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	doroc_sabah 2006-01-29 12:49 am UTC (link)
	'Assumptive' sounds like a kind of drug. (Reply to this)

	footsie 2006-01-29 12:56 am UTC (link)
	"Up next on Judge Judy..." Dammit, fayechan, stop stealing my lines! (Reply to this)

	brown_betty 2006-01-29 01:58 am UTC (link)
	"Actually, our body evolved to a form that is built for things such as running." You think someone should tell her that evolution hasn't really favoured the runner's build since agriculture was invented some ten thousand years ago? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	quinctia 2006-01-29 11:29 pm UTC (link)
	Since we developed agriculture, humans haven't really been under evolutionary pressure from natural selection, so that's a silly argument. ^_^; (Reply to this)(Parent)

	psychofangirl 2006-01-29 02:37 am UTC (link)
	Speaking as someone who IS a bit on the chubby side, the "fitting into the seat" problem would easily be solved by simply purchasing two tickets. They can address the obese issue all they want, but I'm not going to change a lifestyle that I happen to ENJOY to please people who DON'T give a shit about me. "Self-Harm" isn't really anyone'e business anyway. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	iczer6 2006-01-29 03:02 am UTC (link)
	Speaking as someone who IS a bit on the chubby side, the "fitting into the seat" problem would easily be solved by simply purchasing two tickets. Point but flying can be expensive and someone might not be able to afford two seats if they're going by themselves. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	psychofangirl 2006-01-29 03:41 am UTC (link)
	Yea, I knew that was going to come up, but I honestly don't know what to say to that. I guess it's easy for me to say because I have the $$$ to do something like that since I very seldom fly. Heh. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	WTF is having a rough week guys :( fevered_ego 2006-01-29 02:44 am UTC (link)
	Dear almost-the-entire-community-of-wtf_inc: I know they say people synchronize their cycles when in close quarters, but on the internet? And... the males too? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	Re: WTF is having a rough week guys :( prettypinkkitty 2006-01-30 03:40 am UTC (link)
	Awww, that's the cutest ad! The stuffing material is used in the Most Serious Surgical Work! What year is it from? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WTF is having a rough week guys :( fevered_ego 2006-01-30 04:27 am UTC (link)
	I think it's from the 20s-40s, but I'm not at all certain. Found it by Google Image Searching for vintage hygeine ads. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: WTF is having a rough week guys :( gobsmacked 2006-01-30 08:11 pm UTC (link)
	Judging by the hats, I'd say late 20s or early 30s. (I just came back from an exhibit of 20th Century fashion created by a friend.) (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2006-01-29 02:54 am UTC (link)
	I find myself wondering if any of these people have ever flown coach. (Reply to this)(Thread)

fevered_ego
2006-01-29 03:04 am UTC (link)

Pack my precious flesh in with common people? I'm better than that. I should never have to touch, or BE touched by, anyone who isn't licensed to wade through my issues. And if anyone inconveniences me or invades my personal bubble, I'll charge them whatever sounds most authentic ($44.67 comes to mind) for the privelege.

That will teach them. That will teach them GOOD.

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	gal_montag 2006-01-29 04:37 am UTC (link)
	snork They almost beat cf_hardcore in the entitlement bitches catergory. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	(ollective gasp from the ancestors) fevered_ego 2006-01-29 07:01 am UTC (link)
	You take that back! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	platedlizard 2006-01-29 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	Also, a lot of airlines have been decreasing seat size in rescent years. I'm not terribly fat, and neither was the guy sitting next to me on my last flight, but we were rather uncomfortably close. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cmikhailovic 2006-01-29 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	No kidding. On my last flight, I and the girl next to me were practically in each other's laps. And I'm a size 8, and she looked anorexic. (Reply to this)(Parent)

aerobot
2006-01-29 03:57 am UTC (link)

"I demand that thousands of people change their weight and lifestyles so they won't infringe on my comfort for 2 two hours!"

If that isn't being an entitlement whore, I dunno what is.

Of course, you never see this apply to other people who would take up space. Maybe the guy was really tall and had to use a lot of leg space. What, will you get mad at him for being too tall and stealing precious leg space for two hours?

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fevered_ego
2006-01-29 07:00 am UTC (link)

Don't gimme that 'too tall' crap! If he hadn't eaten so much as a kid, he'd be just as short as I am, and therefore acceptable.

I'm not a sizeist, this is just evolution speaking. Parents who foolishly feed their kids so much they actually grow during puberty should be shot. And don't get me STARTED on people with increased lung capacity due to genetics sucking away all MY air at indoor parties. I should be able to charge for the extra work my body has to do to filter out their nasty breathy carbon dioxide. How inconsiderate.

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	darthmaligna 2006-01-30 06:41 am UTC (link)
	I don't know about you, but I didn't get to be 6'1" by stuffing Twinkies down my throat by the boxful. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	aerobot 2006-01-30 03:42 pm UTC (link)
	.... And your point is what, exactly? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

psychofangirl
2006-01-30 04:10 pm UTC (link)

Well, the point would be that a tall person can't help being tall, whereas a fat person could supposedly help being that. That is, of course, assuming that the fat person doesn't have polycystic disorder or insulin resistance or a predisposition to be overweight, etc.

The problem with weight loss though is that to lose it properly(without becoming a trashcan of skin), it could take at least a year or more depending on how heavy the person is. People don't seem to realize that.

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	aerobot 2006-01-31 02:22 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, I guessed that. But even if the person was fat through their own actions, that doesn't justify people demanding they change their lifestyle for short-term personal comfort. Besides, if we can demand that sort of thing, then why not demand that tall people break their legs and artifically shorten themselves? Fair's fair, right? (Reply to this)(Parent)

darthmaligna
2006-01-30 07:39 pm UTC (link)

Nothing, really, I was just being bitchy. I'll admit that if I had that sort of money, I'd buy a second plane seat for my legs to go in instead of having to scrunch them up so that my feet can't even touch the floor.

I guess if I were going to make a real point about tall vs. fat, it would be that tall people like me can just scrunch up our legs in front of us, whereas fat people can't just suck it in. Unless the tall person in question is, like... seven feet tall.

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	aerobot 2006-01-31 02:19 am UTC (link)
	Hmm, point noted. (Reply to this)(Parent)

darthmaligna
2006-01-30 06:46 am UTC (link)

I fully support policies of having to pay for two seats if you can't fit into one. When I pay an exorbitant price for a plane ticket, I'm not paying for an odor-free area or a spot in a baby-screaming-free room, but I am paying for that square foot of space that is the only thing absolutely necessary for me to be able to get from point A to point B because it's the area I need to, y'know, physically exist in. And if your ass is so fat that you need to store part of it on the seat next to you, you should damn well have to pay for that unit of space as well. This isn't a matter of bumping elbows on the armrest the original person was talking about; it's somebody who is so goddamn big they're actually sitting in her chair. Nobody's saying that this person doesn't have every right to weigh a metric tonne; they're just saying that if they do, they should have to cough up the cash for double space allotment. Plane seats that are designed to accomodate beluga whales are not a fundamental human right, people.

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radiotrash
2006-01-30 08:08 am UTC (link)

Oh good, I don't feel so bad now. Or maybe it's because I really really don't like to be touched and would have probably silently gone insane if I was in that woman's position. This didn't sound like when people are right up against the edge of their seat and when you sit in the middle you're lightly touching them. No, this sounded like omfg you're IN my seat.

I would have rang a flight attendant and asked in the nicest way possible if there was another empty seat I could have. :(

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	psychofangirl 2006-01-30 04:16 pm UTC (link)
	I've done that. I don't like being touched either. Thanfully, the flights I've been on DID have two seats for my fat hide. Not that it would have mattered since I would have asked for more space even if I weren't fat. (Reply to this)(Parent)

psychofangirl
2006-01-30 04:15 pm UTC (link)

It's not just fat people that are complaining though.

I guess those that do should buy two tickets too.

However, since being overweight is becoming increasingly common(and they're more vocal), the seats will probably get bigger anyway. Or at least have a section for the chubbies.

I don't like being close to anyone either, but I can get around that since I rarely fly and am always lucky.

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darthmaligna
2006-01-30 07:48 pm UTC (link)

Bigger seats would be the shit, not only because yay, more room for everyone, but also because then we'd get to wank about the fatties driving up the price of plane tickets for everyone. It's a win-win situation.

I fly once in a blue moon myself, so I've really no vested interest in this. I was just surprised to see that nobody can see where the original writer was coming from. I'd say that if she was bitching about being touched on a plane, yeah, that's wanky. But bitching about having to actually share your seat with another person is completely understandable. Hell, I'm not the smallest person in the world myself, and if the person next to me can't fit in their own seat, they'll be in my lap. Am I just supposed to suck it up and deal?

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	harpie84 2006-01-30 08:19 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think people missed the point that the OP had to "share" her seat; the problem with this entitlement drama queen is that she believes she is owed money from her seatmate for this problem. Airlines continuously try to squeeze more people into less and less space (I've been flying since the 1960s, so I remember what real space was like.) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	darthmaligna 2006-01-31 05:50 am UTC (link)
	I think that's where I differ from a lot of posters; I took the original post to be entirely tongue-in-cheek, and now people are crying "entitlement whore" over something that was meant to make a point, not be taken at face value. (Reply to this)(Parent)

gobsmacked
2006-01-30 08:21 pm UTC (link)

Whoa. A thread where the wank based on weight-hate is every bit as wanky as the original!

I just "love" the way some posters here are putting the blame on others for being overweight rather than the airlines for making the seats and the space between seats smaller. My significant other is tall and practically has to wrap his legs behind his head to get into one of the coach seats on charter flights. He's in no way beefy and yet fills out the seat. I'm about a foot shorter and around 50 kilos and *my* knees are pressed up against the seat in front of me. I get an acute attack of claustrophobia if the person in front of me reclines their seat. I can remember a time when this wasn't the case.

By the way, why should anyone buy 2 seats? Has no one ever heard of business or first class? The seats are bigger and the service is better.

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	psychofangirl 2006-01-31 02:09 am UTC (link)
	Well, on some flights, it's cheaper to just get two seats rather than first/business class. Course if it's cheaper to get first class, then of course I'd do that. Heh. Anyway, yea, I think it's true that people are packed more and more like sardines on airlines. People just don't think about that though. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-01-31 02:27 am UTC (link)
	My dad is a big guy too, so what he does is snag the seat over the wing, with the emergancy door. There tends to be a little more space there in case people need to evacuate, and that means more leg room. Of course, that means he's responsible for getting the door open in an emergancy, but he's more than willing to do that. ;) (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

gobsmacked
2006-02-01 04:53 pm UTC (link)

snag the seat over the wing, with the emergancy door

The s.o. and I used to do that but once got stuck behind the bulkhead in the squishiest seats on the plane because those half-wits at the airline check-in were apparently unable to figure out which seats were which. As a result, my knees were folded up painfully and the bf had to drape his legs over mine into the aisle for a lot of the flight because he literally could not fit them in front of him.

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