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	symbeline 2006-03-01 05:52 am UTC (link)
	If all of that illogic was followed to its natural conclusion, then I would have to conclude that the History Channel is an instrument of satanism. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	keri 2006-03-01 06:00 am UTC (link)
	It is pretty evil. I mean, it keeps me away from bed and school and work, because of shows such as Modern Marvels: Paint. Do you know how long I stayed up to watch that? Totally overslept the next morning AND I forgot to pay my Gap bill! (also, incidently, a tool of Satan) by the way, paint is fascinating and I am now intrigued by paint drying. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	dreamoflife02 2006-03-01 06:24 am UTC (link)
	I spent an hour of my time the other night watching Modern Marvels: Candy. I want to pull taffy now. Either that or eat it. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

keri
2006-03-01 06:42 am UTC (link)

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I was thinking to myself "What other Modern Marvels have I seen that made me become fascinated in something I otherwise wouldn't have thought of?" and my mind jumped to the two most recent episodes I've viewed - Torture and Prisons.

I don't know if those are quite the same, but wow, the history of the two are fascinating and kind of creepy, and you could really learn a lot about how to Torture or Imprison someone from watching them. Except they didn't tell us about the Atlanta Federal Penitentiary, only old stuff, because of security reasons. :( But they DID tell us about how the doctors there used the prisoners as test subjects when experimenting with malaria cures and also LSD, much the same as Dr Mengele did in the concentration camps, and both were approved by the governments and everything. And, well, I thought that was pretty damn interesting there.

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	keri 2006-03-01 06:52 am UTC (link)
	Haha, I just realized how this totally goes back to the original topic. The History Channel is totally evil. Geez! They're teaching people about torture and prisons! Negative Energy all around! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kijikun 2006-03-02 02:41 am UTC (link)
	They're evil for pulling Conquest off the air! Peter Woodward! Galen! How could they cancel his show. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mael 2006-03-01 07:06 am UTC (link)
	Dude, I'm still surprised at how obscure project MK-Ultra is. Google it for fun! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	crickets 2006-03-01 07:18 am UTC (link)
	Whee, Operation Paperclip! (Reply to this)(Parent)

keri
2006-03-01 07:42 am UTC (link)

Mm. It's one of those things the nation isn't too proud of, so they try and keep it out of the history books and such. Much like the Japanese internment camps, yeah? It think they got maybe one paragraph in my high school text during the section on WW2.

I don't think I've ever even seen anything about those internment camps on the History Channel, come to think of it. I'll have to ask my kid brother - he tends to leave it on 24/7, so he's more likely to have seen it if it's there.

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	seiberwing 2006-03-01 12:45 pm UTC (link)
	Project MKULTRA (also known as MK-ULTRA) was the code name for a CIA mind-control research program lasting from the 1950s Dude, that's weird. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ianthefira 2006-03-01 01:11 pm UTC (link)
	(googles) Holeeee shit. I... I've got no words. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	mastervex 2006-03-01 06:51 pm UTC (link)
	...Wow. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ecchaniz0r 2006-03-01 07:05 pm UTC (link)
	knew about it via X-Files Fandom Governments are just...SPECIAL, ain't they? @_@ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	antigone 2006-03-01 07:45 pm UTC (link)
	That's how I knew about it, too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ecchaniz0r 2006-03-01 08:38 pm UTC (link)
	Squee! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-03-01 09:20 am UTC (link)
	I LOVED that one. I was shocked - candy making was almost a SCIENCE. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	hickorydickory 2006-03-01 05:30 pm UTC (link)
	Ooh. I want to be a candyologist. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	judyhazeleyes 2006-03-01 11:46 pm UTC (link)
	I've pulled taffy before! And trust me, it's far more satisfying to eat junk food that you had a hand in creating =D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sabinelagrande 2006-03-01 06:15 am UTC (link)
	Oh.. oh my. It goes from zero to batshit in two comments. (Reply to this)

	narcissam 2006-03-01 06:18 am UTC (link)
	Don't you think your interest in the dead, vampires, etc. is worse? Please explain how your interests in "demonic beings" are any better than your accusation against the O.P. for having an interest in satanism. D'oh! PWNED! (Reply to this)

	v_digitalwytch 2006-03-01 06:56 am UTC (link)
	Right when I thought nothing could really surprise me anymore on the Internet, I come across paranormal wank. My life is now complete. (Reply to this)

chaos_theory
2006-03-01 07:37 am UTC (link)

It just hurts my brain that someone will (can, could possibly even imagine to) list Hello Kitty and genocide together in their interests...aren't they, like, mutally exclusive? Someone needs to explain Venn diagrams to the youth of the world.

Anyway, is it Naziwank month or something? I can never remember the holidays. Was I supposed to buy presents, or can I just remain distrustful of german vegetarian water-colorists, per usual?

Damn, now I wish I had a goose-stepping Hello Kitty Nazi icon over which to alternately giggle and feel horribly horribly guilty.

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	mastervex 2006-03-01 06:49 pm UTC (link)
	What makes them mutually exclusive? A really really fucked-up combination, yes, but mutually exclusive? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ecchaniz0r 2006-03-01 07:06 pm UTC (link)
	I love your icon some good. Like Mamimi loves sour drinks. :D (Reply to this)(Parent)

	vigilanterodent 2006-03-01 07:10 pm UTC (link)
	I don't know about that. The question of what leads a government/people/whatever to commit genocide is a fascinating one. But it's also incredibly depressing, and dwelling too long on the "banality of evil" concept is exactly the kind of thing which makes one want to retreat into cheerful Japanese pop culture. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	azawakh 2006-03-01 08:44 am UTC (link)
	Ah, hauntings. How I missed thee and your ~~photographed dust motes~~ orbs. Back to on-topic wank, I'm more amused by the OP's concern over the whether or not her kid'll be affected by ghosts, but that's the dirty skeptic in me. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	silrana 2006-03-01 01:37 pm UTC (link)
	Wandering OT, have you ever seen Ghost Hunters on the SciFi Channel? They are a group that tries to find physical evidence of hauntings, and they are always making jokes ripping on orb pictures. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	bitca 2006-03-01 03:46 pm UTC (link)
	squees I hart Ghost Hunters. It helps that they operate locally to meeeeee! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	silrana 2006-03-01 05:04 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, you lucky thing. I adore them. My only complaint is that now they've ruined every other ghost show for me. If I tune into another show and see some woman in a floral dress waving her hands in the air and babbling about how many spirits she can sense, I roll my eyes and change the channel. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ayezur 2006-03-01 05:40 pm UTC (link)
	I was always like that, so Ghost Hunters is like Christmas every week. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	silrana 2006-03-01 06:54 pm UTC (link)
	I could watch them before for entertainment value, but after GH they just irritate me. And yeah, new episodes = happy, happy time in TV land. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	esclaramonde 2006-03-01 05:18 pm UTC (link)
	I watched two episodes back to back. The first one freaked me out, and then the second one bored me to tears and I waled away two-thirds of the way through. (Reply to this)(Parent)

v_digitalwytch
2006-03-01 06:08 pm UTC (link)

I was a latecomer to watching the show but soon as it comes available on DVD, I am definitely picking it up.

I've always been fascinated by ghosts and the bizzare. That comes from growing up in a haunted house, but even as a kid I wasn't too believing of people like the Warrens, and the first time I saw orb pictures, I was thinking dust (and still do).

Sad thing is when it comes to ghost researching, it's more idiots like them going in with the automatic presumption rather than taking the neutral approach with science.

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silrana
2006-03-01 06:52 pm UTC (link)

They have the first season out on DVD, and also a 'best of' collection.

But I have to say, the type of show I mentioned... I would watch them for entertainment, but not take them at all seriously. But with GH, they go into every situation with a "prove it" attitude. They always look for a mundane reason for the 'haunting'. One instance that comes to mind was a house where one room was always colder than the rest - they discovered that the heating ducts were blocked.

Even when they find something, they take a lot of time trying to see if it can be re-created in a non-paranormal fashion. Their carefulness pays off, like when they realized that someone had tampered with one of their cameras to try to fake a ghost.

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mastervex
2006-03-01 06:44 pm UTC (link)

Damn it, I wish I still had good cable. Orbs are pretty high on my favorite mockery topics list, for some reason. I think it started with that show I saw once where they were all excited because OMG look at all those tons of orbs in this video! It was taped outside, in winter, and all those craploads of "orbs" looked a whole lot like falling snow. SNOW. IT WAS SNOWING.

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silrana
2006-03-01 07:07 pm UTC (link)

It's pretty funny on GH. The show is a 'reality show' following The Atlantic Paranormal Society (TAPS), and like all groups they have a couple of members who get overeager. They will come running to Jason, one of the founders, all excited because a picture or film is full of orbs, and he'll just give them this disgusted look. He will bark, "Dust!" or "That's a damn moth, don't waste my time with that." Speaking of Jason, I adore him. He's very hardcore, and a dead ringer for Michael Chiklis (yum).

What makes orbs even funnier is that if you check some paranormal sites, they have their 'methods for getting good ghost pictures'. They tell people to change the focus on their cameras, guaranteeing that every bug or dust mote is going to show up as a ball of fuzz on film.

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	your_face 2006-03-02 06:50 am UTC (link)
	Oh god, I totally forgot about TAPS. Funniest shit ~~to mock~~ ever. I like how the young'uns on the show take it so seriously. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	azawakh 2006-03-02 04:11 am UTC (link)
	Have, and I was actually pretty surprised by the level of objectivity compared to similar shows. I wish there were more shows like it out there. (Reply to this)(Parent)

ecchaniz0r
2006-03-01 07:10 pm UTC (link)

Having a fiancé who took photography extensively leads to him making up a new verse of the 'OMG GHOST DUST GHOST DUST AAAAAA THE HORROR' song (yes...it's a SONG now, we've clonked into that much material) every time he sees 'orbs'.

Ultimately, orb jokes lead to boob/testicle jokes, which is all fine by me. Honestly, if people who slog around in darkrooms developing their own photos in stinky chemicals for the love of he craft tell you your ghost is just made of very close-floating happy dust? IT IS DUST M'KAY AND NO AMOUNT OF HOWLING DENIAL CHANGES THAT YOU OBNOXIOUS MORE BLESSÈD THAN THOU PAGANITS--ahem.

...Dang. *mops up schploo*

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	azawakh 2006-03-02 04:11 am UTC (link)
	Hahaha. PREACH IT. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sisterelwood 2006-03-02 07:26 am UTC (link)
	I hear you on the orbs. rolls eyes I swear, every piece of lint or fuzz known to humankind gets photographed and posted there. I'm there mainly for the funny stuffs associated with the paranormal and for the ghost stories. You and me both. (Reply to this)(Parent)

My thoughts on hauntings ;) Sorry!

tao_tao
2006-03-01 10:02 am UTC (link)

What is wrong with that aunt person? It's not about her stupid (or awesome) religion or any kind of religious freedom or oppression and seriously, the the nazixksx.. whatever chick is not a history buff. She has nazis, fascism, genocide and holocaust in her interests and I didn't see any mention of history. Hello? There is horror, horror movies, blood and bruises though.
A lot of haunting cases just exist in the head of the victim and are therefore entirely caused by their own negative energy, or am I the only one who ever had a creepy feeling right after seeing a horror movie or ... um .. a documentary about the holocaust?
And everybody who believes in demons uses positive energy to get rid of them, right? Reading about genocide by the light of black candles is strongly discouraged in such a case.

But I'm sure I'm oppressing someone by bringing my dirty psychology and old-fashioned common sense - uh - superstition - on their precious haunted houses.

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Re: My thoughts on hauntings ;) Sorry!

greenling
2006-03-02 01:18 am UTC (link)

And everybody who believes in demons uses positive energy to get rid of them, right?

Nope. Not everyone who believes in demons believes in energy-working, or in energy being "positive" or otherwise.

Though I can't see what genocide and black candles is supposed to do, unless you're an egotist trying to trick the thing into thinking you're already all evil and probably powerful and whatever, or unless you're a chaote trying to trick it into thinking you're too dumb to be worth bothering. *g*

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	Re: My thoughts on hauntings ;) Sorry! tao_tao 2006-03-02 12:49 pm UTC (link)
	Ha! Good idea the last one, I'm just not thinking outside of the box. Honestly, how could anyone not believe in energy? I see that not everyone would care for positive energy or dividing the world in positive and negative, but most people do, so the Mr Dark person was giving a pretty reasonable advice. (Reply to this)(Parent)

also_not_a_pipe
2006-03-01 06:03 pm UTC (link)

Aw, and nobody even answered her question. The answer being dude, yes, totally. Like on this one documentary I saw, this lady was sleeping in her room and some ghostly orb went under her covers and she ended up having this creepy, fast-aging kid who died in the course of the show.

Oh wait, no. I'm thinking of an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. I get that confused with more reliable sources sometimes. Carry on.

(Though really, all it'll probably do is freak her the fuck out when her kid gets old enough to talk and starts asking things like "Who's that man at the window behind you?" in the middle of dinner.)

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	sithwitch13 2006-03-01 06:42 pm UTC (link)
	The first comment's been deleted, so I have no idea how exactly this went from ghosts to Nazis. That said, I need to find a good paranormal LJ comm. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	sithwitch13 2006-03-01 06:45 pm UTC (link)
	Wait, I'm an idiot. How could I have missed the user name? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	gal_montag 2006-03-01 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	People who are Nazis usually have SNs that are a little more... asinine. Like OMG_iH8mudppl or something like that. (Reply to this)