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Eilan ([info]eilan) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2005-08-23 19:39:00


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CS/Telemarketer=One True Fight
Copied from a mouse at [info]wank_report

Over at the customers_suck comm on LJ, credobacchus posts a rant about how much being a telemarketer sucks because OH NOES PEOPLE YELL AT ME.

Comments range from "that sucks" to "YOU ARE TEH EBIL FOR CHOOSING TO BE A TELEMARKETER! YOU ARE GETTING WHAT YOU DESERVE!" Most are actually fairly civil, though there are some that are more toxic than others (i.e., mattg's "I'd say that the only people that suck harder than customers are telemarketers.").

Later, heerosferret fires back with TELEMARKETERS ARE PEOPLE TOO:which stirs up the whole hornet's nest again. This time around, the comments are more heated (stigmatic chimes in with "If someone has to be an asshole to keep a job, then they either are an asshole, or they are looking for a new job. I don't feel sorry for them, either. I'm not rude, but Once I say No Thank You I hang up the bleeding phone.").

Interesting sub-threads here: 1 and 2

Finally, the mod, pezstar, makes a post clearing things up:

"If you're a telemarketer, you don't have customers who suck. You have people you're bothering who are rightfully pissed the fuck off about it. So don't post here unless you want to get flamed. I've added it to the rules on the userinfo. Telemarketers will get ZERO sympathy from me."

Whether you agree or disagree, at least the mod understands the way LJ works:

"Finally, if you post stupid ATTENTION PEOPLE STOP FIGHTING posts, such as the one posted here earlier today, I'm going to ban you. Seriously. That shit does NOTHING but cause drama. No one looks at a LiveJournal post and says "Oh, hey. This stranger thinks I'm being an idiot. Maybe I should change my opinion." They just reply snarkily and cause drama. Don't do it."

Which sound advice should last all of, oh, I don't know, three hours?

And we have a winner!

Obligatory I am Leaving post

Thank you, mouse.


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[info]ingrid
2005-08-23 06:56 pm UTC (link)
The phone is not a tool designed for your personal convenience, you know?

B'uh???

Is there more wank or stupid in this debate? I can't decide.

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[info]fiatincantatum
2005-08-23 07:02 pm UTC (link)
*laugh* I was just about to comment on that one.

I think there's more stupid than wank, and THAT COMMENTER wins the Stupid Internet award.

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[info]gloria_mundi
2005-08-23 08:11 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like they read "Kill your television"

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[info]radiotrash
2005-08-23 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I've heard of a lot of instances where people needed a job and the only thing they could get was telemarketing. So what, they stand up against the evilness....and don't eat?

Not that I have a problem with telemarketers cause I don't have a landline. *hugs cellphone*

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[info]mistressrenet
2005-08-23 07:31 pm UTC (link)
Well, if you're interrupted a lot, you can always screen your calls, or if you're too poor/cheap for an answering machine, just turn off the ringer sometimes. I don't get it. Especially now there's a national Do Not Call list.

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A bit off topic, jsut some advice... - [info]greenglass, 2005-08-23 10:50 pm UTC
Re: A bit off topic, jsut some advice... - [info]radiotrash, 2005-08-24 07:29 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-26 01:36 am UTC
(no subject) - orangutan, 2005-08-23 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]april_hurst, 2005-08-23 10:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-08-23 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2005-08-24 06:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]radiotrash, 2005-08-24 07:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 06:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]radiotrash, 2005-08-24 08:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 08:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - dodyskin, 2005-08-25 12:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 07:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-23 08:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 08:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-23 08:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 08:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-08-23 10:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2005-08-24 01:37 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2005-08-24 01:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-24 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - dracothelizard, 2005-08-24 02:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-24 05:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quinctia, 2005-08-24 05:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-24 05:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quinctia, 2005-08-24 06:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 06:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eljuno, 2005-08-24 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jfpbookworm, 2005-08-23 08:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-23 09:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nevadafighter, 2005-08-23 11:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladysorka, 2005-08-23 09:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]rachelmap, 2005-08-24 01:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]radiotrash, 2005-08-24 07:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]april_hurst, 2005-08-23 10:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 11:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-08-24 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]runrunmarch, 2005-08-24 03:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]windex_junkie, 2005-08-24 05:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 06:50 pm UTC

[info]kadath
2005-08-23 07:27 pm UTC (link)
Also a spandy-new telemarketing post here: http://www.livejournal.com/community/customers_suck/12284317.html

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(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 07:39 pm UTC

[info]smo
2005-08-23 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Telemarketers will get ZERO sympathy from me.

o_O And this from the freaking mod? WTF? Aren't moderators, by definition, not supposed to take sides? But instead to, y'know, moderate both of them?

(Yeah, I know, welcome to the internets. Still.)

Also, by hir own definition, the mod's post is one of those selfsame "ATTENTION PEOPLE STOP FIGHTING" posts se hates so much. Which just ups my WTF ante by a factor of ten.

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(no subject) - [info]maev_connacht, 2005-08-23 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-23 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]panthea, 2005-08-24 01:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-24 03:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-24 02:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-24 02:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-24 03:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-24 05:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]radiotrash, 2005-08-24 07:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2005-08-24 01:14 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-08-24 07:26 am UTC

[info]emlan
2005-08-23 08:12 pm UTC (link)
wth is frostybunny problem? S/he's scattering flamebait all over the place.

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[info]jfpbookworm
2005-08-23 08:20 pm UTC (link)
I'm sorely tempted to make a post to customers_suck claiming to be a hitman who's upset because the people I'm trying to kill get mad, run away, or even shoot back.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-23 09:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cairea, 2005-08-23 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-08-23 10:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-23 11:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-08-23 11:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]moonpigeon, 2005-08-24 08:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2005-08-27 05:17 pm UTC
Found it! - (Anonymous), 2005-08-27 04:33 pm UTC
Re: Found it! - [info]telophase, 2005-08-27 05:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-27 04:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kijikun, 2005-08-24 04:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]here4tehwank, 2005-08-25 07:36 pm UTC

[info]teratologist
2005-08-23 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Jesus Christ, people. It's been decades since the invention of the answering machine - if you actually pick up the telephone when it rings, you have no one to blame but yourself for being exposed to whatever idiot is on the other end.

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(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 09:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kookaburra, 2005-08-23 09:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 09:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]cleolinda, 2005-08-24 12:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]papervolcano, 2005-08-24 01:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 06:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chaimonkey, 2005-08-24 02:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sesana, 2005-08-24 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-08-24 03:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gweniveeve, 2005-08-25 06:45 am UTC
Yes, this has happened more than once to me. Not. Fun. - [info]adora_spintriae, 2005-08-24 03:22 am UTC
Re: Yes, this has happened more than once to me. Not. Fun. - [info]belafarinrod, 2005-08-26 02:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]quinctia, 2005-08-24 05:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]squib, 2005-08-24 02:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2005-08-24 06:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2005-08-24 07:35 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-08-23 10:54 pm UTC (link)
Bah. Get call-display and you never have to answer the idiots.

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(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-23 11:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]no_touching, 2005-08-24 02:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eilan, 2005-08-24 03:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-26 01:39 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-08-24 01:19 am UTC (link)
Phonesales people need to understand how invasive they are being. The phone is there for me, my family and my friends to communicate. It's bad enough when we watch the tv and there are adverts all through the programmes we want to watch but to have them actually call me with things I don't want as well it worse.

So, in addition to ebil telemarketers forcing you to listen to them, you are also under some obligation to watch commercials? Ever heard of going to get a snack instead? Also, if you're so annoyed because of them, how about doing something about it? I'm sure the networks would stop showing commercials immediately if you volunteered to, like, pay them the piddling sum of money they make from commercials annually, or something.

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[info]terra_katta
2005-08-24 03:02 am UTC (link)
I really don't know whether to point and laugh or to cry at the stupidity.

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[info]aaron_agonistes
2005-08-24 03:10 am UTC (link)
And we have a you suck i'm liek totallie taking my toys and going home!

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[info]adora_spintriae
2005-08-24 03:21 am UTC (link)
you learned it in kindergarten... if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.

"This is Customers Suck. We can say lots of not-nice things about customers, but you customers can't say anything not-nice back." Yes gods, pass the mop.

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[info]windex_junkie
2005-08-24 06:28 am UTC (link)
What the fuck is wrong with these people?

All you have to do is say "no thank you I'm not interested" and *click*. If they're being cunty to you, you can go off your rocker, but of all the telemarketer calls I've fielded, none of them have been anything worse than tired and desperate.

Honestly. I'm fucking terrified of the phone and I hate answering it, but I don't feel the need to be an asshole to someone just because they've called me. If I feel like utter shit, I just let the machine catch the call.

Lately I've been going out of my way to be extra-polite to every non-asshole on the phone. People at the bank, a credit-card company, telemarketers, the AM-vets, whatever. If they're polite and not pushy assholes, I will thank them kindly and wish them a good day, because I figure the poor bastards need it.

The people you talk to on the phone have nothing to do with whatever's pissing you off, be it your credit rating or the fact you're being called in the first place. If it wasn't them calling you, it'd be someone else because everyone needs to eat, and bitching does nothing except make someone's day worse.

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(no subject) - [info]elanor_durall, 2005-08-24 12:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 06:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elanor_durall, 2005-08-24 07:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elanor_durall, 2005-08-24 07:43 pm UTC

[info]the_wanlorn
2005-08-24 07:08 am UTC (link)
Sheesh, while I agree that calling my and trying to sell me stuff doesn't make me a customer anymore than I'm a customer of a door-to-door salesman [except the one I invited in cuz he was selling KNIVES! They brought the knives TO ME for once! *joy* But that's, ya know, inviting them in and making myself a customer and blah blah bla] it's not as though it's their fault that they're doing it.

Word to the not posting to C_S, boo to the vitriol and wank.

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[info]pokecheck
2005-08-24 08:38 am UTC (link)
Kinda off topic, but I really hate this one certain...charity/political orgnization that keeps calling me even though I've told them four times to take me off their call list. It's the same damn organization.

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(no subject) - [info]isntitironic, 2005-08-24 02:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]pokecheck, 2005-08-25 06:30 am UTC

[info]big_bad_wolf
2005-08-24 12:38 pm UTC (link)
What the hell? How hard is it to HANG UP THE PHONE?

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-08-24 06:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 06:54 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-08-24 06:17 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty fucking sick of the way telemarketers get treated at customers_suck. Why can't they rant and rave there like anyone else? Lord knows they need a place to do it. They probably get more rudeness from customers in a day than most of those other customer-service reps get in a month.

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(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 06:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]elanor_durall, 2005-08-24 08:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]big_bad_wolf, 2005-08-24 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2005-08-25 11:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jrs1980, 2005-08-25 05:32 am UTC

[info]komorebi
2005-08-25 07:08 am UTC (link)
I only bitched out a telemarketer once, when I was woken up from a nap. I was so muzzy and out of it, I mistook the PM marker on my clock for AM, and demanded she never call in the pre-dawn hours ever again. The poor woman must have thought I was on drugs.

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dodyskin
2005-08-25 11:48 am UTC (link)
Cold callers need to understand the suckiness of their behaviour. There just is no excuse. I'm signed up to every do not call list, I've invoked the Data Protection Act on two companies, I always tick the ticky do not store my data box and they still phone. Every. Fucking. Day.

I've had them phone me while I was waiting for emergency services to phone me back, and refuse to hang up even after I told them why I *needed* the phone. My partner has broken bones trying to get to their damn phone calls. They've phoned me and left the phone off the hook for an hour. They've screamed at me. They've harassed me. They can fuck right off.

No excuses. Fuck them all.

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[info]here4tehwank
2005-08-25 07:30 pm UTC (link)
Why does no one ever leave a comm quietly?? Did I miss the internet memo that requires people to make a "Waaah, you hurt my poor widdle feewings, I'm weaving!" post? WTF?!

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Good job
(Anonymous)
2005-10-16 01:48 am UTC (link)
Hi Credobacchus here.

Good job with the gross twsting of words.

I never said that. Or anything similar. I spoke about a woman who specifically asked me to please call her, at a certain time, and then when I did, threatend to mutilate my body.]

I don't care if people yell at me, but I'm not just calling cold. I am calling people who ASK to be called.

So stop trying to lie about what other people say to make yourself look cool in a no-less-whiny rant of your own.

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Good job, asshat.
(Anonymous)
2005-10-16 01:55 am UTC (link)
Hi Credobacchus here.

Good job with the gross twsting of words.

I never said that. Or anything similar. I spoke about a woman who specifically asked me to please call her, at a certain time, and then when I did, threatend to mutilate my body.]

I don't care if people yell at me, but I'm not just calling cold. I am calling people who ASK to be called.

So stop trying to make other people look whiny to make yourself look cool in a no-less-whiny rant of your own.

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Re: Good job, asshat. - (Anonymous), 2005-10-16 02:51 am UTC

 
   
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