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randomsome1 (randomsome1) wrote in otf_wank,
@ 2005-11-18 19:39:00

Petbulls mess

jjgbabygirl posts about how her dog had mange and she had to put it down.

Community members stomp her.

Insert abortion stance posturing, multiple cries of 'get your dog fixed', accusations of trolling, clamoring that the people attacking the OP should be ashamed of themselves, and finally an "I'm leaving the community, you meanies!" post. It's at over a hundred replies and counting.

(reposted because I can't type)

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	doomsday 2005-11-19 02:04 am UTC (link)
	Damn. I'm a hardcore supporter of spaying and neutering, but I feel sorry for this lady. Talk about jumping down someone's throat, especially after losing a beloved pet apparently because several vets misinformed her! If I ever put down one of my kitties on a vet's advice and then found out it wasn't fatal, I'd be a wreck. (Reply to this)(Thread)

randomsome1
2005-11-19 02:06 am UTC (link)

Yeah, if I was given that kind of advice for any of my critters only to find out that it was wrong advice, someone would probably end up losing a limb. However, reading further in shows that the OP rejects all information that goes against what the vets told her and let her dog become an unfixed hairless bleeding ball of sores and pus before finally taking it to another vet.

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doomsday, 2005-11-19 02:24 am UTC

somnambulicious, 2005-11-19 02:33 am UTC

ruby_tuesday, 2005-11-19 02:46 am UTC

somnambulicious, 2005-11-19 02:49 am UTC

vigilanterodent, 2005-11-19 03:02 am UTC

pokecheck, 2005-11-19 03:18 am UTC

ruby_tuesday, 2005-11-19 03:03 am UTC

narcissam, 2005-11-19 03:24 am UTC

randomsome1, 2005-11-19 03:57 am UTC

doomsday, 2005-11-19 03:14 am UTC

katienichol, 2005-11-19 04:49 am UTC

goldberry, 2005-11-20 01:29 am UTC

platedlizard, 2005-11-19 04:03 am UTC

sarracenia, 2005-11-19 04:52 am UTC

katienichol, 2005-11-19 04:57 am UTC

keri, 2005-11-19 05:06 am UTC

katienichol, 2005-11-19 05:31 am UTC

megd, 2005-11-19 02:43 pm UTC

moonjaguar, 2005-11-19 05:32 am UTC

moonjaguar, 2005-11-19 05:33 am UTC

iczer6, 2005-11-19 07:08 am UTC

michmatch, 2005-11-19 09:27 am UTC

katienichol, 2005-11-19 07:04 am UTC

frequentmouse, 2005-11-19 07:42 am UTC

vigilanterodent, 2005-11-19 05:36 pm UTC

gunshou, 2005-11-19 10:44 pm UTC

aerobot, 2005-11-19 07:34 am UTC

I like her a lot, but I don't believe her. - (Anonymous), 2005-11-19 05:49 pm UTC

	(Anonymous) 2005-11-19 10:56 am UTC (link)
	True. I'm all for ice logic and minds-not-hearts most of the time, but damn, that's some heartless shit over there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	pokecheck 2005-11-19 02:49 am UTC (link)
	That's a lot of bad vets out there. (Reply to this)(Thread)

Vets can be stupid

platedlizard
2005-11-19 04:25 am UTC (link)

I worked at one place last year that was breeding endangered geese for release. This was in Hawaii on Maui, which has a problem with avian malaria. Geese can carry malaria and not get sick, so they had to quarintine all geese that were going to other islands for it and run several bloodtests to make sure they didn't have it.

They used a couple of local vets, because drawing blood wasn't exactly a skilled job and they didn't want to haul in the program's avian vet from San Deigo out to do routine blood work.

These geese were rather timid, and wouldn't leave their carriers voluntarily. So the vets in question *dumped one* onto the concrete floor of the mosquito quarintine barn instead of simply reaching inside the carrier and hauling the goose out. Surprise surpise, the goose broke a leg. Then the vets tried to blame the *program staff* for the break (which they said occured during capture), which is a very serious charge. Only problem with that little theory is that paticular type of break only happens when the goose steps down and twists their leg (from, say being dumped out of a crate), not from flying into a wall.

I still can't believe how dumb they were. You don't dump an animal out of a carrier onto a concrete floor. You just don't.

And that's not even going into the vet that wanted to do a $300 bloodtest on plucking parakeet I had, that later died because he had a roundworm infection. The vet wanted to do the bloodtest, but didn't even bother to do a $20 fecal first. (and I was too cowardly to SPEAK UP and demand one, sadly) At best the bloodtest would have shown elevated whiteblood cells. My normal vet, who was on vacation at the time or I would have gone to her, was flabergasted that the other vet didn't do a fecal.

So yes, there are a lot of bad vets out there.

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Re: Vets can be stupid - (Anonymous), 2005-11-19 01:58 pm UTC

Re: Vets can be stupid -

kirarose, 2005-11-19 09:14 pm UTC

Re: Vets can be stupid - (Anonymous), 2005-11-23 05:52 am UTC

	rachelmap 2005-11-19 03:19 am UTC (link)
	Mange can get as bad as that? Well, you learn someting new every day, I guess... No, I still don't buy it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	msmanna 2005-11-19 03:41 am UTC (link)
	I stayed on a farm where one of the dogs was on its 'last chance' treatment for some type of mange, with the next step being to have it put down. Despite repeated vet visits, and various different treatments, the mange was just chronically unresponsive. So I guess sometimes there is no other option. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rachelmap, 2005-11-19 06:43 am UTC

hristaesir, 2005-11-19 08:28 am UTC

aerobot, 2005-11-19 02:22 pm UTC

	(Anonymous) 2005-11-19 10:00 am UTC (link)
	In one of James Herriot's books, he recounts having to put a dog down because it had really bad mange. The dog's name was Amber. And it's been ten years since I read those books. ~sudaki on LJ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sharps, 2005-11-19 11:10 am UTC

	gal_montag 2005-11-19 03:41 am UTC (link)
	Damn, dude, she's not a vet, she has no choice but to listen to the vet. It's not her fault if he's wrong. And if she's going to keep the puppies, what the fuck is the problem? (Reply to this)(Thread)

randomsome1
2005-11-19 03:55 am UTC (link)

There's apparently two possibilities for the mange - one's caused by a hereditary condition. The puppies are theoretically by the dog that just got put down - but then again, the OP isn't sure. See: irresponsible breeding. Plus there's that entire bit about how a majority of people on the community rescue dogs from shelters and apply to the 'don't breed or buy while shelter dogs die' aphorism. Long story short, this pushed a whole lot of buttons.

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gal_montag, 2005-11-19 04:04 am UTC

randomsome1, 2005-11-19 04:15 am UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2005-11-19 11:48 pm UTC

gal_montag, 2005-11-20 04:15 pm UTC

gunshou
2005-11-19 10:50 pm UTC (link)

Yeah...but, like one poster said, if you had a strange condition that was misdiagnosed and somebody said it was terminal, wouldn't you, oh, educate yourself? It sucks that she lost her dog, but her biggest excuse seems to be ignorance, and I'm not sure I can muster a whole lot of sympathy for that.

I wish the people in that community had refrained from jumping down her throat, but she really did seem to have her tin hat firmly strapped on.

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gal_montag, 2005-11-20 04:13 pm UTC

	scarah2 2005-11-19 03:43 am UTC (link)
	Spaying pregnant dog = bad Euthanizing existing dog for having mites = good Okay! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	randomsome1 2005-11-19 04:16 am UTC (link)
	Earth logic, right? Save the unborn baby muttpuppies! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	keri 2005-11-19 04:28 am UTC (link)
	I got the impression that Titan was really ill from the mites and having gone to a dumbass vet, the problem was just getting worse, and it'd be better to euthanize him, but she didn't want to. She mentioned somewhere that the vet who did it didn't really give her a choice. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

gunshou, 2005-11-19 10:55 pm UTC

(no subject) - sceach, 2005-12-14 11:54 pm UTC

	chaos_theory 2005-11-20 06:22 am UTC (link)
	Thanks, that was just what I was wondering. I guess things need to be fully concious for killing them to be o.k., you know, so they can really know what they're missing. Or maybe it's because puppies are CUTE! And killing cute things is immoral. It's true, it's in the bible... ...or somewhere. (Reply to this)(Parent)

hellespont
2005-11-19 07:24 am UTC (link)

My mom and I foster cats for the local animal shelter. Sometimes we foster mama cats, one of whom was taken in when she was only a little bit pregnant, and I asked why they didn't just go ahead and spay her anyway.* The shelter lady looked at me like I was ev0l and asked me if I was willing to do it. Well, no, lady, I'm not a vet. Although I think my use of the words "kitty abortion" may also have ticked her off. Anyway, the kittens were born in my bedroom and were utter loves, but I still think the shelters should nip things in the bud, so to speak, when they get the chance.

*My feelings on this are assuming that the risks to mama cat of being spayed while pregnant are not greater than the risks of giving birth. Again, I'm not a vet!

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platedlizard
2005-11-19 08:57 am UTC (link)

One of my parent's cats was pregnant when they got her spayed. In fact they spayed her when they found out she was pregnant. From what I understand the incision was just a bit bigger then it would be normally.

I can see where it might be better to let a full term pregnant cat give birth, because then the incision would be HUGE and probably riskier then letting her give birth*, but there's no reason not to abort early on.

*I am not a vet and might be wrong on this

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	entelodont 2005-11-19 06:47 pm UTC (link)
	I believe it is more dangerous to spay a cat when it's pregnant or in heat, because the organs are enlarged and have a greater blood flow. Whether it's more dangerous than giving birth, I can't say, but presumably a normal birth without complications is notably less dangerous than any kind of major surgery. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaos_theory 2005-11-20 06:36 am UTC (link)
	When I was little we ended up getting our cat a kitty abortion. It was no big deal and the vet was the one who suggested it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sceach 2005-12-14 11:55 pm UTC (link)
	shrugs The vet hospital I used to work in did animal abortions. Certainly better than filling up a shelter. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	fevered_ego 2005-11-19 12:57 pm UTC (link)
	Remind me to never get a pitbull. They apparently make their owners into shrill bitches. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	aerobot 2005-11-19 02:28 pm UTC (link)
	Much love for the Thriller!Micheal icon. That's my favorite one. XD (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sceach 2005-12-14 11:56 pm UTC (link)
	Unfortunately, that tends to be true, though I know at least one owner who is very down to earth. Sadly, she tends to get the shit flamed out of her on pitbull forums for suggesting basic dog care, so go figure. People are so fucking stupid about animals anyway. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

randomsome1, 2005-12-15 04:13 am UTC

(no subject) - sceach, 2006-03-19 06:26 am UTC

randomsome1, 2006-03-19 08:01 am UTC

gunshou
2005-11-19 10:59 pm UTC (link)

Am I the only one wondering how this girl is going to manage her three surviving dogs, a litter of eight or so puppies, and a newborn baby? That's a shitstorm in a bottle, there.

I feel sorry for her and think the community members could have backed off once they saw she wasn't listening, but she seriously doesn't strike me as a good decision-maker.

(using my only puppy icon)

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	randomsome1 2005-11-20 12:30 am UTC (link)
	Yeah - especially if (as she says) she didn't get either this dog or the female fixed due to budgeting problems. (Reply to this)(Parent)

v_digitalwytch, 2005-11-20 05:06 am UTC

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