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Sarah the Hussy (![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/userinfo.gif){kind=small} braisinhussy) wrote in ![[info]](http://www.journalfen.net/img/community.gif){kind=small} otf_wank,@ 2005-11-07 13:18:00 |
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A cappella wankery
This wank is thanks to the RARB forums.
The topic is which tracks will be making it onto the Best of College A cappella (BOCA) 2006 CD.
The wank begins in response to this comment by JtheLegend. In his list of recommendations, he mentions this track:
"Crazy Train" - Clefs (though the 2nd rapper just can't quite keep up with Twista and imho that does severely hurt the strength of the track)
H.F. takes offense to this:
...you're judging this song by criteria that are too narrow and just off base to some extent. You're welcome to your opinion, as to how a group should have interpreted a line, or delivered same. But even if your opinion was "right", in the case of this track the sum is much greater than this part. Come mid-November, you're likely to see that.
Interrogating the text from the wrong perspective, maybe? Mid-November is when the BOCA nominations come out.
JtheLegend responds:
Dude, are you in the group or something? Perhaps maybe even the 2nd soloist on teh track? 'cause you seem mighty offended. Relax a bit, it's not changing my views anyway. On the whole, it's a strong album and that track in particular isn't bad, but that dude rubs me the wrong way and if anyone has heard the original song, it's very noticeable how off he is. I'm not saynig that I know all about how to interpret something, but unlike with changing things melodically while SINGING, it just sounds weird and possibly wrong when you change the timing of a RAP lyric. I say this as a lyricist myself....it just changes the flow and feel of the song. Rappers speak to a certain beat for a reason and just like with singing it changes the focus and emphasis with a different take, however with rap it doesn't particularly change the emotion of the song, so it just sounds very weird to mine and many of my friends' ears...who also happen to rap. But again, it's a strong album on the whole. Chill out. Take a Xanny, whatever you need to do and stop trying to pick a fight.
FriarEunuch shows up to defend H.F.:
Many people dislike hearing a very familiar solo covered, for that very reason, and would probably be just as adamant about it. Both are overreactions, imo. Had you never heard the original version, you’d be duly impressed.
Just want to point out that you were the one who dropped the f-bomb (in a public forum) immediately in your attempted refutation. Might want to take your own advice, you arrogant slob.
Oh no, swearing on a message board populated by college students and older! (JtheLegend dropped a tongue-in-cheek "fuck" in this comment, if you're interested.)
H.F. backpedals:
Dude, I'm not even close to being offended, nor am I trying to change your views - why would I want to? There's not much point or reason. I'm also not the lyricist in question, nor in the group at all. You're a Rapper and are best buds with Twista and all, so it stands to reason you're gonna have strong feelings about the track - that's totally cool. And I don't disagree with parts of your assessment - I just don't see that it's germane to it's inclusion on BOCA.
And yeah, the "mid-November" comment was just a bit of fun :)
WareHauser breaks out the sporadic all-caps:
It's funny, because when the Spartones' Stutter was recorded, it irritated me to NO END that the rap was "wrong." I mean, he wasn't even CLOSE to the original. And NO ONE complained, or even mentioned it. Granted, it's not the Clefs. The Clefs have come to set a certain standard when it relates to hip-hop and rap. But it seemed to be somewhat popular for awhile there...
The Clefs were TRYING to immitate the original... and when you attempt to do that and fail at something like rhythm in a rap, it's noticeable. Does that make it any less hot? Hell no.
Everyone should find a track that DEEMS this sort of childish banter, and stop arguing about the nuances of a rap line.
FriarEunuch said "respectfully disagree" and "you arrogant slob" in the same post... nice.
JtheLegend ends the wank (for now, at least) with:
Dude, no one has posted anything on the topic since wednesday morning, so obviously this "childish banter" as you so described it has subsided.
Anyway, it's just a wee wank (and really quite polite, as far as wank goes). I'm looking forward to following it until the nomination announcements are made in a week or two. I'm hoping for a shitstorm of controversy like the 2004 CARAs. My god, the bitching over the choices made was epic... well, epic for a cappellery.
This wank is thanks to the RARB forums.
The topic is which tracks will be making it onto the Best of College A cappella (BOCA) 2006 CD.
The wank begins in response to this comment by JtheLegend. In his list of recommendations, he mentions this track:
"Crazy Train" - Clefs (though the 2nd rapper just can't quite keep up with Twista and imho that does severely hurt the strength of the track)
H.F. takes offense to this:
...you're judging this song by criteria that are too narrow and just off base to some extent. You're welcome to your opinion, as to how a group should have interpreted a line, or delivered same. But even if your opinion was "right", in the case of this track the sum is much greater than this part. Come mid-November, you're likely to see that.
Interrogating the text from the wrong perspective, maybe? Mid-November is when the BOCA nominations come out.
JtheLegend responds:
Dude, are you in the group or something? Perhaps maybe even the 2nd soloist on teh track? 'cause you seem mighty offended. Relax a bit, it's not changing my views anyway. On the whole, it's a strong album and that track in particular isn't bad, but that dude rubs me the wrong way and if anyone has heard the original song, it's very noticeable how off he is. I'm not saynig that I know all about how to interpret something, but unlike with changing things melodically while SINGING, it just sounds weird and possibly wrong when you change the timing of a RAP lyric. I say this as a lyricist myself....it just changes the flow and feel of the song. Rappers speak to a certain beat for a reason and just like with singing it changes the focus and emphasis with a different take, however with rap it doesn't particularly change the emotion of the song, so it just sounds very weird to mine and many of my friends' ears...who also happen to rap. But again, it's a strong album on the whole. Chill out. Take a Xanny, whatever you need to do and stop trying to pick a fight.
FriarEunuch shows up to defend H.F.:
Many people dislike hearing a very familiar solo covered, for that very reason, and would probably be just as adamant about it. Both are overreactions, imo. Had you never heard the original version, you’d be duly impressed.
Just want to point out that you were the one who dropped the f-bomb (in a public forum) immediately in your attempted refutation. Might want to take your own advice, you arrogant slob.
Oh no, swearing on a message board populated by college students and older! (JtheLegend dropped a tongue-in-cheek "fuck" in this comment, if you're interested.)
H.F. backpedals:
Dude, I'm not even close to being offended, nor am I trying to change your views - why would I want to? There's not much point or reason. I'm also not the lyricist in question, nor in the group at all. You're a Rapper and are best buds with Twista and all, so it stands to reason you're gonna have strong feelings about the track - that's totally cool. And I don't disagree with parts of your assessment - I just don't see that it's germane to it's inclusion on BOCA.
And yeah, the "mid-November" comment was just a bit of fun :)
WareHauser breaks out the sporadic all-caps:
It's funny, because when the Spartones' Stutter was recorded, it irritated me to NO END that the rap was "wrong." I mean, he wasn't even CLOSE to the original. And NO ONE complained, or even mentioned it. Granted, it's not the Clefs. The Clefs have come to set a certain standard when it relates to hip-hop and rap. But it seemed to be somewhat popular for awhile there...
The Clefs were TRYING to immitate the original... and when you attempt to do that and fail at something like rhythm in a rap, it's noticeable. Does that make it any less hot? Hell no.
Everyone should find a track that DEEMS this sort of childish banter, and stop arguing about the nuances of a rap line.
FriarEunuch said "respectfully disagree" and "you arrogant slob" in the same post... nice.
JtheLegend ends the wank (for now, at least) with:
Dude, no one has posted anything on the topic since wednesday morning, so obviously this "childish banter" as you so described it has subsided.
Anyway, it's just a wee wank (and really quite polite, as far as wank goes). I'm looking forward to following it until the nomination announcements are made in a week or two. I'm hoping for a shitstorm of controversy like the 2004 CARAs. My god, the bitching over the choices made was epic... well, epic for a cappellery.
