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Her Royal Highness the Princess Cimorene ([info]cimorene111) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2003-11-20 18:17:00


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mini britney vs. christina aguilera wank!
summarized for your pleasure, and to save you from the sort of icon and layout prevalent in these communities:

background:
ms. spears is known for lip-synching and has just released a new album which is being uniformly trashed by the critics. her buildup for the album included posing topless in Rolling Stone and Entertainment Weekly, bottomless in Esquire, and wearing nothing but a feather boa in (what was it? the NY Post or something?)

the showdown:
xtina, in maxim blender: “Look at people like Beyoncé or Britney. They’re desperate to come across as sweet, good little girls, but then you see them in photo shoots that are extremely sexual—tight little booty shorts, and not much else. SO why do they try to be virginal in interviews?... ’Oh, gosh, I haven’t kissed a boy in I don’t know how long!’... Come on, girls, stop contradicting yourselves! If you want to do those magazine covers and those videos, then fine, more power to you. But don’t revert to innocence afterwards.”

nycteenguy in a christina fans' community: I know it's a stupid thing to do and I might get bashed but I'll do it anyway. But I'm leaving this community. I want NOTHING at all to do with Christina Aguilera. Do not go talking about people you don't know. I read the Blender article and seriously... it just ticked me off. Especially what she said about Britney. Britney NOR Beyonce talk about her and she's going to talk about other people and be a bitch? [edited for brevity]

nycteenguy posts about his dear john letter to the christinites in the britney_fans community. (one amusing comment in agreement.) eta: several amusing comments ensue from other enthusiastic britney minions, who are starting to remind me of the fans of cassie claire. the opinion is advanced that britney has class. watch for a chocolate-truffle-sized morsel of snarkwank from me, when my resolve slipped. i'm sure more rah rah rahs will be appearing shortly.

next up, in the comments to the dear john letter...

+speculation gets a little wild!theprankster speculates, possibly prematurely, that christina is just jealous because britney is about to outsell her last album. nycteenguy, almost certainly prematurely, invites theprankster to "Watch [xtina] cry when she loses her fame."

+jaded tries unsuccessfully to introduce consistency to nycteenguy's worldview by pointing out that christina and britney have in fact known each other for years.

+curlietoes points out the oddness of posting a xtina-bashing-note in a fans' community; nycteenguy ignores the point and latches onto semantics.

+what wank would be complete without someone recommending a step back because none of it really matters?


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[info]breathe_again
2003-11-21 03:24 am UTC (link)
I sadly still find myself members of both these communities. Was definitely tempted to leave them, but I'm drawn to the wank like bugs to that zapping thingy. :-)

Despite the moderators intentions at britney_fans of not having negativity, it sure seems to have backfired. 'tis what happens when you get a new album coming out and long time media-fed rivalries between the girls.

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[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 03:52 am UTC (link)
Despite the moderators intentions at britney_fans of not having negativity, it sure seems to have backfired. 'tis what happens when you get a new album coming out and long time media-fed rivalries between the girls.

It's Debbie Gibson versus Tiffany all over again.

The Circle of Wank has just started a new cycle.

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[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 03:55 am UTC (link)
xtina, in maxim blender: “Look at people like Beyoncé or Britney. They’re desperate to come across as sweet, good little girls, but then you see them in photo shoots that are extremely sexual—tight little booty shorts, and not much else.”

I wouldn't talk Christina, what with you and that video of yours where you were all but naked for four minutes of national air time...

*cough*hypocrisy*cough*

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[info]guinevere33
2003-11-21 04:04 am UTC (link)
But that's precisely the point: yes, Christina does those kinds of photoshoots, but then she's also open in interviews about her own sexuality and her public role as an American sexual icon. In fact, she has no problem whatsoever with pop divas doing sexy spreads in magazines.

But what Britney (and I assume Beyonce??) does is pose for the same kinds of photos but then when confronted about them, denies that she has any clue that posing naked has anything to do with sex! There's dozens of quotes from her when asked about the Esquire photoshoot (in which she appeared wearing NO PANTS) where she says, roughly, "I don't see them as sexual, or myself as a sex object. I'm just being Britney!"

THAT is hypocrisy.

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[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 04:11 am UTC (link)
Hmmmm...

*nods* I see your point. I just find it odd that Christina would be saying as much here. But then, I find a lot of things odd (what with being admittedly prudish 'n all).

Now if she (Christina) were to call herself a role model for all that is considered good taste in this day and age...

As to Beyonce... I know nothing about it; this is the first time I've heard about this.

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[info]quinctia
2003-11-21 04:39 am UTC (link)
Britney also claimed they tricked her into posing without her pants.

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[info]ailei
2003-11-21 04:55 am UTC (link)
The scary thing is...

I could actually believe that.

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[info]cimorene111
2003-11-21 05:15 pm UTC (link)
precisely.

her handlers were like, 'stand here, honey. want some coffee? ok, take off your pants.'

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[info]dexwebster
2003-11-25 07:41 pm UTC (link)
I could probably believe it under other circumstances, but in this case they were purposely recreating a shot of Angie Dickinson on the cover in the 60's--she was dressed the same, her hair was styled the exact same way. There's no way Britney couldn't have known what she was doing.

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[info]guinevere33
2003-11-21 05:01 am UTC (link)
As one magazine article I read so blithely put it, "She must be either incredibly stupid, or incredibly smart."

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[info]cimorene111
2003-11-21 05:23 pm UTC (link)
beyoncé is all about being half-nekkid in photo shoots, but then she wants to go out and preach in interviews

1) in favor of church
2) in a highly republican and socially conservative manner
3) against any and all other people, pop divas and little girls alike, who go about half-dressed

destiny's child actually have a song on their last album called 'nasty girl' which i at first took for sarcasm/irony but which is, in fact, totally and completely earnest:

you nasty, put some clothes on
i told you don't go up out your house without your clothes on
i told you you nasty, girl

you're trashy, you're classless girl
you're sleazy, you're freaky

put some clothes on, girl!

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I think...
[info]ailei
2003-11-21 04:04 am UTC (link)
That what Xtina is saying is that she *doesn't* try to pretend she's not a total little skank.

Erm. If I'm translating PopStar correctly tonight, that is.

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Re: I think...
[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 04:08 am UTC (link)
If that's true then fine; I can see that. If you're not trying to call yourself a role model for the teenyboppers while you carry out semi-clothed soft-porn activities in your videos...

Still, to some extent it seems rather high 'n' mighty to say all that. ("I'm not like Britney because I don't talk out of both sides of my skanky mouth when I gyrate in a bikini cut from dishtowels.")

But then, that's just me 'n all.

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Re: I think...
[info]ailei
2003-11-21 04:21 am UTC (link)
Neither of them are paragons of virtue, but Christina will always get props from me for the 'Beautiful' video.

Me, I'm a 32 year old refugee from Industrial Metal. This whole pop thing? Frankly scares the shit out of me ;) I just go hide behind Trent.

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Re: I think...
[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 04:28 am UTC (link)
Neither of them are paragons of virtue, but Christina will always get props from me for the 'Beautiful' video

All things considered equal, honesty will win out. And it is a positive song, no arguments there.

Me, I'm a 32 year old refugee from Industrial Metal. This whole pop thing? Frankly scares the shit out of me ;) I just go hide behind Trent.

I don't listen to today's pop; I'm too busy living in the past with my classic rock and 80's tunes.

What I don't know won't kill me.

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Re: I think...
[info]cimorene111
2003-11-21 05:19 pm UTC (link)
christina believes in expressing her sexuality. she says she finds empowerment in it; she certainly finds nothing wrong with it. she has never wavered once from this opinion. she is perfectly, letter-perfect consistent. she is all for sexual liberation, for doing whatever you damn well please, and particularly for doing it when you know it will shake people up. she doesn't try to placate people who don't approve of semi-clad photoshoots as britney does (personally, i'm all for semi-clad photoshoots of both sexes, as long as the subject of the photos is attractive. the more sex, the merrier, say i). she doesn't offer herself as a role model.

it may be high-and-mighty and judgmental of christina to say that, but she has never claimed not to be judgmental; in fact, she embraces being bitchy and opinionated. it is certainly not hypocritical, which is what she was speaking against.

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Re: I think...
[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Urgh..

This is what I get when I'm not up-to-speed with pop culture.

Gross inaccuracies on my part.

I really should pay more attention to what the under-20-year-olds are listening to...

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Re: I think...
[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 04:13 am UTC (link)
Then again... Maybe I should just shut up for now lest I stick my foot further into my mouth than it was designed to go...

(There are days when one ideally should just remain silent...)

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[info]fangirl
2003-11-21 07:07 am UTC (link)
dammit, i got there too late!

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[info]shoiryu
2003-11-21 07:44 am UTC (link)
Me too. Wah!

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*raises hand* Question!
[info]onetrickpony
2003-11-21 06:31 pm UTC (link)
Okay, I'm not down with you hip kids and your "lingo" so could someone please explain why we're calling Christina 'xtina'?

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Re: *raises hand* Question!
[info]terminal_frost
2003-11-21 08:48 pm UTC (link)
Precisely because it's all hip and cool-sounding that it's shortened to "Xtina"?

Or maybe not; who knows?

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Re: *raises hand* Question!
[info]yadda
2003-11-21 09:36 pm UTC (link)
I'm pretty sure it's a self-created nickname (like J Lo).

Wait, X stands for "Christ," right? As in "X-mass"? So, wouldn't xtina stand for Christtina instead of Christina?

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Re: *raises hand* Question!
[info]quinctia
2003-11-22 02:13 am UTC (link)
Well if the etymology I glanced at back in the day was accurate, X is the Greek letter "Chi," which was the first letter in Christ's name in the Greek.

I don't understand how it works as an abbreviation, actually. All I know is that means that no one is X-ING OUT Jesus when they use the term "Xmas."

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Re: *raises hand* Question!
[info]yadda
2003-11-22 03:44 am UTC (link)
All I know is that means that no one is X-ING OUT Jesus when they use the term "Xmas."

Yeah, I knew that. Now I just have no idea how that could work as an abbreviation for either Christina or Christmas.

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