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Mazzling ([info]livii) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-01-20 20:22:00
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Current mood:GRRRRRR

If you're not 100% male or female I will puke all over myself, kthxbi.
Woman with AIS queries Ask Metafilter about revealing this condition to potential sex partners.

A quick reply: I know we're all supposed to be PC about "intersex" conditions, but I think you're taking advantage of that expectation of sensitivity. Genetically, you're male. You don't just have a smaller vaginal canal; you have (or had until they were surgically removed) testes. Or in the vernacular, balls. In gaining their "consent" under false pretences, what you're doing is little different than getting someone to have sex by getting her drunk or slipping her a ruffie (sic).

Things go to MetaTalk and then get a little bit absolutely batshit fucking crazy. From XY = genetically male MUST INFORM YOU HAVE BALLS, non-science type plebes to actual science on why that's bullshit to not disclosing your entire medical history is one thing, but having sex with a heterosexual male without disclosing that you once had testicles that were surgically removed is entirely another. BEING STRAIGHT ISN'T PREJUDICE, you asshole to more Godwin and race references than you can shake a stick at, we have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of comments that are, as always, best summed up by quonsar: oooo, the tightness! what's her phone number?

There may be more but I couldn't finish the MeTa thread. The rage this gave me, it was too much.


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[info]eljuno
2006-01-21 02:35 am UTC (link)
I hereby call for genetic testing of everyone who posted in that thread.

I can GUARANTEE that some of them will be surprised. And, if there is a God, one of them will be Ortho.

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[info]doomsday
2006-01-21 02:55 am UTC (link)
Dear lord, where did these people learn genetics? I feel really sorry for the girl - what a hard thing to have to deal with when trying to have casual sexual relationships. As someone said, she may even face violence if she reveals it to the wrong person. :( Orthowhatever is a complete fuckhead.

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[info]funkyhelix
2006-01-21 02:58 am UTC (link)
Ah, yes, Ortho. Hails from beneath a bridge iirc, along with his brothers ParisParamus and dios.

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[info]nicolae
2006-01-21 04:16 am UTC (link)
That poor girl, it must be difficult for her.

I'd say that, if she's looking for a serious relationship, it's important to disclose it, but for a one night stand there's no need.

I'd also say that I can understand people being freaked out by it, but frankly I'd be more bothered if some girl I'd fucked turned out to be Christian than XY.

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[info]nicolae
2006-01-21 04:28 am UTC (link)
Also, I'd say that homosexuality involves attraction to the same sex. Not having sex with someone with similar chromosomes. If I like boobies and vulvas to the exclusion of penises, it doesn't matter to me whether the possessor of the boobies is XX.

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[info]xero_sky
2006-01-21 04:25 am UTC (link)
Such overwhelming fear of touching another man's balls must be a heavy burden to bear.

Morons.

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[info]elkins
2006-01-21 06:57 am UTC (link)
Yeah, especially since he'd have to cut the woman open to get anywhere near her so-called "balls." Unless the guy is Jack the Ripper or something, I think he's safe from contracting the dread testicular cooties.

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[info]katienichol
2006-01-21 07:48 am UTC (link)
She later says she had them surgically removed, so the ball-phobic are totally in the clear.

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[info]doomsday
2006-01-21 08:14 am UTC (link)
A man could still be tainted with the Essence of Balls!!!1!!

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[info]katienichol
2006-01-21 08:27 am UTC (link)
Fear the phantom testicle rape!11!!1!

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[info]gloria_mundi
2006-01-21 11:10 am UTC (link)
As near as I can figure, the "logic is; having balls is strictly a male trait, ergo, Polly is male, regardless of any other evidence to the contrary.

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[info]miss_arel
2006-01-22 10:31 am UTC (link)
With tent-pegs!

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[info]marciamarcia
2006-01-23 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Essence of Balls!!!1!!

New. From Calvin Klien.

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[info]doomsday
2006-01-23 09:31 pm UTC (link)
I think they already made that one, but they labeled it "cK one."

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[info]aerobot
2006-01-21 12:13 pm UTC (link)
Testicular cooties. Snort.

Of course, it's probably closer to gay cooties, because any contact other than violence with another man = gay.

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[info]xero_sky
2006-01-21 09:15 pm UTC (link)
This is true. The Ghost of Testicles Past is a threat to all unsuspecting straight men.

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[info]esorlehcar
2006-01-21 05:09 am UTC (link)
Jesus god, people are asshats.

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[info]maev_connacht
2006-01-21 05:56 am UTC (link)
This icon is so appropriate right now.

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[info]nicolae
2006-01-21 03:09 pm UTC (link)
It's bloody hard to read.

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[info]maev_connacht
2006-01-21 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Eh, I can read it fine.

(The character who's paraphrased in this actually has AIS, hence the appropriateness.)

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[info]atalantapendrag
2006-01-22 01:47 am UTC (link)
*dead*

(in seven days)

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[info]elkins
2006-01-21 06:53 am UTC (link)
I shall have to rememeber to get my chromosomal testing done the next time I want to pick up a cheap fuck in a bar. Wouldn't want to be guilty of inadvertant OMGZ IT'S JUST LIKE RAPE! now, would I?

Sheesh.

Bugbread wins, though:

Well, if your incredibly large penis was a penis transplant from Hitler,
then I guess you don't. Sure, there are some folks who would get
squicked out by being fucked by Hitler's penis, but really, a penis is
just a penis, and what made Hitler bad was the wiring of his brain, not
the cells of his dong. If someone doesn't want to be fucked by a
transplanted penis just because it used to be Hitler's, they're the
weird ones, so they're responsible for asking whose penis you have
before sex.

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[info]marciamarcia
2006-01-23 09:12 pm UTC (link)
Wow. That's got to be the most fucked-up hypothetical I've ever heard.

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[info]darthmaligna
2006-01-21 07:12 am UTC (link)
I'm picturing this Ortho guy seeing a hot girl walk by and going, "Damn, would you look at the chromosomes on that one?" And I'd certainly like to hear how he'd feel about dating an FTM.

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[info]platedlizard
2006-01-21 07:36 am UTC (link)
I'd certainly like to hear how he'd feel about dating an FTM

Or an XX male. "Well, he's genetically female!"

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[info]puipui
2006-01-21 08:19 am UTC (link)
I can only imagine the backpedaling we'd see if someone actually pointed out that all their "But she's genetically male!" arguments could work the other way for XX males. There is just absolutely no way they would ever admit that anyone that could possibly have developed something even slightly similiar to a penis and/or testes at any point of their lifespan since conception could even maybe somewhat look sort of like a girl they might wanna bang, oh nosirree bob!

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[info]platedlizard
2006-01-21 06:51 pm UTC (link)
Gay Phobia. Because being Gay is the worstest thing EVA to happen, apparently.

Me, I figure if it looks like a duck, and acts like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I'm a furry.

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[info]aerobot
2006-01-21 07:23 am UTC (link)
I feel so sorry for this poor girl. She's doomed to meet men that will either go - "OMG UR A GUY EW GAY RAPE!!11!!" - or - "You're tight and infertile ... ALRIGHT! A perfect cum-dumpster!"

*sigh*

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[info]michmatch
2006-01-21 07:40 am UTC (link)
It really should surprise me that half the MeTalk thread completely missed the daterape comparison part of his comment, but it doesn't. Why debate a blatantly offensive and inappropriate comparison when you can geek out on obscure genetics! Whee!

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[info]gloria_mundi
2006-01-21 11:13 am UTC (link)
If she gets into a Long-Term realationship, yeah, she should probably tell the guy.

Though to be bluntly honest, I have no idea how I'd react if my girlfriend (assuming I could find one) told me that. At the very least, I would require time to get used to the idea.

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[info]aerobot
2006-01-21 12:15 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, but she should tell him because it's something you do in a commited relationship. Not because OMG EW BALLS OMG RAPE.

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[info]v_digitalwytch
2006-01-21 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Maybe I'm missing something here, but the questioner is living as a woman and has the appropriate naughty bits, other than a chromosome that no one except probably Superman could visibly see, she's the same as a sterile woman.

So I'm not seeing why there's such a commotion over 'teh ballz' since in the first place, they're not seen and secondly they've been removed.

But then I'm the one who was more concerned if we were still going to the movies when a friend admitted to having a sex change.

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[info]frequentmouse
2006-01-21 05:15 pm UTC (link)
This may be the funniest thing in the thread:

and cythera:

seriously, go fuck yourself. you don't know what you're talking about, and your shrill accusations don't even support themselves.
posted by shmegegge at 5:32 PM PST on January 6


'scuse me. cytherea
posted by shmegegge at 5:33 PM PST on January 6


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[info]herongale
2006-01-21 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Responding to questions about scars, or when discussing issues of fertility with a potential long-term partner:

"There were some unusual issues with my ovaries, and the doctors were concerned that they might become cancerous so I had to have them removed. Unfortunately (or fortunately), this means I cannot have children. No birth control necessary for me!"

And, if she really wants kids:

"I've always intended to adopt."

The end.


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[info]herongale
2006-01-21 06:48 pm UTC (link)
To clarify: testes that never had the chance to develop properly are physiologically analagous to ovaries, and the reason they are removed is totally because of the risk of cancer, so what I am recommending is not, fundamentally, a lie... now, anyone with AIS can choose, if they wish, to be straightforward about it. But women with AIS ARE women, and shouldn't need to feel obligated to defend this status if they'd rather not. The truth that any potential partner needs to know is that she cannot have children, but I don't think that the specific mechanics of this need to be laid out.

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rachelthedemon
2006-01-22 08:29 pm UTC (link)
THANK. YOU. I was about to say the same thing, but you beat me to it.

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redwarrior
2006-01-21 09:55 pm UTC (link)
What part of "sex=/=gender=/=chromosomes or body parts" do you dolts not understand?

She was raised as a girl. She likes being a girl; the female gender fits her. So what right do you have to say otherwise?

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rachelthedemon
2006-01-22 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Gender? What is this "gender" you speak of?

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[info]chaimonkey
2006-01-23 01:30 am UTC (link)
Tight and infertile? I'm so fucking jealous.

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[info]funwithrage
2006-01-23 01:42 am UTC (link)
Well, I'm jealous of the infertile. Not so much of the tight--I've heard from a few guys that too tight is as much of an issue as the other way 'round.

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[info]chaimonkey
2006-01-23 04:36 am UTC (link)
Ah, well - I wouldn't know on that one. :x

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[info]slackerbitch
2006-01-23 02:30 am UTC (link)
Personally, I'm a fan of Ethereal Bligh's incredibly large penis.

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[info]lush_rimbaud
2006-01-23 04:28 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I see one of my ex-boyfriends is in there being all "She's tight and infertile? Woohoo!" I haven't spoken to him in over a year, but it's nice to know he's still as much of an asshat as ever.

(And, honestly, where does this informed-consent idea end with these people? Do I have to inform all my potential sex partners that I'm Jewish, because if they're anti-Semitic they might be traumatized later?)

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