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whiskey on a sunday ([info]semiotics) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-01-10 19:25:00


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Current music:PJ Harvey & Bjork - Leaving on a Jet Plane

Frank Miller and feminism! (and boobies.)
I'm surprised no one got to this before, what with the amount of people in both s_d and f_w.

[info]teh_no posts to scans_daily with pages from All-Star Batman and Robin.

People point out Frank Miller's misogyny.

(Humor points for [info]kitsune_ and his HE'S THE GODDAMN FRANK MILLER response.)


Then [info]coldbirth asks, Who do the quoted bits after the script come from?
The answer is: Gloria Steinem! And usher in the feminist wank.

[info]coldbirth has a problem with feminism. [info]anashi has a problem with coldbirth's problem, and also apparently with commas -- and, as it turns out, with the word 'feminazi'. And recognizing sarcasm.

[info]thekingofbleh is a cliche, according to anashi, who then argues with him for far too long, making my eyes glaze over; then [info]fripple jumps in, again proving that anashi can't recognize sarcasm when she sees it.

[info]thekingofbleh says,
I do, however, mind when someone decides to throw all sense of civility out the door and to start calling me an "anti-feminist prick" and so on
; anashi takes offense to him pointing out her lack of civility. Apparently, pointing out a lack of politeness is now misogynist.

Anashi comes back later in the thread, saying Teh No, I have no idea why you posted this, since you seem like you have problems with feminism. Is this some kind of sarcasm? It's not a funny oversight, because plenty of feminists have talked about marriage and feminism. And Gloria Steinem is not the be all and end all of feminist literature.

[info]teh_no responds with the Well-Adjusted Person's way of thinking about feminism:

And, just to be clear, I have a problem with any brand of feminism that considers a career woman to be morally superior to a stay-at-home mom, just as I have a problem with any worldview that condemns women to only being "barefoot and pregnant." In my opinion, feminism is having the choice to do whatever a woman prefers. Condemning one for how they use that choice is wrong, whether it's against stay-at-home moms or career women.

Watch! As some people make statements or jokes about feminism, and marvel! As [info]anashi manages to miss the point every time.


(For added amusement, [info]duae invokes Godwin's on Gloria Steinem.)

EDIT: The mod makes an STFU post. [info]anashi says, So it's a 'be misogynistic and get away with it' community. Gotcha. Funny, you know I've seen lots of debates on Scans_daily but this is the one that gets picked out, obviously forgetting the great slash debates of a few months ago.




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(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 02:23 am UTC

[info]teapotgirl
2006-01-11 02:25 am UTC (link)
Don't forget < a href="http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/1291877.html?thread=39138661#t39138661">anashi's "you're condoning misogyny" in the mod's modly STFU post.</a>

(reposted to fix html typo. Sorry!)

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[info]funwithrage
2006-01-11 02:30 am UTC (link)
I'm failing to see the misogyny, so much. There's a woman. She's half-naked. She's sexy. Is this some sort of feminist iss--


--ohh, right, the "feminist" thing where sex is evil unless you care deeply about the person's soul or something.

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-01-11 02:33 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 03:26 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-01-12 02:29 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2006-01-11 04:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-01-11 05:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iczer6, 2006-01-11 05:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-01-11 06:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2006-01-11 04:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-01-11 05:41 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-01-11 06:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 06:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2006-01-11 11:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-01-11 07:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2006-01-11 11:11 pm UTC
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[info]shoiryu
2006-01-11 02:33 am UTC (link)
...I'm clearly a terrible traitor to my sex because I don't see anti-feminism anywhere near that. Wow, way to froth at the mouth for no good reason, [info]anashi.

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(no subject) - [info]miss_arel, 2006-01-12 07:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_arel, 2006-01-12 08:06 am UTC

[info]esclaramonde
2006-01-11 02:38 am UTC (link)
It's quite possible I missed the essay where Gloria Steinem writes "When I said 'A liberated woman is one who has sex before marriage and a job after,' I was just making a generalization for quotable effect. My actual position is much more involved and can't really be summed up in a witty one-liner."

Teh_no is teh_win.

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(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2006-01-11 06:07 am UTC

[info]elle
2006-01-11 02:57 am UTC (link)
You know, on the grand scale of insulting things I've seen in relation to comic books, this might reach as high as a four.

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(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 08:36 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 09:17 pm UTC

dracothelizard
2006-01-11 03:04 am UTC (link)
Hey, why didn't Kim Basinger strut around in lingerie in Batman? Now I feel cheated :(

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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-01-11 03:17 am UTC
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[info]felinephoenix
2006-01-11 03:19 am UTC (link)
I thought about posting this but I was too lazy.

Which reminds me, shouldn't this be on F_W? Comics is a fandom, after all.

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(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 03:23 am UTC
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[info]azarias
2006-01-11 03:23 am UTC (link)
I'm amused by the "T&A is evil" wank happening on the same day as another "slade_daily" crotch-shot post.

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[info]miharu
2006-01-11 03:33 am UTC (link)
http://www.livejournal.com/community/scans_daily/1291877.html

Mod alert.

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[info]skewed_tartan
2006-01-11 03:38 am UTC (link)
Dear wanker,

I will kill whomever takes the T&A of either sex out of Scans_daily.

Luv,
a horny bi girl.

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(no subject) - [info]jenny_atrox, 2006-01-12 02:11 am UTC

[info]ravenscanary
2006-01-11 03:48 am UTC (link)
anashi has been friended by exactly one person. This is just too precious.

anashi's LJ User Info

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(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 04:05 am UTC
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[info]nekoama
2006-01-11 04:14 am UTC (link)
You know, I had a long rant about feminists and how they all miss the point and can't we all just get along and ps anashi just. doesn't. get. it.

But boobies. And pretty panites. Can't sentence properly.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-01-11 05:58 am UTC

[info]dandywolves
2006-01-11 04:16 am UTC (link)
I love how everyone is weirded out by her just walking around in only her underwear. I don't know about you guys, but I walk around my house in underwear all the time. If I didn't live with other people and it wasn't so damn cold right now, I would probably never wear pants.

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(no subject) - [info]ayezur, 2006-01-11 04:30 am UTC
So... - [info]mcity, 2006-01-11 06:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dandywolves, 2006-01-11 06:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]phosfate, 2006-01-11 03:37 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-01-11 05:46 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-01-11 06:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2006-01-11 11:29 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-01-11 04:16 am UTC (link)
More feminist wank, gah.

If you're a woman who chooses not to have sex until marriage or chooses not to have a job after marriage, you're not "liberated."

So because I choose not to have sex, I'm anti-feminist? Thank you for pointing this out to me. I must go find some guy to sleep with right now to prove my support for women's rights. [/sarcasm]

Seriously, though, although I'm not anti-feminism, I think I am anti-feminist, as they all seem to be batshit insane.

- Mouse, who really needs a JF account

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[info]gal_montag
2006-01-11 04:19 am UTC (link)
1. Leave Frank Miller alone, goddammit, 2. I only know Viki Vale from the first Batman movie, and as I recall, she was a dumb bimbo and Miller's depiction of her is right on as far as I know. (Of course I'm less than a scholar of DC comic books...)

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(no subject) - [info]doroc_sabah, 2006-01-11 06:14 pm UTC

[info]mael
2006-01-11 04:38 am UTC (link)
While Miller is creepy with his anf! anf! butt shot! attitude -- and DUDE, where have you people BEEN, it's Frank Fucking Miller -- I was generally more preoccupied with his turning Batman into a rabid moron. But that's me.

Also, the "I'm/he's/it's the goddam X" thing? Was funny the first dozen times, guys, now it's just... not. Let's move on to "that's totally queer!" from #3, okay?

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[info]amxjm
2006-01-11 05:48 am UTC (link)
Just a small thing, but [info]kitsune_ is a man, man.

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(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-01-11 06:05 am UTC

[info]khym_chanur
2006-01-11 05:51 am UTC (link)
The only Frank Miller stuff that I've read/seen was Ronnin, and that was years ago, so what is all this stuff about Miller's misogyny/issues/etc?

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[info]kijikun
2006-01-11 06:01 am UTC (link)
Anashi needs to chill out a bit.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-01-11 12:28 pm UTC (link)
That was some mighty stupid coming from [info]anashi but really, [info]teh_no was fishing for the wank with that post.

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(no subject) - [info]teapotgirl, 2006-01-11 06:15 pm UTC

[info]ecchaniz0r
2006-01-11 01:54 pm UTC (link)
grungehamster has the Best Username Ev0r.

</gratuitous pillows fangirling>

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[info]doroc_sabah
2006-01-11 02:19 pm UTC (link)
Yes, because a community mostly composed of, created and run by women is totally mysoginistic.

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[info]kadath
2006-01-11 03:58 pm UTC (link)
I thought everyone already knew that Miller was an absolute genius with light and shadow and panel layout, but has enormous issues and shouldn't be allowed to write his own stories anymore, 'cause he only has, like, two, which weren't all that great to begin with, and he beat them to death in Sin City. Why are they fighting this battle again?

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(no subject) - [info]ecchaniz0r, 2006-01-11 09:14 pm UTC

[info]annabelle_lee
2006-01-11 07:08 pm UTC (link)
Wow. It's kind of amazing that picture was posted before and no one said a word, but someone throws a shitfit when some quotes from a feminist are attatched to it. It's a good thing I run screaming from anything Frank Millar on principle, otherwise I'd probably wanking as well.

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