the_wanlorn
2005-10-21 03:02 pm UTC (link)

No infant is capable of making the commitment to never in their life drink or smoke or use recreational drugs.

Right, and once you become older, you automatically STICK to your "commitment" to a lifestyle for the REST OF YOUR LIFE and NEVER CHANGE YOUR MIND. I'd say that no one, period, is able to make that sort of a commitment and say that it will last for the rest of their life.

Oh, except monks. Who never leave the monastery. Because they have someone enforcing it. I think.

That whole argument in the second link sounds a lot like how Bobby and Mary decided to get married in HS because they loved each other SEW MUCH even though their friends told them that it was a shitty idea and they would probably change their minds. And then they did. And were happy.

Uh, I like pie?

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	kadath 2005-10-21 03:02 pm UTC (link)
	IF YOU'RE NOT EDGE NOW YOU NEVER WERE!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	the_wanlorn 2005-10-21 03:14 pm UTC (link)
	NUH UH I USED TO BE BUT THEN THE GREAT GOD MACKAYE CAME DOWN AND SPOKE TO ME AND TOLD ME THAT HE WAS A BOOZER IN HIS LIFETIME AND IT WAS OKAY FOR ME TO BE TO SO LONG AS I WAS OF LEGAL AGE and so I wasn't straight edge anymore but I used to be! I did I did! Mmmm that took more energy than it was worth. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kadath 2005-10-21 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	Mmmm that took more energy than it was worth. Much like straightedge, then. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	the_wanlorn 2005-10-21 04:49 pm UTC (link)
	And clearly, that proves just how straightedge I am. nonchalantly slides her pre-class-"pick-me-up" out of view -sXe 4eva XXXimsosXeithurtsXXX (Reply to this)(Parent)

	panthea 2005-10-23 03:26 am UTC (link)
	Dude, when I was a kid I promised myself I'd never, ever swear. Yeah, that fucking took. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	braisinhussy 2005-10-21 03:36 pm UTC (link)
	I'm sorry, I'm incredibly old and not cool enough to keep up with the lingo the kids are dropping these days. Is "straightedge" the new "teetotaller"? Er, except taken to XTR333M? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	cleolinda 2005-10-21 03:42 pm UTC (link)
	It may involve snowboards. No one can be entirely sure. (Reply to this)(Parent)

tourette
2005-10-21 03:48 pm UTC (link)

It appears to be something that grew out of some part of the American "hardcore" music scene in which a culture of abstaining from drink, drugs, cigarettes and casual sex was established. Of course, many arguments are had in this livejournal community alone about how permissive it is possible to be while remaining "edge". Can one be "edge" and eat meat? Can one be disinterested in "hardcore" and yet keep the label? Plus, that community attracts a few trolls and yet doesn't seem to know to ignore them, so that just adds to the fun :)

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	kadath 2005-10-21 03:59 pm UTC (link)
	It always amused the hell out of me that straightedge bans all drugs, but sex in moderation is okay. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	miharu 2005-10-21 05:35 pm UTC (link)
	Back in my day gets out the cane, the sXe kids said no to any sex. Ah, the days of Minor Threat. tear (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kadath 2005-10-21 05:40 pm UTC (link)
	Back in my day, the kid in my high school who had huge Xs drawn across both hands was also a meth user. sXe 4eva! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-10-22 10:18 am UTC (link)
	Well, back in my day an X on your hand showed that you were too young to drink in the Wreck Room. (They forced this on me upon entering a local bar before I turned twenty-one. Ah, memories. Oh, and do they (straight edge) not take prescription medication as well? Where do you draw the line? And no sex?! EVER?! WTF?! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lessis 2005-10-22 01:38 am UTC (link)
	As near as I can tell, they're a group of kids trying to make being prudy squares cool and hardcore. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2005-10-22 05:35 am UTC (link)
	That's what I thought after I screamed "How old are these crazy fuckers?! THEY CAN'T BE MORE THAN TWELVE. LOGIC DOES NOT PERMIT OLDER PEOPLE TO BE THAT STUPID!" Obsessed, wanky, paranoid, ignorant and delusional, yes. Stupid? Nothing's stupider than a twelve year old, in my opinion. (Reply to this)(Parent)

kookaburra
2005-10-22 06:56 pm UTC (link)

I think I've mentioned this is a previous sXe wank, but I am a prudy square, and it was a total shock my senior year of high school when I learned that a bunch of freshmen punk people were *admiring* me for being so "edge" (I had no idea what that meant) because I didn't party, have sex, get piercings or tatoos, or eat junk food (much). Then one of them started talking to me in art class, and tried to get me to go to a punk concert, and I declined, saying that I didn't like loud music, and was trying to preserve my hearing.

Her: Oh! I never thought about that! It's so NOT edge to listen to loud music because it, like, totally destroys your ears! What kind of music do you listen to?

Me: Er, classical?

Her: Man! I've GOT to tell people about this, 'cause Mozart, is like, a massage for your brain, right? It would be so edge to listen to it!

And that was when I decided that punkers were insane.

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	(Anonymous) 2005-10-23 02:45 pm UTC (link)
	not insane, just really stupid. (Reply to this)(Parent)

issendai
2005-10-21 04:03 pm UTC (link)

So basically, DanaSuperstar wants the extra speshul that comes from being "edge" her whole life. The other members say no, you're edge from the moment you choose to be edge; you don't get extra cookies for not smoking, drinking, and screwing in kindergarten. DanaSuperstar screams that they're all being meen and want her to draw X's all over her body.

Dana! Babe! You're in the wrong community for a sensitive flower like yourself. Go claim you were betrothed at birth to a spirit-plane version of Jack Sparrow. I guarantee you you'll find people to believe you.

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	visp 2005-10-22 01:31 pm UTC (link)
	snicker (Reply to this)(Parent)

	emlan 2005-10-21 06:16 pm UTC (link)
	Damn, sXe is serious fucking business. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	innsmouth_eyes 2005-10-22 03:14 am UTC (link)
	Oh! Mikey love! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	somnambulicious 2005-10-21 06:21 pm UTC (link)
	The more straight-edge wank I read, the more uncanny parallels to fundamentalist Christianity I see. sXe: It's not just a way of life; it's a religion. (Reply to this)

	ladysorka 2005-10-21 07:02 pm UTC (link)
	...these people make me want to start drinking, smoking, and having lots of random sex. Okay, maybe not smoking. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	wankprophet 2005-10-21 07:15 pm UTC (link)
	applies peer pressure (Reply to this)(Parent)

	autumnyte 2005-10-21 07:35 pm UTC (link)
	So true. Reading this makes me want to do every drug I can find, just to be contrary. Maybe I'll grab a sharpie and draw big "O"s on the back of my hands instead. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

frequentmouse
2005-10-21 08:42 pm UTC (link)

Maybe I'll grab a sharpie and draw big "O"s on the back of my hands instead.

Now, there's a trend someone should start.

I am remotely related to an Oakland punk princess who has confided to me that Edge people scare her more than the gang kids who used to hang around outside clubs to beat up punks. Straight Edge seems to be an argument that drugs and alcohol are good for ones social integration.

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	gal_montag 2005-10-21 10:05 pm UTC (link)
	I like that idea. Too bad I'm totally not scene or I'd so go there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	panthea 2005-10-23 03:39 am UTC (link)
	::looks shifty:: Er, start? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2005-10-21 10:03 pm UTC (link)
	Whenever there's sXe wank, I learn something new. This time I learned that drawing black Xes on your hands is a far bigger statement than just choosing not to use substances. Since obviously sXe is a calling and not a choice at all. And using sharpie on your hands? Totally edgy. I need a drink. (Reply to this)(Thread)

tourette
2005-10-21 11:53 pm UTC (link)

I suddenly remembered reading about teenagers that got a cheap buzz from the fumes of their big marker pens. I don't know if American ones have the same sorts of chemicals in, but it would be amusing to imagine a Straight Edger in conflict over whether drawing on their hands is now "breaking edge". After all, who knows what sorts of chemicals can be absorbed through the skin? Can't be too careful, you know. Constant Vigillance!

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	gal_montag 2005-10-22 03:24 am UTC (link)
	I think there are still some brands of markers that have fumes that'll get you high or at least make you sick. But that seems like a good question to pose to the sXe commnunity, and ~~watch them implode~~ see what they have to say about it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	radiotrash 2005-10-22 06:05 am UTC (link)
	Oh man, you just made me realize that I've been taught to sniff markers since I was little. No really! They used to have these huge non-toxic markers that smelled like fruits and stuff. I used to like grape and lemon and would smell them all the time. /random (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mastervex 2005-10-22 11:00 am UTC (link)
	I remember those. We had them in art class. =D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	kookaburra 2005-10-22 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	Mr. Sketch! I saved for like a MONTH when I was in 3rd grade to buy those things. I loved drawing fruit bowls with them, because then the pictures smelled like they looked. /memories (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nebbieq 2005-10-24 08:45 pm UTC (link)
	Mr. Sketch? Holy crap, I think I got a pack of those for Christmas when I was like, five. Now to figure out why I can remember the name of these damn markers, but keep on forgetting to make important phone calls. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chibikaijuu 2005-10-23 12:53 am UTC (link)
	Eee! I loved those too. Except for licorice, so I tried to avoid using black as much as possible. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	radiotrash 2005-10-23 04:54 am UTC (link)
	Yes, I hated the way black smelled. :/ Brown was cinnamon though and that was nummy. <3 (Reply to this)(Parent)

	rogue 2005-10-22 03:12 am UTC (link)
	Does it make anyone else laugh that XXX is a commonly used symbol for contraband liquor and pornography? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	gal_montag 2005-10-22 03:24 am UTC (link)
	Dude, they're taking the X back, it's been used to opress them for far too long. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rogue 2005-10-22 03:27 am UTC (link)
	One cannot expect a revolution to work with pink shirts and eyeliner. You at least need some toxic excuse for music to use as psychological warfa-oh wait. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	gal_montag 2005-10-22 04:53 am UTC (link)
	Moo ha ha! The revolution ~~will~~ should not be televised. (Reply to this)(Parent)

amxjm
2005-10-22 04:02 am UTC (link)

See, this is why, in spite of considering myself a straight-edger (since I was 17, as it relates to the wank at hand), I'm not involved in any of the communities. Of course, there are those that wouldn't say I'm a "real" straight-edger because I'm not vegan, I take medication when I need it, and I think most hardcore punk music is a joke. But, to that, I say bah. It's supposed to be a personal oath in the first place, isn't it? Why get so bent out of shape over somebody else's oath?

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tourette
2005-10-22 12:26 pm UTC (link)

It seems to me that most social groups have their fair share of people you'd cross the road (or possibly even the town) to avoid. I don't mean to seem as though I'm making fun of Straight Edgers who are perfectly sensible by posting all these sXe wanks. I mean, the moderator of that community seems harmless enough, and several of the other posters look okay. It's just when you mix these posters with the loonbags and trolls that explosions happen.

I suspect that some people feel that their only power is to lord it over people who aren't following a scene properly. It's a little like those who are much better fans of your favourite band than you will ever be, because they were there since, like, the beginning!!

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(Anonymous)
2005-10-23 03:00 pm UTC (link)

"I suspect that some people feel that their only power is to lord it over people who aren't following a scene properly."

I think thats referd to as a superiority complex. I see it alot in ~~herbacidle lunatics~~ vegans, perticulary those that are bedfellows of animal rights activism. They oft take to waving it at people as if it were a sceptre that bestowes them with moral high ground because they are more-compasionet-than-thou (despite actions that blow holes in that like a 12ga. loaded with double aut.) The noisey ones make such an awful and obnoxious racket that it becomes easy to forget there are level head ones amongst them.

just my 2 cents.. plus a few dimes

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	aerobot 2005-10-22 08:02 am UTC (link)
	I'm getting annoyed with all this "I don't wanna be labelled!" crap. Yeah, it can be a little annoying, but you need to fucking deal with it. Y'know what? You're a human. OMG LABEL!!11! (Reply to this)