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	chopperbetty 2005-12-01 01:16 am UTC (link)
	I have to say, eye_static's comment "alright im getting sick of your avatar. you win" cracked me up. (Reply to this)

	jedilora 2005-12-01 01:26 am UTC (link)
	Hmm. I think that makes it official-every community I belong that has activity has been wanked now. ^^ (Reply to this)

marlo
2005-12-01 01:40 am UTC (link)

Music Snob Hat ON!

None of those bands are post-punk. Post-punk existed in the early 80s and was characterized by bands like Gang of Four and Joy Division. This person is trying to make up their own definition of post-punk: "shit that's influenced by 90s pop-punk and came after it." No, and in fact, you are the weakest link, goodbye.

Don't even get me started on emo. Evanescence and Linkin Park are not emo. Emo is not just sad rock.

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	morganya 2005-12-01 01:51 am UTC (link)
	Thank you for saying what I was thinking. Jesus Christ, I love PJ Harvey too, but she's not a post-punk artist. Damn kids with their music. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	marlo 2005-12-01 06:37 am UTC (link)
	I know. I was total scenester before I made the transition to internet fangirl. The only good thing about it is that sometimes I can totally call people on their "I know ~~nothing~~ everything about music" bullshit. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	here4tehwank 2005-12-02 06:38 pm UTC (link)
	Amen! I was reading the PJ Harvey part and was all, "WTF? Bitch, please." (Reply to this)(Parent)

napoleon
2005-12-01 04:05 am UTC (link)

Yeah, but the problem with the word "emo" is that it's strayed from what it used to mean. It's come to define a subpopulation of hipster culture, with references to non-emo bands, clothing styles, makeup, etc., and that's not it. Real emo music =/= pseudo-intellectual hipsters, but that's the connection that's been forged, so help us, Oberst.

Though anyone who thinks Linkin Park is emo needs a swift kick to the head. I mean ... how the fuck do you wind up with that result? Seriously.

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	miss_padfoot 2005-12-01 05:59 am UTC (link)
	When I first learned what emo was, my friend told me that emo was short for emotional, so I assumed that angsty rock was emo by definition, and Linkin Park fits that. It's not that unreasonable, even if it's wrong. In fact, I still don't know what the hell emo is, but I know I like this icon. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

marlo
2005-12-01 06:33 am UTC (link)

It's jusy really weird that it went from an obscure musical genre (I bet 1 in 100 people who use the word could name some actual emo bands) to a word people throw around on the internet without really knowing what it means.

I mean, seriously, the emo scene was fucking MINISCULE when it existed. Most people only know about it because of all the "Cheer Up Emo Kid" anti-emo stuff that inexplicably became very popular. The phenomenon of making fun of emo is way, way more popular than emo ever was.

P.S. Your icon is hilarious.

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	miss_padfoot 2005-12-01 04:24 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm, okay. So what makes an emo band emo? It doesn't seem to be the lyrics, since not everyone with angsty lyrics qualifies. Is it a certain sort of drum riff, or a certain kind of chord combination? Is it about instrumentation? Sorry for asking all these questions, I'm a bit of a music whore... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

marlo
2005-12-01 04:36 pm UTC (link)

no prob! It's guitar style, song structure, vocals, and other stuff. This website is probably the best emo reference online.

The first ever emo band was Rites of Spring, which was formed by Ian Mackaye (of Minor Threat and Fugazi fame). The Washington, DC scene spawned a bunch of similar-sounding bands. The music was raw, screamy, and emotional. Sometimes people would cry on stage while they were singing, and hence the term was born. The genre started out being really heavy and screamy, but became more poppy with bands like Jimmy Eat World. I urge you to check out that site, though. They know what the hell they're talking about. :)

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	marlo 2005-12-01 06:26 am UTC (link)
	well, I've grown used to the transition fron Mineral, Cap'n Jazz, and The Promise Ring to like, Good Charlotte or whatever. But Linkin Park.. yeah, just NO. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	milkshake 2005-12-01 05:50 am UTC (link)
	I'm using THIS to define "emo," and none of you jerks can tell me differently! Muahaha! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	marlo 2005-12-01 06:34 am UTC (link)
	I can accept that, because your icon rules. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	belafarinrod 2005-12-01 03:12 pm UTC (link)
	So, since you seem to have some idea of strange music styles I don't know... can you tell me wtf nu-metal is? I don't listen to it (I think) but I hear people wank about how Dir en grey is nu-metal and that, apparantly, sucks. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	marlo 2005-12-01 04:00 pm UTC (link)
	I don't really listen to metal these days, but back when I did (early to mid 90s), nu metal was like, more alternative-y (more power chords, less crazy guitar solos, more growly screamy vocals and less singing) and different than metal from the 80s (e.g. Metallica, Iron Maiden). Korn and the Deftones were nu metal. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chibikaijuu 2005-12-01 04:08 pm UTC (link)
	I keep feeling you've left a letter off there. I think the phrase you are searching for is "gnu metal". (Reply to this)(Parent)

	jetamors 2005-12-01 02:44 am UTC (link)
	"access to all styles makes music a gigantic disgusting melting pot" I could make a long overwrought post about how access to other styles and traditions is what causes innovation and is the true source of most of the good music in the world, but instead I'll just point and laugh. points and laughs (Reply to this)(Thread)

	azhidahaki 2005-12-02 06:17 pm UTC (link)
	I'll point and laugh with you. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	milkshake 2005-12-01 03:44 am UTC (link)
	GAH. ontheqt wanks EVERYWHERE S/HE GOES! At least it's not just on the Beatle communities anymore, though. HOORAY. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	frau_eva 2005-12-01 05:45 am UTC (link)
	Boondocks icon! lurvs (Reply to this)(Parent)

	entelodont 2005-12-01 04:51 pm UTC (link)
	Aww, I was hoping for a "They're/you're not REAL punks" digression. Because people who know REAL punks (or any non-pop genre) can generate wank like whoa. But I'm one of those who intentionally mislabels music to make the snobs flail and spit. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	(Anonymous) 2005-12-01 06:28 pm UTC (link)
	Ah, that would explain some of the genres that my iTunes spits up from time to time... like whoever labeled the Tales from the Crypt theme as "blues". (Reply to this)(Parent)

	supertetris 2005-12-01 11:35 pm UTC (link)
	I don't care about anything because At The Drive In was mentioned~ And now I shall use my Omar icon and rejoice~ /shameless fangirl (Reply to this)(Thread)

	dandywolves 2005-12-02 01:55 am UTC (link)
	every time atdi gets mentioned, I have to pop up and mention that they're from my hometown and I'm friends with a girl who's cousins with one of the guys in the band. no, I don't know which one. I think he was one of the ones that was also in sparta, though. (Reply to this)(Parent)