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Jen Littlebottom ([info]dwarfjen) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2005-08-07 12:16:00
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Heh. Heh. Heh.
Critters is a online writing workshop that has a couple of newsgroups attached.

Edward Knight is the editor of a magazine called Amazing Journeys.

Ed Knight posts to the Critters newsgroup asking for submissions for the next issue.

Some people comment on the magazine guidelines and pay-rates and suchlike. (the magazine only takes North American writers and 'will never publish gay or lesbian work, so don't bother.') Wank ensues.

It bubbles over here, here, and in a couple of livejournal posts.

ETA: Didn't spot this quote before, thankee [info]cleolinda
I view it like this, if the magazine was fifty years old would your story be acceptable? Fifty years ago you didn't read about openly homosexual people. There were plenty of them and some characters in fiction were that way, but it wasn't ever openly and obviously discussed.

Obviously his magazine operates a don't ask, don't tell policy.

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[info]azhidahaki
2005-08-07 03:34 pm UTC (link)
If I may leave with one word of advice to the panel members here: Editors, both small and large, provide the hand that may some day feed you; don't bite it.

Wow, how-------professional of him.....

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[info]gorogoro
2005-08-07 03:52 pm UTC (link)
Boy, between this kind of stuff, that whole Lee Goldberg wank back a while ago, and so on, I just have a sincere lack of interest in reading pretty much anything that's actually been published these days.

(Obviously time to step awaaaaay from the wank.)

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[info]drworm
2005-08-07 05:23 pm UTC (link)
Oh, the pretentiousness! It burnnnnnnnssss us, precioussss.

That being said, all this passive-aggressive, convoluted shit is exactly why my own original stories sit on my hard drive and do nothing.

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[info]cleolinda
2005-08-07 07:22 pm UTC (link)
I view it like this, if the magazine was fifty years old would your story be acceptable? Fifty years ago you didn't read about openly homosexual people. There were plenty of them and some characters in fiction were that way, but it wasn't ever openly and obviously discussed.

Nice.

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[info]dwarfjen
2005-08-07 07:31 pm UTC (link)
o.O

Missed that one. *edits main post*

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(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2005-08-07 08:56 pm UTC

[info]smo
2005-08-07 08:11 pm UTC (link)
And obviously, we should do everything the way it was done fifty years ago.

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(no subject) - [info]zaliesiren, 2005-08-07 08:23 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-07 09:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - ealusaid, 2005-08-08 03:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-08 03:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]enoh, 2005-08-08 09:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittikattie, 2005-08-08 08:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-08 04:21 pm UTC
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[info]smo
2005-08-07 08:09 pm UTC (link)
I'm not a gay basher; there is no hatred in my heart for folks who choose that lifestyle. But, my own beliefs will not allow me to promote it in our publications either. On the other hand, you'll never see an anti-gay word published here either.

Oh. Well, in that case, I guess it's okay.

Asshole. I now want to send him some of my gay anime smut, just to give him a coronary.

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[info]fuzzytowers
2005-08-08 01:06 am UTC (link)
Doya think Bondage Fairies fanfic is Sci-Fi or Fantasy?

*ponders submissing submission submissives... Damn. Now I have to go find some pR0n.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-08 03:10 am UTC

redwarrior
2005-08-09 10:06 pm UTC (link)
Umm, he called it a "choice" and a "lifestyle". Explain to me how that isn't anti-gay.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-09 10:11 pm UTC

[info]sashenka
2005-08-07 08:40 pm UTC (link)
I understand thinking that he's homophobic, but who cares about the publication? If you have stuff that *he* won't tale, there are plenty of other magazines that will pay you $20 for gay stories, so who cares? Just don't buy the magazine... *shakes head* so futile, so stupid...

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[info]dwarfjen
2005-08-07 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Oh, this is definitely a double-sided wank. *G* Particularly the people on the newsgroup jumping on him like gangbangs are going out of fashion.

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[info]funwithrage
2005-08-08 12:37 am UTC (link)
While I was not involved, I can understand the reaction he got, which was, essentially: dude, most of us write in and for the modern world, and you come off as a homophobic git.


I never have and never would turn down a market because of its pay rate.* I have and would turn down markets because they're run by sanctimonious dipshits who fear non-baby-making sex.


*I don't try to sell to college magazines, granted, for about the opposite reason. Magazines that'll publish poetry about the angry lesbian breasts of the latest Wymyn's Stydies major are not magazines I want to list as publishing credits.

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[info]milkshake
2005-08-07 09:59 pm UTC (link)
I just can't get past the horrible cover of that magazine. I'm petty.

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[info]nebbieq
2005-08-07 10:38 pm UTC (link)
I know. The title reminds me of the Power Point projects I saw in high school.

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(no subject) - [info]tangentialone, 2005-08-07 11:52 pm UTC

[info]fuzzytowers
2005-08-08 01:17 am UTC (link)
Um, have you seen the Penis Power! Unparalleled Journeys: Tales From the Writers of Amazing Journeys Magazine!

Someone has SO got to make an icon from that picture. I'm begging here.

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(no subject) - [info]milkshake, 2005-08-08 01:31 am UTC
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[info]greenling
2005-08-08 03:39 am UTC (link)
Bah. If they can't pay for a decent graphic designer, they're not professional enough to be worth someone's time.

Whoever decided on that hideous tiled illustration for the background should have their monitor broken.

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[info]phosfate
2005-08-09 04:09 pm UTC (link)
*nods* UberXena novels scrape together better covers than that.

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tourette
2005-08-07 10:32 pm UTC (link)
I view it like this, if the magazine was fifty years old would your story be acceptable? Fifty years ago you didn't read about openly homosexual people. There were plenty of them and some characters in fiction were that way, but it wasn't ever openly and obviously discussed.

I am confused as to what this has to do with anything at all. Fifty years ago, magazines mightn't have wanted stories about mixed-race relationships, even if they were faithful heterosexual marriages. Does that mean we should stick to "tradition"? Am I going mad?

Ah well. As Sashenka says, there's other magazines that doubtless better deserve the contributions and publicity.

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[info]limyaael
2005-08-08 12:53 am UTC (link)
I may be wrong, but I have "met" online a few people who were published in Amazing Journeys, and most of them were strongly Christian and viewed themselves as holding back the "tide of change." Fifty years ago is, I guess, a pretty good place in the minds of people like that.

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[info]toasterkitten
2005-08-08 02:04 am UTC (link)
what the hell happened to the cover of that magazine? it looks like they took a so-so photo, then ran it through a high school media arts class.

It appears that many of you would prefer to "keep your work in a drawer" rather than build a readership. Please note [...] that AJM is simply a stepping stone to our anthologies which pay better and for which we do not accept unsolicited work.
sounds like a pyramid scheme to me!

i think it would have made more sense to leave it at "ABSOLUTELY NO SEXUAL CONTENT WILL BE ACCEPTED." that's more of a big, dull, all-exclusive blanket.

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[info]smo
2005-08-08 03:14 am UTC (link)
Yes, but then he wouldn't be able to carry out his mission as a sci-fi magazine editor to stem the flow of the spreading homosexual menace! After all, isn't that what sci-fi is all about - the stopping of Teh Ghei?

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(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-08-08 03:22 am UTC
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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-08-08 03:20 am UTC (link)
Jesus... "I'm an editor so you must all bow down and worship me"-complex, much?

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(no subject) - [info]akairis, 2005-08-09 11:49 am UTC

[info]michmatch
2005-08-08 03:37 am UTC (link)
Considering that not accepting reprints was one of the problems the Critters had with him, I found this from one of his defenders amusing-

So, to see writers so casually dismiss an editor's call for submissions is ridiculous. The last time Ed made a call for subs I pulled out a reprint and sent it his way. Guess what? He bought it.


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[info]kannaophelia
2005-08-08 03:59 am UTC (link)
It's true, you know. I think I can guarantee that nobody in the Critters ng has ever run across the term "nitch marketing".

They probably don't even know what a nitch IS

I do love Ingrate. Points for the posting name, too.

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(no subject) - [info]jat_sapphire, 2005-08-08 04:11 am UTC

[info]beccastareyes
2005-08-08 06:30 am UTC (link)
I view it like this, if the magazine was fifty years old would your story be acceptable? Fifty years ago you didn't read about openly homosexual people. There were plenty of them and some characters in fiction were that way, but it wasn't ever openly and obviously discussed.

Um... someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Heinlein had at least passing mention of openly gay/lesbian characters, and some of his work is starting to near the fifty-year mark.

Besides, when scifi/fantasy has genderless characters, hermaphroditic characters, characters from wildly different cultures (With differing views on sexuality) and that have wildly different biologies, and so on, you get a grey area the size of Manhattan when it comes to 21st century labels.

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