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	nicolae 2006-01-21 07:35 pm UTC (link)
	Aw, a volunteer. How... sweet. It's the ellipses that make it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	emiweebee 2006-01-21 07:41 pm UTC (link)
	Also, this from a girl who claims to hate pretension. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cie_anthy 2006-01-21 07:59 pm UTC (link)
	Man, those ellipses took me straight back to high school. The whole 'pause to show disdain' happened all the time there. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mcity
2006-01-21 11:57 pm UTC (link)

Close enough: I recall an entry on LJs bad_rpers_suck where somemod got a wangsty, passive-aggresive letter from a player, with elipsises used liberally to imply Woe-pauses.

They're also used often on GAIA online, by idiots who have no idea how to use them. EG:

i dunno...on the one hand you have point A...on the other you have point B...its really confusing... :emote meant to imply confusion:

My standard response:

What did punctuation ever do to you?

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	dark_puck 2006-01-22 12:31 am UTC (link)
	I admit that I tend to abuse the ellipses from time to time, mainly to convey that I'm pausing to think about what I'm saying next. Why I do this, I have no idea. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ayezur 2006-01-22 01:10 am UTC (link)
	It's a pretty standard dialogue technique in writing; at least, I see it used frequently. People tend to write their posts and comment and the like as if it were a story and they were writing their own dialogue; hence, ellipses abuse. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ayezur 2006-01-21 08:41 pm UTC (link)
	Wait, what's wrong with being a volunteer. We do all the work for no pay. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	emiweebee 2006-01-21 08:42 pm UTC (link)
	We apparently don't know anything. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ayezur 2006-01-21 09:00 pm UTC (link)
	... Not going there. twitchragetwitch (Reply to this)(Parent)

	theladyfeylene 2006-01-21 10:01 pm UTC (link)
	That irks me. You learn a hell of a lot more about animals actually working with them than you do in a classroom. My 'useless' volunteer work got me a job in ACO and an extremely lucrative managerial position working with small animals later down the line. With no college degree. But you know, the only experience that's valid is yaoiandpocky's. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

emiweebee
2006-01-21 10:06 pm UTC (link)

I mean, I can kind of get her point. When I volunteered, I had pretty much learned all there is to know about how to clean and tack a horse. Some of the other volunteers, however, either never learned or never bothered to correct themselves. It depends on the reason WHY you're volunteering; to complete hours or to help and learn.

But to just write it off as unqualified of any opinion is idiotic.

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	mcity 2006-01-21 11:47 pm UTC (link)
	I swear, I can hear Claire Huxtable saying that. And then Theo thinking "Oh crap, I'm screwed." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-01-22 07:50 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, that was about the point where I wanted to smack her. (Reply to this)(Parent)

cow_mouse
2006-01-21 08:35 pm UTC (link)

Heh heh heh. For some reason, when I was skimming the summary of the wank (before clicking on any links and noticing the mention of animals) I thought (due to "irresponsible breeder" and such) that this was happening in childfree or (cf_hardcore or something). Ah, I forget that childfree people and animal breeders use the same terminology.

I was honestly scared, for a moment there, that childfree was beginning to advocate for eugenics.

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	emiweebee 2006-01-21 08:43 pm UTC (link)
	hides I wouldn't doubt it. Actually, I have made that argument, or similar ones (things like, why aren't the people who should breed breeding?), but that's scary. And probable. :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	katienichol 2006-01-21 09:33 pm UTC (link)
	I thought the exact same thing. I'm not sure if I'm comforted that I'm not alone, or if I'm even more freaked out that the idea seemed likely enough that more than one person briefly believed it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rosehiptea 2006-01-21 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	Count me in too. I was really afraid of what the "picture" might be. Then again, I'm not sure some people famous for childfree wank would admit that anyone at all should breed. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cow_mouse 2006-01-21 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I actually imagined a picture promoting "breeding for improvement" with one of those photos of Nazis proudly holding an "Aryan" baby or Hitler patting some blonde, blue eyed kid on the head. Then I reread, clicked some links, and realized it was not, in fact, childfree related at all. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	pfeffermuse 2006-01-22 04:04 am UTC (link)
	Add me to the list as someone who thought this was cf_hardcore wankage, too. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mcity 2006-01-22 12:02 am UTC (link)
	Animal breeders use "crotchdroppings", "moos" and "f*trophies"? /me too (Reply to this)(Parent)

	selene_avis 2006-01-22 03:05 am UTC (link)
	Headdesk. So I wasn't the only one who initally confused by the picture of the rat. (Reply to this)(Parent)

sharonapple
2006-01-21 09:45 pm UTC (link)

Damnit, it's mutt!

Also, breeders really shouldn't be sending their dogs to shelters. My mum's a breeder and she always makes sure to put in the sale contract thingiebobbers that if the new owners cannot look after their puppies for whatever reason, to bring them back to her so she can look after them. However, we'd be living in a perfect world if all breeders did that, even if it's ethically the right thing to do. Plus, some owners just don't listen and act like assholes.

Also, I don't think temperament is genetic. It depends on how the dog/rat/whatever was raised.

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arymabeth
2006-01-21 10:11 pm UTC (link)

Thank you! Why was no one in all this mentioning how the animal is raised? Perfect example: my neighbor had two female American boxers that were incredibly sweet and playful. We played with them all the time when we were kids. Then, one of them had puppies, and they raised one of the males to be their daughter's guard dog. That dog later mauled my brother. You can't blame that on his genetics.

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	emiweebee 2006-01-21 10:13 pm UTC (link)
	What sort of temperment did the dog they bred to have? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	arymabeth 2006-01-21 10:15 pm UTC (link)
	I'm not entirely sure, but they never had that problem with the other puppies. My point is just that you can't disregard the role of nurture here. It can be the difference between a pit bull that can play with the kids and a pit bull that tries to kill you. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	emiweebee 2006-01-21 10:21 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, definitely. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	nebbieq 2006-01-22 06:41 am UTC (link)
	Also, I don't think temperament is genetic. It depends on how the dog/rat/whatever was raised. Not always. For example, if there's been too much inbreeding in its line, its temperament is going to be pretty screwed up. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sharonapple 2006-01-22 06:55 am UTC (link)
	True... after all, not all dogs who have been abused are necessarily biters. I guess it pretty much goes either way-- if an animal is badly treated there will be a problem, and if an animal's genetics are horribly inbred, then there will be a problem? Do I even make sense? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	nebbieq 2006-01-22 07:02 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, it makes sense. Both nature and nurture can screw an animal up. The same goes for humans, too...Person A can have mental problems due to being abused as a child, while Person B could have a family history of mental health disorders s/he inherited. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ironymaiden
2006-01-21 10:08 pm UTC (link)

My family has had 3 dogs in my lifetime.

The first was a purebred Springer Spaniel. Great lineage, great papers, everything the OP would have wanted.

She was whiny. She never stopped whining. She was obnoxious. She had a ton of health problems. She wasn't even very nice.

Funny that the two "mutts" we got from the animal shelter later were prettier, in better temperment, and in better health, too.

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emiweebee
2006-01-21 10:12 pm UTC (link)

The OP just wants responsible breeding. Breeding two dogs you know nothing about isn't responsible, and since mutts come with no medical history, it's not responsible to breed two mutts together.

Also, she doesn't say that all papered dogs should be bred, because that causes the genetic problems already rampant.

Mutts can't be guaranteed with better health, just like some purebred dogs can't. And there's a difference between adopting mutts and breeding mutts.

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	ironymaiden 2006-01-21 10:14 pm UTC (link)
	We never bred any of our dogs. There's already too many dogs and other animals suffering in shelters. shrug (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	emiweebee 2006-01-21 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly! :) (Reply to this)(Parent)

rosehiptea
2006-01-21 10:23 pm UTC (link)

Argh, I remember this guy I used to date, who said they weren't having his dog neutered because "they might breed him," because he was a purebred. This despite the fact that he had some kind of digestive disorder. I guess they didn't want to feel like they had wasted all that money buying a purebred.

I can't say I really know enough about animal breeding to comment on the OP though. But yes, there's a big difference between adopting mutts and breeding them.

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	khym_chanur 2006-01-21 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	Breedist prejudism!! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	mouseykins 2006-01-22 01:30 am UTC (link)
	Predjubreedism! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	doroc_sabah 2006-01-22 09:22 pm UTC (link)
	Breedjudism! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dracothelizard 2006-01-21 11:33 pm UTC (link)
	If the OP in ratties wants to make a point about breeding rats, s/h/it should talk about RATS! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2006-01-21 11:47 pm UTC (link)
	Exactly! The first thing I thought when I clicked the link was "Uhm, wtf? Why is she talking about dog breeding in a RAT COMMUNITY?!" And yet, so many people rose to her bait anyway. I don't know if that's stupid and funny or a sad reflection on the illiteracy of people. (Reply to this)(Parent)

platedlizard
2006-01-22 01:51 am UTC (link)

Yeah. I was wondering what 'champion bloodlines' and 'registered only' was doing in a rat discussion LJ. I mean, I know that there are rat shows and rat breed clubs and such, but they aren't as common as dogs, and I don't see anything wrong with breeding pet-quality rats that don't have papers. As long as the parents are healthy and well cared for, and the babies go to good owners, who cares about the rest of it?

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	krisnreine 2006-01-22 03:19 am UTC (link)
	She crossposted all over the place. I was similarly confused over the presence of a rat picture on a dog community. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-01-22 07:48 am UTC (link)
	Gee, thanks for playing, but you lose on account of sheer self-righteousness. But we're not sending you home with nothing! Here's a full tube of lube to help ease your head out of your ass. Good gravy, the sheer amount of hypocrisy is mind-boggling. Hm, you say childish, I say delightfully snarky and caustic. Tomayto, tomahto. snerk snerk ... sneeeeerk XD (Reply to this)(Thread)

	amasaglajax 2006-01-22 07:58 am UTC (link)
	I like how all the assholes of the world like to think of themselves as "delightfully snarky and caustic," when the truth is that impersonating your favorite lone wolf anime character fails to impress in real life. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	jat_sapphire 2006-01-22 03:37 pm UTC (link)
	It's a version of "I have a really dry sense of humor" which seems to mean "The last time anyone laughed at my jokes was 1974, and then I was about to lend money to the guy." (Reply to this)(Parent)

	oxydosic 2006-01-22 05:14 pm UTC (link)
	I just wanted to express my love for your icon. Uses Zack Ward icon to spread the Christmas Story love (Reply to this)