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Birdy ([info]skewed_tartan) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-01-08 17:12:00


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Current mood:GRRRRRR

"I would be pretty stupid if I was tolerant towards those that I percieved as a threat."
It always starts out so innocently....

Hellfire
shares her view on the matter. Aki challeneges her view point, and away we go!

After some debating over poltical views between hellfire's view that Bush is the savior of the Earth and everyone else's view, we get to the heart of the matter.



Needless to say, I'd never set foot in a muslim country, not unless I was armed, given a substantial amount of danger money to go, and given a bullet proof vest.. I'm the wrong color and the wrong gender (they don't have any respect for white women didn't you know... look at how they treat their own women), most importantly, I am not muslim. On all three counts I'd be automatically classed as scum... which is how the middle east sees the whole of western civilisation. I'd never trust one of them, EVER.

Even when they're living in my country, they do not mix with anyone else unless there is money involved. They know full well how to claim benefits but won't speak English most of the time. They scream racism if they aren't given preferential treatment, and nobody else is racist (Britain is a very multicultural society, we've had people virtually everywhere else here and had no problems whatsoever with any of them), they're racist. It's now illegal to say Christmas in publiuc some areas of the country in case it offends the muslims... last time I checked the UK was still a predominantly Christian country. Nobody else gets all offended by it. We fall back any further and they've won! Equal rights should mean equal rights, not giving a large minority all the say.


Of course it all goes downhill (even faster) from there.

At least one "ebil muslim terroist!11! tries to reason with her. However Hellfire just goes on to show she has no idea that "fundmentalist" and "majority" are two different things.


Even if I see a muslim woman in a store who looks friendly enough, I won't talk to her in case her husband gives her grief about it later.

Not many muslims want to mix with us and get to know us as the nice and friendly bunch we are, in my country they segregate themselves and speak to us only if business is involved. They would never make non-muslim friend, because they don't mix with non-believers.

I've never encountered such an intolerant and horrible group of people as the muslims who live in my city.

Yes she actually said that, with a straight face I'd imangine.

Another question, how come the parents choose who marries who? Parents can have some pretty whacked up ideas on who would make a good partner. I remember when my mother tried to persuade me to go out with somebody that I only liked as a friend... needless to say, I told her to piss off. A muslim doesn't have the right to do that, they have to obey their parents and marry the person whether they like him/her or not.


pwned.



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[info]b_jellybean
2006-01-09 02:32 am UTC (link)
Hellfire, I wouldn't want to mix with you either.

FWIW, though, I have a Muslim friend whose parents are currently trying to find a husband for her, and the process does unsettle me a little, but a. that's just my personal reaction, b. to the best of my knowledge, the girls ARE allowed to accept or reject their potential husband, as my friend has done so before and another friend has refused to let her marriage be arranged at all, and c. that's hardly a resson to condemn an entire culture.

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[info]darthmaligna
2006-01-09 02:50 am UTC (link)
If we're going to go around condemning religions over arranged marriages, maybe we should have a little look at the Hindus. I have a friend whose older sister very seriously considered asking her Indian-immigrant parents to arrange a marriage for her to save her the trouble. Of course, my friend's other older sister married a white guy from Jersey and my friend herself is dating a bloke of Polish descent who has a huge crucifix and bleeding heart tattooed on his back.

If that isn't proof that those ebil Hindus are oppressing their women with arranged marriages, I don't know what is.

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[info]b_jellybean
2006-01-09 07:30 am UTC (link)
Oh those ebil Hindus.

I like the part about the crucifix. That amuses me muchly.

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[info]darthmaligna
2006-01-09 08:07 am UTC (link)
You should have seen how friendly my palm and my face got when I found out.

Of course, I'm one to talk; I have "Don't panic." written in the same spot. >_>

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[info]miss_padfoot
2006-01-09 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Is it written in large, friendly letters?

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[info]plazmah
2006-01-09 11:14 pm UTC (link)
Hindu girl representing here ;) My parents have started trying to find a guy for me and at this point I'm pretty much humouring them. I'm only 25 and have no desire to be married whatsoever. Thus far all their choices have been big fat duds (which, for the life of them, they can't understand why) but who knows, they might get it right.

In the meantime, I am still checking out random guys at bars and clubs. And my brother is dating an Italian girl with scary!Catholic parents. Hooray for a diverse upbringing.

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[info]rachelmap
2006-01-09 06:13 am UTC (link)
I've always thought arranged marriages were just easier than going out and finding a spouse on your own. As long as the people involved can say "No, I don't like him/her," and have their wishes respected, I don't see anything wrong with it.

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[info]b_jellybean
2006-01-09 07:28 am UTC (link)
It's not so much that it's an arranged mariage, it's that, at least for my friend, there's a significant age difference. While I can see in some ways how that would be advantageous for financial reasons, I can't stop thinking "but you're only 19!" I guess I'm just stuck in my own culture :(

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[info]rachelmap
2006-01-09 09:41 am UTC (link)
19? That's a bit young. What's the rush?

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[info]b_jellybean
2006-01-09 06:01 pm UTC (link)
That is what I'd like to know.

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[info]plazmah
2006-01-09 11:19 pm UTC (link)
I know with my parents (who are pretty damn liberal compared to some of my other relatives) they started asking me to think about marriage when I was 22, so it's concievable that more traditional families would start getting their children married even earlier. I'm not sure what the exact reasons would be, but my mom always told me how good it would be for me to get a head start on having kids and raising a family while I was young and *ahem* fertile. She still thinks 28 is kinda late for getting married.

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[info]rachelmap
2006-01-10 04:12 am UTC (link)
28? I was 34. But then, I waited until I met the right guy.

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[info]plazmah
2006-01-10 10:42 pm UTC (link)
Good for you! I hope don't get apathetic enough to give up and settle.

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(Anonymous)
2006-01-09 01:42 pm UTC (link)
I think the main point here is that it's useless to use arranged marriage as a condemnation of Islam in its entirety, since arranged marriage has been practiced by oh, a bazillion cultures or so since the dawn of civilized history. It is still practiced in many areas of Asia and Africa for certain, and in aboriginal cultures all over the world.

Christians have certainly utilized it over the years as well... and is still practiced en masse (and of the forced variety) in some fundamentalist, polygamist Christian enclaves in North America, where women are traditionally married at 15 or 16 to much older men, often as a "reward" from the area's spiritual leader (which also undercuts her previous assertion that women are never, ever considered property in the West).

Furthermore, not all Muslims practice arranged marriage, and many of them that do are happy with it... for instance, I know some modern, Canadian-born Hindus who entered into an arranged marriage and preferred it like that, for a variety of reasons which I won't get into here.

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[info]b_jellybean
2006-01-09 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I am abolutely not saying that the arranged marriage should be used to condemn Islam, and I do know that it's been used all over. I'm just saying that when my young friends are being set up with much older men, I personally find it a bit unsettling. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the culture just because I'm not comfortable with it, though.

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[info]smo
2006-01-09 02:53 pm UTC (link)
Also, I have to say, it really does sound like it takes care of a lot of the guesswork.

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[info]b_jellybean
2006-01-09 06:02 pm UTC (link)
And you know your parents will like him, I guess, which would be a good reassurance.

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[info]slackerbitch
2006-01-16 11:55 pm UTC (link)
Y'know, as much as I'm an advocate for love being the lead-in to marriage, arranged marriages would sure fix shit like "Janey ran off to Vegas on her 19th birthday and married that crack-smoking biker she's hanging around with."

I mean, it's not like the going divorce rate is a big selling point for traditional choose-your-partner-do-si-do style marriage.

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