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	missm 2006-01-29 03:19 am UTC (link)
	Please give me ONE example of someone being murdered over litter. You know, I can't. In fact, it may have saved Arlo Guthrie's life, since his littering conviction kept him out of Vietnam. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	arymabeth 2006-01-29 03:49 am UTC (link)
	Indeed. Man, I love "Alice's Restaraunt." "and the 24 eight-by-ten color, glossy photos with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us." (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

missm
2006-01-29 04:13 am UTC (link)

And the Draft Board scene. I just had to go look it up:

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly 'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay $50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"

And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand, and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the bench.

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crickets
2006-01-29 07:45 am UTC (link)

I couldn't resist either. The courtroom's of my personal favorite moments:

Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up, and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he sat down, we sat down.

Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog. And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry, 'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us.

Love ya, Arlo.

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	gal_montag 2006-01-29 05:21 am UTC (link)
	Locally, a woman killed her father over what the watch on TV, so yeah, people do get murdered over less than litter. (Reply to this)

	sesana 2006-01-29 06:31 am UTC (link)
	I'm really confused as to how throwing a piece of trash into somebody's car can count as assault. And doesn't it seem odd that the police were trying to talk her out of filing charges? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2006-01-29 06:49 am UTC (link)
	The article mentioned that she also keyed his car, which I think is considered vandalism, so if she charged him, the police would have also had to bring her in. Honestly, I think the both of them were dicks, but the motorist was the biggesr dick when he tried to attack the guy who got it all on film. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sesana 2006-01-29 07:06 am UTC (link)
	I'm not arguing the keying at all. What confused me was that people were saying that she assaulted him first by throwing his litter back into his car. I really don't understand how that could be considered assault, since there's no way he could be physically harmed by that action. But I'm not a lawyer, and my only ideas about the law come from The People's Court. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2006-01-29 07:12 am UTC (link)
	Assault? Yeah, I don't get that one either, nor am I a lawyer, but that's just ridiculous. What, did he get a papercut or something from it? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	sesana 2006-01-29 07:13 am UTC (link)
	And it may not have even hit him. Maybe he was just pissed because she got mustard on his seat. I love it the icon perfectly suits the comment. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaimonkey 2006-01-29 08:47 am UTC (link)
	According to her story, the scratch was a result of his assault since the key was attached to her wrist. (Reply to this)(Parent)

hristaesir
2006-01-30 11:27 pm UTC (link)

My mom, when I was explaining the incident to her, summed up my position pretty nicely: "Well they're both jerks, but the guy in the car is dangerous."

Tossing someone's litter back into their car? Vaguely obnoxious. (Possibly) keying someone's car? Really obnoxious. Assaulting bicycle messengers and going after photographers with baseball bats, however, is scary. If I were her I'd be like, "Fine, charge me with vandalism, I'll pay the fine, I WANT THAT GUY FOR ASSAULT."

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	annabelle_lee 2006-01-31 07:19 pm UTC (link)
	Same here. I mean, I could see why she did what she did, but I didn't like it. All she did was let this guy go to assault the next person who calls him on his assholish behavior. I wonder if the photographer, at least, put charges on him for menacing and attempted assault. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	chaimonkey 2006-01-29 08:46 am UTC (link)
	Yay, wank with my name! does a little dance (Reply to this)

	emiweebee 2006-01-29 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. It's pretty stupid to argue that road rage doesn't kill people when the whole post is about how it, in fact, can. Also, just because I think the courier was an idiot doesn't mean I think the driver wasn't. Everyone's stupid. Stupidity is on a sliding scale. But I guess that's expecting people on the internet to think. (Reply to this)

	silrana 2006-01-30 04:32 am UTC (link)
	This reminds me of when my mother had jury duty. She said the case was a barfight, with the crux being who threw the first punch. She said the jury was very sorry that they couldn't find a way to send the defendant and the 'victim' both to jail. (Reply to this)