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	felinephoenix 2005-09-02 05:11 am UTC (link)
	You know what I really hate? People who brag about donating. Not that ms whats-her-name wasn't already getting under my skin, but I think that's just low. (And I loved scott_lynch's post.) (Reply to this)(Thread)

	megmurry 2005-09-02 05:23 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, "I donated to the stupid people" kind of kills the good karma feel of donating, do you think? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-09-02 01:58 pm UTC (link)
	IAWTC (Reply to this)(Parent)

	princessdot 2005-09-02 05:50 am UTC (link)
	It's yet another whinger cloaking himself in self-righteousness Oh, so not like making sure anyone and everyone knows how wonderful and generous you are by donating, right? (Reply to this)

	ladybirdsleeps 2005-09-02 10:42 am UTC (link)
	Is it ms_daisy_cutter's goal in life to be an idiot asshole, or what? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	THIS IS JUST A HUNCH: YES (Anonymous) 2005-09-02 08:07 pm UTC (link)
	Man, I really want to know what it is that makes people this devoid of empathy or fucking common sense. If I see/hear one more person spout this WHY COULDN'T THOSE DUMB BUTTS HAVE JUST WALKED OUT LOL bullshit I am going to scream. :( -snoozy from el jay (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kadath 2005-09-02 01:11 pm UTC (link)
	ms_daisy_cutter is a libertarian of the "I got mine, so what's your problem?" school. She regularly gets into shouting matches in atheism, which is populated primarily by leftists (YT included) any time compassion or taxation come up. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	kadath 2005-09-02 01:20 pm UTC (link)
	Um, pretend my sentence structure is rational, please. Thank you kindly. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sepiamagpie 2005-09-02 01:48 pm UTC (link)
	explain the school to me. Hamsters ate my brain this morning and english of mine is not so good. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

kadath
2005-09-02 01:56 pm UTC (link)

Since Ms Cutter was able to succeed in life with no help, it then follows that no one at all requires help. Especially from the government. Because that is stealing from people. (Unless it's military funding.)

Libertarianism at a whole squicks me, but the sneering "if you can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps you're worthless and don't deserve help" sort that she espouses just makes me want to scrub myself clean.

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	sepiamagpie 2005-09-02 01:58 pm UTC (link)
	oh. I bet she smells funny. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	psychofangirl 2005-09-02 10:33 pm UTC (link)
	"Since Ms Cutter was able to succeed in life with no help" Which, of course, is usually bullshit. Education? Someone had to teach you. Job? Someone hired you! Even an entrepeneur needs customers. That's a form of help, so to speak. Believe me, everyone has help one time or another. I guess for some people, it's just easier to be delusional. shrugs (Reply to this)(Parent)

	adora_spintriae 2005-09-03 01:30 am UTC (link)
	Ohhh, I hate those types. It's not just some Libertarians who are like that either. You find them everywhere, from supposed "humanists" to even lefty hippies ("I have the time and energy to cultivate my own self-sufficient compost heap/energy generator/sewage disposal unit, why the hell don't you ~~with your job and your kids and your family responsibilities~~?"). (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vigilanterodent 2005-09-02 04:55 pm UTC (link)
	I love those kinds of libertarians, in the most sarcastic way possible. They seem to almost universally be pampered bourgeois who think having to scrimp to afford college textbooks is equivalent to having to scrimp to afford to eat. (In all fairness, I am a pampered little bourgie myself, but at least I admit I'm not succeeding solely on my own merits.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ianthefira 2005-09-02 02:23 pm UTC (link)
	Well, not much to say, except "word" on the original meta-quotes'd essay. I mean, I remember reading from one person's account that they assumed there'd be flooding, but more like, in-the-streets flooding than up-to-the-freaking-roof flooding. Which you can't blame them for, since most hurricanes do that at worst. (Reply to this)

	erototoxin 2005-09-02 02:58 pm UTC (link)
	Where is Anne Rice when we need her? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	luthe 2005-09-02 03:22 pm UTC (link)
	San Francisco, unfortunately. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ataniell93 2005-09-04 04:45 am UTC (link)
	Lucky us. But I wouldn't wish the hurricane on her or anyone else in the world. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	(Anonymous) 2005-09-04 04:49 pm UTC (link)
	Right here, man! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/04/opinion/04rice.html (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	erototoxin 2005-09-06 02:22 am UTC (link)
	Wow, that's pretty well unwankable, too. Go her. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2005-09-02 08:11 pm UTC (link)
	Well as least she's honest about what an unfeeling twat she is. (Reply to this)

mistal
2005-09-03 01:46 am UTC (link)

Now I wouldn't agree with ms_daisy_cutter to call the people of New Orleans stupid and irresponsible, but if you read her response to it, she does have some point...

First, if someone was to told me they're surprise that New Orleans was 80% underwater(last time I heard) I would laugh at them and wonder where they've been. The city was/is under sea level and surrounded one three side by water, it screams "disaster and annihilation/destruction of the place", but people still chose to live there, so they accept the risk.
Second, they knew that a Hurricane type 5 was heading their way, granted not everybody could leave. But it's not like it was a freaking surprise

I think that's what ms_daisy_cutter was trying to say, but I guess she didn't come out "in a good way".

I don't even think I did ><...

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teratologist
2005-09-03 03:04 am UTC (link)

'Accepting the risk' is an irrelevant side issue unless one presupposes that coping with natural disasters is NOT an appropriate venue for the federal government, rather than individuals, to handle. Which I'd say is even among libertarians a pretty fringe position. We don't expect individuals in any part of the country, blizzard-wracked coast to earthquake-shattered coast, to manage their own natural disasters - why should these poor bastards be the ones who have to start?

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mistal
2005-09-03 03:39 am UTC (link)

I'll put myself on fire and hope the fireman and doctor can save my ass<--Im assuming the risk of doing it.
I never said that the one should expect the individual to do something about it and not the government.
I just pointed out that the place/the ground was,eventually, going to be underwater, it's nothing new. It was a matter of when, the people knew that(well I hope) That's what I was getting at.

My second point was that they KNEW a major hurricane was coming. So it wasn't a surprise.

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karina
2005-09-03 08:28 am UTC (link)

Perhaps some of the residents were "stupid" in not leaving NOLA when the mandatory evacuations went out. Maybe they should've known better.

But the lecturing doesn't provide any solutions to the problem at hand: people are dying, are desperately hungry and thirsty, and have been trapped in city that distintegrated in chaos. What should be done about that? HAve an official stand over them saying it was a mistake on their part?

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	mistal 2005-09-03 11:20 pm UTC (link)
	I never said they were stupid, I said the fact that they lived there and knew the hurricane was coming the damage should not be a surprise. And really, think about it. Knowing things the official should have done something, not only the individual. (Reply to this)(Parent)

lush_rimbaud
2005-09-04 02:31 am UTC (link)

Choosing to live in a city that has survived hurricanes and minor floods for hundreds of years is hardly comparable to setting yourself on fire.

And, sure, they knew a major hurricane was coming. They didn't know it would be this bad. And since a lot of those people didn't have the money to leave or any place to go if they did, what does it matter whether it was a surprise or not?

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mistal
2005-09-04 03:13 am UTC (link)

Can you honestly tell me that people didn't believe the city was eventually going to be underwater?

Have you seen the picture where there's about 50 buses in the water? Those bus could have been used to get the poor people out.
I know the gas price didn't help either, but for a second people could have stop thinking about money and save people instead, even if, god forbid, they use gas for it...

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rachelthedemon
2005-09-04 03:27 am UTC (link)

It's kinda hard not to think about money when you're working minimum wage to support a spouse and kids, can barely afford groceries, and are literally one paycheck away from eviction. A car is completely out of the question, as is airfare or Greyhound for the whole family, plus living accomodations.

Really, I wish the people bitching "OMGWTF Y DID DEY STAY R DEY KRAYZEE?!" would think outside their upper middle-class bubbles.

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mistal
2005-09-04 03:58 am UTC (link)

Someone could have taken a bus to get the people that couldn't leave and get them to a safer place. Why didn't someone do that? Probably because the gas would have be a problem, hence a money problem. Which was my point with "if people(not just the poor one) could stop thinking about money and start saving life instead".

I didn't bitch about people being crazy by staying there, I said the whole thing wasn't a surprise and thing could have been done before to prevent some damage.

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(Anonymous)
2005-09-04 04:24 am UTC (link)

I didn't bitch about people being crazy by staying there, I said the whole thing wasn't a surprise and thing could have been done before to prevent some damage.

As I understand it, the mayor of New Orleans has been calling for YEARS for that very thing to be done -- i.e., shoring up the levees that were keeping Lake Ponchatrain in place. Reduced funding to restore/repair the levees is what kept it from being done.

And as for "Someone taking a bus and getting people out" -- who is the "someone" you're thinking could have done that?

Queencallipygos on LJ

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	mistal 2005-09-04 04:44 am UTC (link)
	http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,372455,00.html Can I blame Bush? I was trying to not put any name and just being generic. Someone, anyone, random person. I say "person" and it gets assume that I mean rich people. Im using generic name here for a reason. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

lush_rimbaud
2005-09-04 12:59 pm UTC (link)

I don't think anyone would have been annoyed if you'd blamed the federal government, or even the state or city government, for not evacuating everyone before the hurricane. It's when you start blaming poor people who had nowhere to go that people get ticked off. Because, I mean, okay, there's buses floating in the water that could have been used to evacuate people, but what was Random Poor Person supposed to do about that before the hurricane? Go up to the bus driver and be like, "Hey, I need to take this bus so I can evacuate the people on my block?" I'm sure that would have gone over well.

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	minibalrogmum 2005-09-04 09:09 pm UTC (link)
	That's what this group did But yes, quite agree that the poor in New Orleans didn't have a hell of a lot of options and probably didn't know where exactly they would go, either. That's why you make plans for worst case scenarios, including the evactuation of those who can't evacuate themselves. Really, if China can do it, so can the US. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mistal 2005-09-05 12:11 am UTC (link)
	The thing is that I never blamed poor people. I said people, people in general, not the rich or the poor, just people/anyone/someone/a human. (Reply to this)(Parent)

greenling
2005-09-03 05:17 am UTC (link)

What exactly is the federal government doing in this situation, anyway? All I'm hearing is stuff about Bush being an insensitive prick, FEMA telling people to donate to Pat Cockmonkey Robertson of all people, and the occasional story about the National Guard not being able to be there because they're in some other damn country and/or local police trying their best not to make more problems with little or no help from higher-ups.

I tend to laugh at the idea that private corporations could do a better job then government in anything resembling our current system, but I gotta be missing something here.

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	annabelle_lee 2005-09-03 07:39 am UTC (link)
	That is the most spot on description of Pat Robertson I've ever seen. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ladybirdsleeps
2005-09-05 06:31 am UTC (link)

They're too busy turning back help to do anything. Telling people with boats and water to go away and cutting emergency communication lines is hard work!

A couples days ago I thought that the accusations of racism might be wrong. I thought that massive incompetence and self-serving politicians would be enough to cause this. But the longer this goes on, the longer I have trouble imagining it happening anywhere with more white people.

(The subtly racist tones of a lot of the media coverage hasn't helped. Public opinion does impact the will of the government to do stuff, and the media reflects public opinion...)

Now I'm pretty sure it's a combination of all three.

Shit, I wanked.

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teratologist
2005-09-03 02:58 am UTC (link)

ms_daisy_cutter posts a quasi-apology

To continue to tie the two wanks together, I'll note that it's now no mystery why she dislikes feminism, since that political movement will destroy her apparent fall-back excuse if it ever succeeds in convincing the world that women are responsible, thinking adults rather than unpredictable balls of semi-sentient emotion, even when prepping for Aunt Flo's arrival.

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	(Anonymous) 2005-09-03 10:23 am UTC (link)
	For additional New Orleans wank, please see ohnotheydidnt (http://www.livejournal.com/community/ohnotheydidnt) where someone posts (http://www.livejournal.com/community/ohnotheydidnt/3370313.html) about Kanye West's interview where he says "George Bush doesn't care about black people." And everything go 'splodey. Race + hurricane = 1836 comments so far. (Reply to this)

	wankismyfandom 2005-09-04 03:44 am UTC (link)
	No comment on the wank, but nice choice of music. I love Allison Crowe. (Reply to this)

	lots42 2005-09-05 05:58 pm UTC (link)
	Getting banned from Metaquotes is like being loaded down with pot but still being kicked out from a hippie commune (Reply to this)

	aerobot 2005-09-06 08:49 am UTC (link)
	I'd really like to know when being an insensitive asshole became a good thing. Seriously. "I'm not a bleeding heart hippie!" Um ... wow, that's something to be proud about? (Reply to this)