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w**k is a four-letter word ([info]esorlehcar) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-02-19 14:27:00


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Some fun rape/BDSM wank on Metafilter:

TheSmokingGun recently posted a Contract of Wifely Duties turned over to the police in an Iowa case in which a man is charged is kidnapping and raping his wife, along with some child pornography charges.

The unsigned "contract" (which the wife says she never agreed to but was forced to abide by) could, from the facts in evidence, be read either as the work of a insane control freak spousal abuser or a BDSM enthusiast who doesn't put much stock in the "safe, sane and consensual" side of things (among the other things, the contract does not include a safeword and provides for severe punishment should the wife attempt to say no to anything). Or both, I suppose - one doesn't exactly preclude the other.

When the post hits metafilter, there is a predictable amount of spooge from both sides.

In one corner, we have Space Coyote and Peeping_Thomist, among others, claiming that all BDSM is wrong and those who practice it are sick, disgusting perverts, regardless of consent, and a plethora of other lesser but still strongly perjorative comments about BDSM as a practice, whatever the circumstances.

In the other, we have Insomnia_lj, who claims that the wife is just a bratty sub who deserves a good spanking, that the existence of an unsigned contract that the wife says she never agreed to is proof that it was all consensual because there's no way that anyone who write up such a document unless they knew their spouse wanted them to (to be fair, (s)he at first claims that it's "possible" someone could write up a contract without approval and consent, but then uses it repeatedly throughout the rest of the thread to "prove" that the relationship was completely consensual), and, perhaps my favorite, that even if the husband is an abuser, it isn't his fault, because the existence of the contract proves the wife consented, no matter what the wife herself says about it. (S)he follows that gem by claiming that (s)he "hates to speculate too much."

(S)he also helpfully explains why the child porn charges are obviously bogus, with a little help from soiled cowboy, who speculates that the evil wife downloaded the porn herself to get her poor husband in trouble.

There's more wank scattered throughout the comments, as well as some interesting discussion... some it is actually worth reading beyond the WTF factor.



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[info]funkyhelix
2006-02-20 12:31 am UTC (link)
Heh. I'm in there somewhere. Usually I stick to posting the really wanky metatalk threads, because if I were going to post wanky posts from Metafilter proper, I could probably post at least three or four of the political threads per day.

The snark is usually funny though.

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 12:47 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]rachelmap, 2006-02-20 02:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2006-02-20 02:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 02:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2006-02-20 02:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2006-02-20 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2006-02-20 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-02-20 05:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]plazmah, 2006-02-20 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2006-02-20 06:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jaseroque, 2006-02-20 04:44 pm UTC

[info]sadisticferret
2006-02-20 12:41 am UTC (link)
Urgh, I remember when this was posted to fark.com. It made me sick then and it makes me sick now. Actually, some of the posts by the farkers were worse. They were mostly either idiots who thought that all women should abide by that contract or idiots who thought "make me a sammich, biatch!" was still funny. Typical fark thread, in other words.

Anyway, it doesn't surprise me that the metafilter thread is going in the same direction as the fark thread did.

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[info]ayezur
2006-02-20 12:50 am UTC (link)
...a Dom and an abusive fuckwit with a small, dysfunctional penis are NOT THE SAME. Bad enough when the great unwashed assume it, but for someone in the scene to...? Oy.

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[info]selene_avis
2006-02-20 01:03 am UTC (link)
Dude. Isn't "consent" like, the definition of BDSM? As in, if it's not consentual, it goes by definition from being harmless kink to being abuse/rape? And if the wife says she didn't consent, then I'm guessing she didn't consent.

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 02:42 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2006-02-20 04:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-02-20 05:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-02-20 06:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2006-02-21 01:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2006-02-20 01:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]chikane, 2006-02-21 01:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]funwithrage, 2006-02-21 05:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 05:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]visp, 2006-02-26 10:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2006-02-20 04:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2006-02-20 06:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2006-02-20 07:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sepiamagpie, 2006-02-20 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2006-02-20 09:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loopywafflehead, 2006-02-21 02:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]silrana, 2006-02-21 06:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]loopywafflehead, 2006-02-23 01:01 pm UTC

[info]bubosquared
2006-02-20 01:18 am UTC (link)
The thing that gets me about the "contract" is the formal language interspersed with words like "blowjob". Dude, at least call it fellatio if you're going through the trouble of trying to come off all formal and fancy, yeah?

Also, why does the name insomnia_lj ring a bell for me? Has s/he been wanked before?

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 01:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-20 01:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 02:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-20 02:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-20 02:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 03:02 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-20 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2006-02-20 03:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-20 03:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2006-02-20 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 03:37 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2006-02-20 04:59 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]lokifin, 2006-02-20 11:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]bubosquared, 2006-02-20 11:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lokifin, 2006-02-20 07:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-21 12:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lokifin, 2006-02-21 01:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-21 12:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lokifin, 2006-02-21 01:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mireille, 2006-02-20 05:14 pm UTC
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[info]gal_montag
2006-02-20 01:54 am UTC (link)
proof that it was all consensual because there's no way that anyone who write up such a document unless they knew their spouse wanted them to

Which is why hubby and his wife are still together.

Oh wait, they're not!

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 01:59 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2006-02-20 02:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hanncoll, 2006-02-20 02:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2006-02-20 03:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hanncoll, 2006-02-20 03:12 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]missm, 2006-02-20 02:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2006-02-20 02:19 am UTC

[info]cesare
2006-02-20 02:12 am UTC (link)
That insomnia_lj person is cracked.

Who cares if they had a BDSM relationship before? That doesn't mean the contract makes any more sense. She didn't sign the contract and she accused him of kidnapping, so obviously she didn't consent!

Just because someone was in a consenting BDSM relationship before, that doesn't mean that she can't stop consenting. At which point, anything done without her consent is abuse.

Not to mention there's nothing to indicate that they were in a consenting BDSM relationship before Mr. Personality whipped out the contract. That's all insomnia_lj's assumptions at work. If she just can't wrap her head around the possibility that the reason this guy is being accused of kidnapping is because he tried to impose a heavy BDSM arrangement on a wife who didn't want that-- then that's insomnia_lj's naivete at work, and I have a shiny, shiny leather bridge I'd like to sell her.

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(no subject) - [info]pyratejenni, 2006-02-20 04:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 04:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-02-20 05:17 am UTC
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[info]pipssister
2006-02-20 02:21 am UTC (link)
That contract has too much damned math in it! I enjoy S&M because it's hot, not so I can add up crap to earn a "Good Behavior Day" or whatever.

Insomnia_lj, who claims that the wife is just a bratty sub who deserves a good spanking, that the existence of an unsigned contract that the wife says she never agreed to is proof that it was all consensual because there's no way that anyone who write up such a document unless they knew their spouse wanted them to

Plz to be taking some Lunestra and not making the rest of us BDSMers look stupid, kthnx.

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(no subject) - [info]cesare, 2006-02-20 02:27 am UTC
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[info]gorogoro
2006-02-20 02:44 am UTC (link)
Am I alone in thinking that the contract is really not even close to the sickest most perverted thing I've ever seen? (Downright tame, IMO.)

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(no subject) - [info]pipssister, 2006-02-20 02:52 am UTC
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[info]brown_betty
2006-02-20 02:53 am UTC (link)
Ick. I saw that yesterday and just yuck. Theoretically, yes, she could be so angry that she would want everyone in her small town to believe she was unwillingly humiliated and abused when in fact this was a BDSM relationship that went sour, but why? Isn't the kiddie porn arrest enough? Couldn't she divorce him over that? I don't see any motivation for her to be fabricating these details.

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[info]catslash
2006-02-20 02:54 am UTC (link)
I'm not that well-versed in BDSM, and even I know the difference between a genuine Dom and a control-freak psycho. Yeesh.

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[info]cat_mcdougall
2006-02-20 04:08 am UTC (link)
I linked to that on my LJ. Several people saw it.

I read it and once I got over my "WTF is this guy on?!" reaction, I reread to be sure she didn't sign it.

Is it wrong that I read that from an abused wife standpoint and never even thought about BDSM until I saw this wank report?

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(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-02-20 05:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]cat_mcdougall, 2006-02-20 05:09 am UTC
(no subject) - rowleyorama, 2006-02-20 05:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]telophase, 2006-02-21 01:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-02-20 05:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]stopthatgirl7, 2006-02-20 11:45 am UTC
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[info]emiweebee
2006-02-20 04:24 am UTC (link)
The thing that got me is the woman's bringing this up legally implies that, at least now, she's not down with it. I'm not sure that not signing it in the first place means she was down with it either. BUT, if she really wasn't okay with it, why did she go ahead and marry the guy?

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(no subject) - [info]esorlehcar, 2006-02-20 04:27 am UTC
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[info]aerobot
2006-02-20 04:43 am UTC (link)
The only value of tales like this lies in weeding out people who firmly believe in a presumption of innocence toward any [woman] but instantly accept as fact the most insubstantial allegation against [men] or government authority.

GOSH YES. How silly of me to presume that the victim is telling the truth, especially since women make up the majority of rape and abuse victims. Obviously all women are liars who want to hurt poor innocent men.

*grits teeth*

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-02-20 05:11 am UTC

[info]jaseroque
2006-02-20 04:44 am UTC (link)
I love (read: am horrified by) the fact that any negotiations she was allowed to make had to be done once she was in her 'night attire' -- which is to say, she could only make negotiations when she was butt naked.

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(no subject) - [info]mrbimble, 2006-02-20 05:38 am UTC
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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-02-20 04:53 am UTC (link)
I was wondering if anyone would post this. It's amazing how many people on that thread are insisting we can't know what really happened while telling everyone what really happened.

Also, that contract is the most unsexy thing ever. The fonts, the weird and misused terminology, fact that the guy can't write...

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(no subject) - [info]issendai, 2006-02-20 05:00 am UTC
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[info]issendai
2006-02-20 05:04 am UTC (link)
Is it wrong that as I read this contract, all I could think of was how this guy doesn't know his terminology?

Look, jackass, the vagina is the part that's inside the woman. It's a separate organ. The top of the vaginal slit is the clitoris. If there is hair on your wife's clitoris, she has a problem almost as serious as her choice of marriage partner. The word you are looking for is "vulva." If you're going to be an entitled, selfish fucktard, at least get the vocabulary right.

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-02-20 05:14 am UTC
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[info]adinaj69
2006-02-20 05:46 am UTC (link)
Is... that contract written in a Star Trek font...?

Not that that's at all important, but. Um. *cough*

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(no subject) - [info]innsmouth_eyes, 2006-02-20 06:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mael, 2006-02-20 07:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]innsmouth_eyes, 2006-02-20 08:10 am UTC

[info]chikane
2006-02-20 09:34 am UTC (link)
The difference between wife abuse and BDSM-relationship was consent, right?

So...isn't this by the very definition not a BDSM-relationship but simply wife abuse?

How can anyone DEFEND the husband here o.O; If the wife does not want anymore, she doesn't want anymore. Regardless if such a contract was written, thought about, or yes, even signed. Then there is no consent anymore, you idiot, Insomnia.

Someone doesn't turn into a worthless piece of furniture just because some guy bullied them into signing something - which in this case here did not even happen.

Idiot Goreans.

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(no subject) - [info]indis_earfalas, 2006-02-20 11:50 am UTC

[info]adora_spintriae
2006-02-20 01:57 pm UTC (link)
This is like the bottomless pit of Wrong.

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[info]mael
2006-02-20 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Awesome! Insomnia dude is now claiming that she might have written the contract herself to incriminate him!

Dudeperson, why is it so hard to accept that SOME MEN ARE FUCKING ASSHOLES? I can't believe the fact that he *kidnapped* her is still going over his fucking head. He kidnapped her, ergo she wasn't willing, ergo he's a fucker who deserves to do time. Also, since he's the perpetrator, and she's the victim, I tend to believe *her* when she bings up examples of past abuse/character.

Just because you're kinky, bro, doesn't mean you have to defend abusive fucks. Just like the fact that because *I'm* kinky, I don't need to defend you, a moronic idiot with ISSUES.

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[info]nebbieq
2006-02-20 07:58 pm UTC (link)
Jesus fucking christ. In the words of Harlan Ellison, "The more I see of people, the better I like animals."

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[info]nebbieq
2006-02-20 08:23 pm UTC (link)
Oh oh! And what really cracks me up about this guy is how he lists exceptions for church, of all things! What a good, upstanding Christian this sick fuck must be!

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[info]selene_avis
2006-02-20 09:59 pm UTC (link)
I can't post the link due to community rules, but this just popped up on feminist_rage. BDSM - It's like the Holocaust, in a way!

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(no subject) - [info]selene_avis, 2006-02-21 12:00 am UTC

[info]symbeline
2006-02-24 12:29 am UTC (link)
Also from feminist_rage:

also, without the oppression of animals, blacks, women, etc., bdsm would almost surely not exist, because hierarchy, slavery, whips, chains, and so forth would never have been invented.

Dude. It's called rope.

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