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coyote ([info]coyote) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2005-07-27 13:55:00


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Current mood:*thud*

Book-burning wank, with bonus superhappyfun double plus banning!

[info]churchoferik on LJ is a community devoted to loving and worshipping all things Leroux. For the unintiated, Gaston Leroux wrote Phantom of the Opera, which was later appropriated and many feel butchered by Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber in the eighties.

M. Webber has a friend, Frederick Forsyth, who wrote a book that purported to be the sequel to Phantom of the Opera, called Phantom of Manhatten. This books is widely loathed by the fandom "phandom." I myself have not read it, but whatever.

Anyway. [info]shadowbree posts to the comm, saying that she borrowed her library's copy of the book and ritually burned it in her backyard. The first few comments are supportive of her actions.

What the hell? No. You never burn a book, no matter how much you hate it. That just ain't cool.






This entire post and comment made me cry.

You fucking BURNED A BOOK!?! You burned a book because you didn't like it. I don't care what book it was, you FUCKING BURNED A BOOK! I've NEVER hated anyone online. But, I think I hate you. Burning that book actually makes me want to go out and buy a copy just so there will always be one safe. It has nothing to do with the content, the story or anything else....it's just the fact that YOU FUCKING BURNED A BOOK! WTF is wrong with you. I'm sick...I have to go throw up.







That is so totally not cool. I threw the book in disgust, I laughed when I got it and it looked like the person who had had it before me tried to drown it, but I would never never NEVER in a million years actually burn a book, and I would never be the one to try to drown it myself. Books are precious to me, no matter how awful they are. I would never willingly or knowingly act as a destroyer of a book.






I agree. Just because you don't like a book doesn't mean that no one else does - I'm sure there is someone out there who does like Phantom Of Manhattan (not me personally - I didn't like it either but I can think of plenty of times when I loved something that my friends hated. And I have seen reviewers on Amazon who did like it.)

It would have been different had you bought or been given the book and then decided to burn it - because then it would have been yours and you could technically do whatever you wanted to it. But burning a library book is just wrong - a) it's not yours (so you are technically stealing it) and b) you are depriving other people from enjoying it. Yes, yes I know, PoM was awful but that's only our opinion - imagine someone took your library's only copy of Leroux or Kay and decided to burn it because they didn't like it.








All I can offer to that is "wtf?" You're hilarious.

It was a STATEMENT. The book is still around. Tons of copies are still around. She was making a STATEMENT. Are you so mired in your little "omg I'm gonna throw up" tirade that you can't see that?







Wow. Overreact much? People use newspapers as kindling and burn it all the time. Should we keep all the newspapers in the world too?






I once scratched up the CD of a man who I hated...and I burned the CD insert in effigy. Does this make me a bad person in your eyes too?

At any rate, I'm not going to get into some big immature argument over this. But I will say this...there is a HUGE difference between HItler calling for burning of all books of a certain type. And someone making one statement with one book in her own backyard. If you can't see that, then *I* feel sorry for you.







And so forth. And don't miss this fascinating little subthread, where someone is banned for saying that they thought Forsyth had a point about Leroux's inconsistancies.



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[info]phosfate
2005-07-27 07:01 pm UTC (link)
At any rate, I'm not going to get into some big immature argument over this.

Too late!

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[info]naienko
2005-07-27 07:03 pm UTC (link)
LIBRARY BOOK. *thud*

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[info]coyote
2005-07-27 07:12 pm UTC (link)
I know, right? Jesus.

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(no subject) - [info]naienko, 2005-07-27 07:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]coyote, 2005-07-27 07:29 pm UTC

[info]mistressrenet
2005-07-27 09:30 pm UTC (link)
I know.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:35 pm UTC

[info]visp
2005-07-28 12:18 am UTC (link)
Not her property = not hers to destroy.

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(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-07-28 02:58 am UTC

[info]ironymaiden
2005-07-28 05:26 am UTC (link)
WTF LIBRARY BOOK.

Somewhere, there's an angry librarian revving up his or her chainsaw. And hopefully, billing this idiot.'

YOU CHECKED IT OUT OF THE LIBRARY, DIMWIT. THERE'S A RECORD OF YOU TAKING IT OUT AND YOU'LL BE FINED FOR IT BEING OVERDUE LIEK WHOA.

THINK before you commit an act of pretentiousness protest.

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(no subject) - [info]rinoared, 2005-07-28 08:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tyraarane_, 2005-07-28 04:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]naienko, 2005-07-28 10:44 pm UTC

[info]pragmatic
2005-07-27 07:08 pm UTC (link)
someone is banned for saying that they thought Forsyth had a point about Leroux's inconsistancies.

...

Yeah, I've got no words. Well, just one: "What?"

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(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2005-07-27 08:15 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 08:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2005-07-27 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2005-07-28 04:08 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-29 05:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]also_not_a_pipe, 2005-07-30 02:27 am UTC

[info]pepperlandgirl4
2005-07-27 07:36 pm UTC (link)
Dude, it was just a book, not a baby. Granted, she should have bought her own goddamned copy, but getting physically ill cuz one person burned what was probably mass-market paperback?

Get a fucking grip.

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[info]gloria_mundi
2005-07-27 07:37 pm UTC (link)
How old is Shadowbree? Anyone know? Is she aqauited with the Library rules or is it "Oooh! Free books! Tee hee!"

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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2005-07-27 07:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gloria_mundi, 2005-07-27 08:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2005-07-27 08:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ianthefira, 2005-07-27 08:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2005-07-27 08:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]napoleon, 2005-07-27 11:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]the_wanlorn, 2005-07-28 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]radiotrash, 2005-07-28 05:35 am UTC

[info]kadath
2005-07-27 08:17 pm UTC (link)
You fucking BURNED A BOOK!?!

They make great firestarters.

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Sockpuppets and sucking up galore!
(Anonymous)
2005-07-27 08:34 pm UTC (link)
Taking a break from "I shed a single tear for the single paperback that is totally threatening the Western world's free speech as we know it!":

lookingforwater
2005-07-27 19:02 (link (http://www.livejournal.com/community/churchoferik/37719.html?thread=511575#t511575))
Ruin all my fun, why doncha?

Well, then - see, technically, as I am underage, I shouldn't have a journalfen account. And enough people know the real age of this account that it's prudent to keep the two seperate.


Yeah, and she's doing a reeeeeeal good job of that by the looks of things.

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Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - [info]coyote, 2005-07-27 08:57 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - [info]coyote, 2005-07-27 08:58 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:08 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:18 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:23 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:46 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:50 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:55 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:04 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - [info]coyote, 2005-07-27 10:08 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:11 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:14 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:16 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:18 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - [info]coyote, 2005-07-27 10:05 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:13 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:35 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:18 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:34 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - [info]blackjackrocket, 2005-07-27 09:38 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:53 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - [info]phosfate, 2005-07-27 10:59 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:42 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:53 pm UTC
Re: Sockpuppets and sucking up galore! - (Anonymous), 2005-07-28 01:06 am UTC

[info]slothrop
2005-07-27 08:53 pm UTC (link)
I once ran out of starters for the fireplace and tossed my copy of Jackie Collins' Lady Boss in as kindling. Best fifty cents I ever spent.

The difference being, of course, I actually owned the book instead of say, destroying property that isn't actually mine.

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[info]deoridhe
2005-07-27 08:59 pm UTC (link)
I've always thought it would be an incredible ironic statement to burn Farenheit 451.

...

yeah.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-28 04:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2005-07-28 09:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonpigeon, 2005-07-29 08:41 am UTC

[info]teratologist
2005-07-27 09:09 pm UTC (link)
What an impactful statement. I'm sure that Mr. Forsyth shed a single tear as the pages curled...

And then did a happy monkey dance when the library had to order a new copy, thus contributing to his royalties.

Still, my inner librarian* must arch her eyebrow and tsk disapprovingly.

*It's genetic, I can't help it.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2005-07-27 09:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 09:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]marlo, 2005-07-27 10:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 11:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2005-07-28 01:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2005-07-28 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2005-07-28 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2005-07-28 03:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2005-07-28 03:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2005-07-28 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nekoneko, 2005-07-28 04:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2005-07-28 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]drworm, 2005-07-27 11:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teratologist, 2005-07-28 02:15 am UTC

[info]greenglass
2005-07-27 09:55 pm UTC (link)
But the library is just going to have to buy another copy, which she'll have ot pay for, and the author will get more money.

Not exactly a well thought out plan.

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2005-07-27 10:03 pm UTC (link)
I wonder what they think about using pages from the Bible to roll cigarettes.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 10:09 pm UTC
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(no subject) - flightstothesea, 2005-07-28 05:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2005-07-28 06:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]vasaris, 2005-07-28 09:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shinigami_co, 2005-08-01 02:52 am UTC

[info]smo
2005-07-27 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Christ. Now, as if libraries weren't broke enough already, she's going to force that one to buy a new copy. What a bitch.

That said, I don't think the fact that she ritually burned a book is ZOMG EVIL, or even worth throwing up over. It's just... buy it yourself first, mmkay?

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(no subject) - [info]ahiru, 2005-07-28 05:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-07-28 11:00 pm UTC

[info]lurker32
2005-07-27 11:09 pm UTC (link)
Wank from Phans? I'm shocked, shocked.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-27 11:18 pm UTC (link)
Well f**k me! LJ is full of librarians... I would never have guessed...

BTW the banning thing is a joke, I think. Although I thought the whole thing was a joke, and have been bitched at accordingly.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-27 11:48 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-07-28 11:01 pm UTC

[info]oxydosic
2005-07-28 01:25 am UTC (link)
*inserts obligatory Nazi book burning reference*

Hey, someone had to do it.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-28 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-28 01:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mindset, 2005-07-28 02:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-07-28 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ironymaiden, 2005-07-28 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-07-28 09:13 am UTC

[info]sarracenia
2005-07-28 04:29 am UTC (link)
You know, I love the people who can't even figure out that they're giving the authors money by doing stuff like this. I mean, dude. If you hate a book so much you want to burn it, at least buy it at the used bookstore so that the author doesn't get any money from it.

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orangutan
2005-07-28 06:13 am UTC (link)
I wonder if it's just desperate, delusional hope that makes me think she's only claiming to have burnt it to try and look cool in front of the other (it curdles my blood to use this phrase) "phannies", and didn't actually do it.

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[info]eilan
2005-07-28 09:15 am UTC (link)
My sister is a librarian. She would stangle that girl.

Wait, is this girl saying that the library won't notice anyway or am I dreaming?

If a book hasn't been checked out twice in more than two years, then it's taken out of the system. If we go into the computer and find out it is missing they figure, "Oh this person must have really liked this book and kept it! So, we're going to replace it."

Darling, they will notice. That's what computers are there for.

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(no subject) - [info]zing_och, 2005-07-30 09:56 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-07-28 12:47 pm UTC (link)
Now, really. If you're going to make a statement against bad literature, the least you could do is burn a Dan Brown book. That man makes Forsyth look like the next Shakespeare.

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(no subject) - [info]moonpigeon, 2005-07-29 08:45 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-07-29 11:27 am UTC

[info]also_not_a_pipe
2005-07-30 02:43 am UTC (link)
Okay, the ironic thing is that ninety percent of the books written on the Phantom of the Opera legend are crap. Forsyth isn't alone. She'd have to get a controlled burn permit for a merry, merry bonfire to make a statement about all the shite Phantom books out there.

Even the holy of holies, Susan Kay's "Phantom"...eh. Loved it when I was fifteen, but that enduring love has given way to trying to decide whether or not it'd be ethical to tape the cover back on my paperbacked edition that I read the shit out of way back when and start it at twenty bucks on eBay.

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