christians try to say to avoid the responsibility for the FACT that their religion teaches hate and intolerance IN THE BIBLE. There's no danger of misinterpreting the bible, when it says "Kill gay people" or "only jesus can get you to heaven- you diviners, adulterers, pagans, false god followers, and fornicators are all going to burn", which it DOES actually say." [link]

"They've already done it. You are a disgusting traitor to the true Spirit of the Past, our sacred Ancestors, and the True Gods. You are a defender of christianity, and I wish I could be a fly on the walls of the Underworld when you are smothered amongst the shades of obscurity." [link]

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"Guys... guys... come on! The Quiz wasn't meant to be taken this seriously." [link]

(further in that thread) "If it wouldn't be for that Koran, women would not be suffering so much. Think about other people for once."

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"It is a fact that the dead drink from the Well of Forgetfulness." [link]

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forest_wraith's brief note near the end:

"The 2 of you that are upset, are just irriated because you had to face up to being a Christian in denial! *giggles*" [link]

And as a bonus, a mini grudge match between son_of_art and wire_mother!

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	ladybirdsleeps 2005-06-03 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	A good portion of your former christianity still holds power over you. It's just below the surface, threatening to pour out. Apparently, believing that the Bible and Koran are worth protecting and that you can be a witch and a Christian at the same time means that my inner Christianity is just WAITING to burst out. snork! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	goldberry 2005-06-04 06:56 pm UTC (link)
	No kidding - I thought the whole third-generation atheist thing made me pretty safe, but apparently that was just wishful thinking. Who knew? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	radiotrash 2005-06-03 08:50 pm UTC (link)
	Christians = Nazi's! Who knew? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	omega 2005-06-04 09:01 am UTC (link)
	The vast majority of the Lutheran churches of Germany during WWII? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	radiotrash 2005-06-04 09:29 am UTC (link)
	XD! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	phosfate 2005-06-03 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	Don't you have to, like, believe in Jesus or something to be a Christian? (Reply to this)

	atalantapendrag 2005-06-03 09:15 pm UTC (link)
	...Plato was anti-Greek? Oh, wait, anti-greek. The lowercase g must make a difference. I took that quiz. Apparently I'm a Christian in denial too. Which makes the pentagram tattoo on my chest a bit odd, I suppose. (Reply to this)

	zaliesiren 2005-06-03 09:29 pm UTC (link)
	Boy has a few warped conceptions don't he? (Reply to this)(Thread)

photosinensis
2005-06-04 02:34 am UTC (link)

Oh dear goodness, yes. He's got a lot of hatred for someone who tries to be a part of any religion that bases itself on love.

He seems to be more of a Christian than any kind of paganist. After all, paganism isn't even one organized movement, but a catch-all term for traditional, non-mainstream religions--some of which fill the bill of being Christian as well.

Warped conceptions, indeed.

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necronomist
2005-06-05 06:05 am UTC (link)

"He's got a lot of hatred for someone who tries to be a part of any religion that bases itself on love."

I cannot figure what he wants people to base their lives on. I mean, different pantheons require different virtues. The Greeks prized order and beauty, the Celts were all about honor and eloquence, and more I forgot.

I do not know of any pantheon that is based on writing stupid quizzes and flaming.

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	necronomist 2005-06-05 07:08 pm UTC (link)
	Also, I notice no mention of Hinduism and Judaism by son _of_art. I guess it is harder to bullshit about continuously practiced religions that are more than 2000 years old. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kookaburra 2005-06-06 07:42 am UTC (link)
	Wouldn't Hinduism count as paganism though? I always thought paganism, in the generic sense, meant any religion that was not Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. (Which is why I always give one of my non-religious friends a funny look when she starts going on about how she loves paganism's belief system, 'cause I'm like, Dude? Which one? There's quite a few.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

necronomist
2005-06-06 04:53 pm UTC (link)

*nod* I know some neo-pagans who do have an interest in the Hindu pantheon. I am not sure if they would call it pagan, but I see no reason why not.

As for son_of_art, I came to that conclusion because there is no mention that, yes, in at least one major polytheistic religion, the gods are considered part of one greater source. Hell, I associate that belief with Hinduism than with Christianity.

There was also no mention of mystical traditions in monotheistic religions. The Hebrew Bible, especially, made a distinction between miracles from belief in the God of Israel and what all them other tribes try to do (and necromancy--I remember that as a big no-no).

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	aerobot 2005-06-04 08:28 am UTC (link)
	I know. He's just like a fundie. Instead of those 'heathen religions' influencing people, it's christianity. Hellooooo irony. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pyratejenni 2005-06-03 09:33 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, god, not son_of_art again. It was his pissing match with swisscelt that led to swisscelt trying to "prove" the wrongness of allowing a troll intot he templeofthecat community....by trolling the templeofthecat community. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	squib 2005-06-04 03:17 am UTC (link)
	He trolls all the religious comms. I mod nonliberalpagan and he hit that too. He's the Pagan Not-Bob. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-06-03 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	I tried to ask in there if there was a category for "person trying so hard to rebel against their parents' religion that they had a bug up their butt the size of an emu." I wonder if my comment was accepted? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-06-03 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	oops -- the above was from me, Queencallipygos on LJ. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	greypearl 2005-06-04 12:28 am UTC (link)
	Last time I checked, Christianity didn't have cooties. I also wonder if son_of_art couldn't stand his vegetables touching on his dinner plate when he was a child. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kookaburra 2005-06-05 06:39 am UTC (link)
	When I go home, I'm so chasing my pagan friends around threatening to get cooties on them. And I'll be catechumen in the Greek Orthodox Church by then, so they'll be, like, super-cooties, man. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	greenling 2005-06-04 12:29 am UTC (link)
	See the bible for what Hell awaits those who practise magic, divination, or have "familiar spirits". See also the Bible for why Leviticus is pointless and for the cute little story of the sorcerer where the phrase "he who is not against me is with me" comes from. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	ianthefira 2005-06-04 11:25 am UTC (link)
	Besides, doesn't Christianity effectively cancel out a lot about of what's in the Old Testament? I'm fuzzy on the specifics. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	greenling 2005-06-05 12:27 am UTC (link)
	That's what I meant about Leviticus. g The sorceror story's Jesus' stuff, though. It's in, ah... googles Matthew. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	moonjaguar 2005-06-04 01:47 am UTC (link)
	You cannot be a witch and a christian. Too late! (do I get a choice of sides with that Hell handbasket? Extra Jesus fish brains since according to that quiz I am one?) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	photosinensis 2005-06-04 02:38 am UTC (link)
	I personally identify as a Christian Occultist. So, if I do get a choice of sides, I'd like to see. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-06-04 01:58 am UTC (link)
	OKCupid is fun! Especially because it lets you write your own bizarre/amusing/confusing quizzes. (Reply to this)

	hellespont 2005-06-04 05:50 am UTC (link)
	I wish I could be a fly on the walls of the Underworld when you are smothered amongst the shades of obscurity That's pretty grim, but it doesn't beat out my usual curse, courtesy of one Mr. Garrison Keillor: "May your soul be forever tormented by fire and your bones be dug up by dogs and dragged through the streets of Minneapolis." Put that in your pipe and smoke it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-06-04 09:04 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm. I usually go with "May you wake to find you were only ever a dream." You win super extra mondo bonus points if you can guess were I ganked it from. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2005-06-04 08:25 am UTC (link)
	Wow, I think my eyes just rolled out of my head. "OMG u suuuuuuuck!!11 im not mean, u STARTD IT!!11! STUPID XIAN!!11" Newsflash; Wiccans weren't the only group who got persecuted. And I doubt they whine as fucking much. (Reply to this)

kroki_refur
2005-06-04 10:12 pm UTC (link)

The Roman Empire didn't take away the basic rights of people, especially the right to worship as they choose, according to the ways of their ancestors.

The Romans didn't walk around the world killing people for stupid reasons... at times, [they were] imperialistic

Christianity destroyed literacy.

Rome didn't commit genocide.

ALL people could be Roman Citizens.

...

There are no words...

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	kookaburra 2005-06-05 02:53 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, 'cause, it wasn't like the monasteries and convents were one of the only places to get an education in the European dark ages or anything. Also, I am sad- I am a Christian, and I only scored 64% on the test. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaimonkey 2005-06-06 06:39 am UTC (link)
	72%! Haha, I am more non-Pagan/Christian than you! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	necronomist 2005-06-05 05:58 am UTC (link)
	"The Roman Empire didn't take away the basic rights of people, especially the right to worship as they choose, according to the ways of their ancestors." Excuse me, One True Wicca boy? I have some ancient Judeans who disagree with you. Oh, right, precursors to feeelthy Xians. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

greypearl
2005-06-05 03:20 pm UTC (link)

I have some ancient Judeans who disagree with you.

*nods vehemently*

Someone obviously doesn't understand their Roman history. Rome's strategy in incorporating territories into their citizenship was that they would incorporate the territory's gods into their pantheon, while the territory would do the same for Roman gods. This, obviously, wouldn't exactly work for the monotheistic religions.

It was political strategy, not some sort of concept of religious freedoms, that was involved in the situation. At least, this is what I gathered from my Roman history class.

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	hellespont 2005-06-05 08:23 am UTC (link)
	The Romans didn't walk around the world killing people for stupid reasons... Of course not. All their reasons were excellent ones. Who wouldn't want a nice heaping helping of Gaul tacked on to their borders? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tenma 2005-06-05 04:45 am UTC (link)
	Is the only answer for the quiz "Christian in denial"? I got 24% and was still in denial, and I'm neither a pagan or christian, I just picked random answers. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	elle 2005-06-05 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	I re-tried it, trying to skew towards "right" answers (i.e: as intolerant as possible), got 17% and am apparently still in denial and my paganism won't last. Oh, but I'm trying. I guess my hate isn't strong enough. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kookaburra 2005-06-05 06:24 pm UTC (link)
	You have to put "false" on every answer. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaimonkey 2005-06-06 06:38 am UTC (link)
	And here, children, we have a paradox! Exhibit A: hate and intolerance ... "only jesus can get you to heaven- you diviners, adulterers, pagans, false god followers, and fornicators are all going to burn", Exhibit B: You are a defender of christianity, and I wish I could be a fly on the walls of the Underworld when you are smothered amongst the shades of obscurity (Reply to this)(Thread)

	necronomist 2005-06-06 04:57 pm UTC (link)
	No, silly, if it is in the Bible, then it cannot happen. However, it is ~~beamed into son_of_art's head~~ in ~~the Cliff Notes to~~ Greek mythology, it is so true. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	selene_avis 2005-06-06 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	I got "Christian in Denial" at 56%. Excepting things like weddings and funerals, I've been to chuch like...um...twice. (Reply to this)