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Keri ([info]keri) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2005-08-21 03:50:00


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Current mood:Mildly Amused

Iconrants Weekend Wank
Elite Icon Communities are the hot topic over at iconrants.

There's been a rush of wank recently, enough for mod [info]allyoops to call a 48 hour moratorium on the topic. She was nice enough to include links to five recent posts on the subject.

But I'll provide descriptions for you. Such as for this one from [info]the_true_slayer which isn't so much a rant as it is "Defence for Elite Communities". You'll find [info]nardasarmy, Allyoops, aRI and [info]sweetteeth15 going at it over aRI's right to post her post among other things, and later [info]satori_rahyne pipes up to say "shut up" and point out that the icons are fugly, which leads to more wank. Of course.

[info]sweetteeth15's post complaining about lack of comments for icons and crediting trends is also left off the list, probably because it isn't really about elite comms. Except that the entire post is referencing [info]n_o_c_t_u_r_n_e's previous post "of elitism, trends, and more peeves in the icon world". It's a bit tl;dr, but [info]byouki sums it up in a sentence: I give this rant ** out of ***** since it was pretty much a public blowjob to all the elite icon comms out there. That thread is full of gems, including Sweetteeth15's statement that she created a trend style! (and also, earlier, that her icon has a border, not a box, and they are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS).

[info]detoxcocktails made a post back on the 11th where she defended elite comms to the world, but with two pages of comments (and the first few are the "word!" variety), I'm not willing to slog through for the wank. But it's there, even if it's tiny.

The first post in the Iconrants comm about elite comms was from [info]supersyncspaz7 who bitches about being rejected when her icons weren't THAT bad, and again, not much wank, but [info]detoxcocktails and [info]sweetteeth15 show up. And like [info]detoxcocktails' post, it helps set the stage for the recent posts.

[info]sleepall_day's elite comm rant is friendlocked and mostly not wanky, but it's there if you want to join the comm and read it for yet ANOTHER complaint about the elites.


I've definitely missed some wanky stuff, and I probably should have put this on [info]i_wank due to my own comments to [info]the_true_slayer about how her own icon is crap and hopefully not indicative of the quality of her elite community, but it's only one teensy comment in a whole series of bitchings with a lot of much wankier/more stupid things to laugh at.



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[info]pokecheck
2005-08-21 09:26 am UTC (link)


Hmmmm, I may need to upgrade my icon...

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[info]luckdragonfujur
2005-08-21 07:32 pm UTC (link)
That icon it's great XD

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[info]crickets
2005-08-21 09:39 pm UTC (link)
I love that one. "Gradient freak!" "Sepia whore!" *rolls*

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[info]replica
2005-08-21 09:31 am UTC (link)
I was actually kind of surprised there wasn't more wank on your comment, but maybe people were tired of it by then...

and ugh, this is definitely not one of my better days. I'm thinking about pulling out of that community lest I make any other stupid, unintelligent, wanky remarks x.x

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[info]keri
2005-08-21 09:37 am UTC (link)
I think she held herself back. That or she got banned, too. Or she realized that I was right about quality. I was trying so hard to not be wanky, but I suck at faking a polite tone.


I seriously didn't see anything wrong with your comment. I mean, it was what everyone else was thinking. And who said we have to be polite in a ____rants comm?

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(no subject) - [info]replica, 2005-08-21 09:43 am UTC

[info]xero_sky
2005-08-21 09:40 am UTC (link)
I think elite communities are vital to icon-making.

Yes. Because, god knows, I draw inspiration every single day from the hard work of people I don't know posting icons I'll never see in communities I'm not aware of.

An internet connection and a graphics program are vital. Some sort of artistic trickle-down effect from self-named elites? Not so much.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2005-08-21 03:33 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-21 10:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]replica, 2005-08-21 10:23 am UTC
wow. just wow. Ivory Tower Icon Makers! - [info]txvoodoo, 2005-08-22 03:47 am UTC
Re: wow. just wow. Ivory Tower Icon Makers! - (Anonymous), 2005-08-22 04:44 am UTC
Re: wow. just wow. Ivory Tower Icon Makers! - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-08-22 09:11 am UTC
Re: wow. just wow. Ivory Tower Icon Makers! - [info]txvoodoo, 2005-08-22 07:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]allyoops, 2005-08-21 02:52 pm UTC
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[info]brick_me
2005-08-21 11:25 am UTC (link)
Does anyone have a copy of what this post originally said? Because if [info]sweetteeth15's comments and summary are this amusing, the original post mush have been twice as so!

This girl is amazing.

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[info]winterfalls
2005-08-21 12:15 pm UTC (link)
I'm just sitting here wondering how many times [info]sweetteeth15 pimped her trends article in that tl;dr spooge fest.

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-21 03:01 pm UTC
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[info]eclair
2005-08-21 01:06 pm UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/iconrants/19108.html?thread=255908#t255908

See those two icons?
I can atleast read the name on the first one. :/ I don't see how the second one is any better. Just a lost crisper and nicer in color. But duplicating nad shrinking the image next to it doesn't really seem to make an icon better.

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(no subject) - [info]provetheworst, 2005-08-23 05:35 pm UTC

[info]nekoama
2005-08-21 01:36 pm UTC (link)
You know, if I had to choose which of those two icons was the profesional one, I would go with the pink one. It's a soft gradient with text, eye catching and eye pleasing at the same time. The symbol behind the text adds the flair to the words - the font itself is fine just as simple as it is.

The second one is over-sharpened, the colours almost glare and the box in the bottom is cluttering and confusing - why does she have a scratch over her eyes? The text is also half covered by the box making it seem ever MORE cluttered. They both looky like they were done quickly but at least the first one looks like some thought was put into it. The second one looks like a tweleve year old just figured out how to use copy and paste.

But what do I know. I'm just going to art school. [/rant]

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-21 02:57 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]livii, 2005-08-21 03:33 pm UTC
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[info]necronomist
2005-08-21 01:46 pm UTC (link)
If I make an 'elite' community called crappy_icons and stipulate that they must be 1) made in some rudimentary paint program, 2) have text put in haphazardly, and 3) be a crop of some common photo or your attempt at drawing, will that shut up the wannabe trend-setters?

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-21 02:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2005-08-21 03:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]luckdragonfujur, 2005-08-21 07:35 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-22 12:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]komorebi, 2005-08-22 06:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2005-08-22 10:57 pm UTC

[info]terra_katta
2005-08-21 02:35 pm UTC (link)
Haha, beat me to it. ;)

I've never seen so much wank happen so quickly. Was it Wanky Friday in the community or something?

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[info]allyoops
2005-08-21 02:36 pm UTC (link)
sweetteeth15's post complaining about lack of comments for icons and crediting trends is also left off the list, probably because it isn't really about elite comms.

I missed one? *meep!* Bad mod, no biscuit. :(

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-21 02:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funkyhelix, 2005-08-21 02:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]allyoops, 2005-08-21 02:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]funkyhelix, 2005-08-21 02:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]allyoops, 2005-08-21 03:04 pm UTC

[info]cat_mcdougall
2005-08-21 02:58 pm UTC (link)
I make my own icons anymore. I make them because *le gasp!* I like them. I don't do them for any trends or 'elite' or anything....

Someone explain to me the purpose of elite comms besides going "nee ner nicky nee ner we're better than you!"?

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-21 03:03 pm UTC
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(no subject) - ealusaid, 2005-08-21 09:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]etcetera_cat, 2005-08-21 09:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-22 12:27 am UTC
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[info]judyhazeleyes
2005-08-21 06:12 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorry, but the 'elite' style of icons is ugly. Plain and simple. I can almost never tell who is in the icon (or even if it's a person, place or thing), what it says (even if the text isn't that silly 'just for decoration really just a broken line' text), or if it started out as more than the overcluttered, washed-out mess that it eventually became. A lot of people seem to be trying to cram an entire magazine layout's worth of design ideas into a 100x100 square, and the results just don't work.

As a sidenote, crappy icons r00l. And no, I'm not at all biased by my incredible lack of photoshopping skill ;D

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(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2005-08-21 07:20 pm UTC
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(no subject) - kroki_refur, 2005-08-22 11:17 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-22 07:23 am UTC
Amusement? - [info]elanor_durall, 2005-08-21 08:50 pm UTC
Re: Amusement? - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2005-08-21 08:55 pm UTC
Re: Amusement? - [info]elanor_durall, 2005-08-21 09:01 pm UTC
Re: Amusement? - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2005-08-21 09:03 pm UTC
Re: Amusement? - [info]elanor_durall, 2005-08-21 09:13 pm UTC
Re: Amusement? - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2005-08-21 09:17 pm UTC
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Re: Amusement? - [info]keri, 2005-08-22 12:57 am UTC
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(Anonymous)
2005-08-21 08:39 pm UTC (link)
hot damn! If I'd known that my original post would've spawned this... well, I don't know what I would've done.

Later on, I think I mentioned that I forgot something in my original post: my frustration with the "elite" crowds was that I was getting mixed messages--one would say, "you need more color!", then the next would say, "you use too much color!" But whatever. I'm over in my corner cackling madly at the whole situation.

--supersyncspaz7 @ LJ

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(no subject) - [info]lurker32, 2005-08-21 09:46 pm UTC
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[info]crickets
2005-08-21 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Actually I DID define the trend. The icon is actually of the White Architect Style. It's a project I created for virginthriller. Go there and read all about it.

;)


Okay, that someone could say this without a trace of irony just boggles the mind. (Yes, I wandered over to virginthriller to read for context. Not a wasted trip. *snicker*) Here's the thing. If you take your icons (and yourself) so seriously that you make up names for an icon "style" you take credit for and bandy it about in public with the same seriousness that some people reserve for referring to Impressionism or Art Deco, you sound very, very pretentious. You're going to be mocked. Yeah, sure, icons are a creative endeavor and some people put more effort into it and/or take it more seriously than others. And that's fine either way. But at the end of the day, it's 100x100 pixels. Bitch, please.

Another that caught my eye:

So irked was I over this that I started good_rejects, a community for those who'd been rejected by the elite communities or who were just fed up with the elite scene. I can't decide if I want to make it invite-only or anything, but I do know that I want it to be the anti-elite community.

Oh, you had me until you threw logic out the window with the invite-only part. BWAHAHAHA! Way to cut yourself off at the knees, there.

Thank you, [info]misskeriface. This is truly a cornucopia of wank.

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(no subject) - [info]txvoodoo, 2005-08-22 03:49 am UTC

[info]snacky
2005-08-21 10:45 pm UTC (link)
Elite icons? BAH! Not one of them even has a border!

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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-08-22 12:02 am UTC (link)
I've never understood the whole "I can make this really nice photo look like they pissed in the darkroom wash therefore I am l33t" thing myself, but the "This is not a box! This is a border!" comment was so worth it. I think I might icon it.

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(no subject) - [info]judyhazeleyes, 2005-08-22 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-08-22 09:19 am UTC
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[info]funkyhelix
2005-08-22 12:33 am UTC (link)
Most of these supposed elite makers are teenagers, which makes me incredibly glad for Journalfen's policy of only 18 or over.

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(no subject) - [info]keri, 2005-08-22 01:01 am UTC
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[info]annabelle_lee
2005-08-22 07:52 am UTC (link)
...I don't think words are needed for this one. Just look at the icons. I know mine aren't great because I'm still learning, but damn, some of those are scary.

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[info]sashenka
2005-08-22 09:49 am UTC (link)
I just read someone telling someone else what a box is... how do people this stupid get past the age of 13 without killing themselves by accident? "I'M NOT PART OF THE TREND!!! I MADE THE TREND!!! WAAAH!! I DON'T KNOW THAT A BORDER AND A BOX ARE THE SAME FUCKING THING!!! THERE'S A FERRET LIVING IN MY SKULL!!!"

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-22 09:35 pm UTC

[info]bunny
2005-08-22 10:57 am UTC (link)
I am leeter than thou!

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[info]plazmah
2005-08-22 11:04 pm UTC (link)
I'll be the first to admit I make icons in that elitist and pretentious style that we all know and love. But I don't think it's necessarily better than my plainer icons. Both are good sometimes, both suck sometimes.

Why must everything turn into an intraweb war?! Oh yeah, because the internet is serious business, right...

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(no subject) - [info]mistressrenet, 2005-08-23 03:55 pm UTC


 
   
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