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Eclair ([info]eclair) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-03-01 20:21:00


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Current mood:okay
Current music:Tenpei Sato - Disgaea 2 - Sinful Rose

Oh Amazon. You always know how to brighten my day. I went searching for the DSM-IV Manual for Psychology. Nothing bad there! Seems harmless, its just a regular book for Psychology majors, right?

Well, reviewers think differently.



Important bits bolded. Because bold means serious business. ♥

The DSM-IV is a political document, invented by committee vote and general vote of the American Psychiatric Association. It includes such phony 'disorders' as inability to do math, or inability to read. Only a profession largely made up of criminals ( they do electric shock and Lobotomies for heaven's sake!) would use this obviously non-scientific self-serving 'manual'. Psychiatrists creates myriad phony illnesses to justify their constant destruction of innocent people with heavy drugs, electric shocks, insulin shocks, other shocks and destructive brain operations. The DSM-IV is the vehicle for this criminal fraud.



Whether or not a person has to be locked up in a mental institution depends on the words and puncuation cited from the DSM IV TR. This manual denies humanity as it seeks to demand all people adhere to the set of social norms advocated by the authors of the DSM. That God's instructions for humanity are tethered to the cowardly responses to a wealth of human behavior someone has deemed, "Unacceptable". How arrogant! If you are religous, then ask yourself why God never thought of "diversity". Again, it is simply the American Psychatric Associations capitulation to the current governors of PROPER BEHAVIOR to dismiss choice in favor of blind loyalty to the current leadership. If a person gets stuck with any of the many labels found haphazardly strewn about in the DSM, that person is unpeopled as no longer will they enjoy the Constitutional rights gaurenteed to all Americans. The police won't even take a report of a crime from a person who suffers from Depression dismissing the assault/theft/blood, as the product of a delusion - nothing more. Of course, psychiatry will prop the opinion of the police, because police are never wrong. Right? Psychiatrists are afraid to challenge any authority figure for anything. How many people are locked up in the United States for questioning authority? Very many I believe. Let's stop the madness, and put our sensitivity chip back in our brain, and enjoy the diversity and novelty of harmless people.



It is true that the American Psychiatric Association merely votes these "disorders" into the DSM. Would you call that science? Voting for politicians is not the same thing as voting for whether something is a disease. (In any case, look at where political voting has gotten us.) Science establishes TRUTHS. The proper use of science would eradicate OPINIONS about the cause of a disorder and establish TRUTH. Voting is, by definition, a tool for establishing OPINIONS. It's not science. The DSM is therefore invalid. It stands ONLY upon opinion. You wouldn't vote about the cause of polio. You'd use science to establish its cause and eradicate it. If your science was accurate, polio rates would drop dramatically if not vanish. But the DSM just gets bigger and bigger and we now apparently have to screen every person in America because mental health is supposedly going downhill. Is it really? (Orly?) Or do all these opinions just make it look like it is by voting into existence new disorders. If it is indeed going downhill, how come all this "science" hasn't resulted in less mental health "disease" and not more. I'll tell you why, because it's not based on science. It's based on voting and opinions.



The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM)--the psychiatrists' reference on what diseases are out there and what drugs are used to treat them -- is complete fiction. Psychiatric "diseases" are VOTED into existence by a panel of about 1000 members of the "Mental Health Industry", and when these "diseases" win the vote and are included in the next edition of the DSM, they become by that fact "real". I would suggest that any person about to have a diagnosis rendered upon them through the use of DSM IV and who is concerned about their rights to disagree should contact attorney Skip Simpson of Dallas, Texas.




Tiny, yes. No verbal back and forth, yes. But I think calling all psychologists criminals just seems to give it a special touch. I didn't know this book was kind of controversial. Lawyers make everything better, though. Oh yes.



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[info]greenling
2006-03-02 01:45 am UTC (link)
I wonder how many of those people aren't Scientologists.

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[info]frequentmouse
2006-03-02 01:46 am UTC (link)
The ones who are members of the John Birch Society, probably. Same shit, different generation.

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[info]wrazn
2006-03-02 02:00 am UTC (link)
Tom Cruise, is that you?

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[info]greenglass
2006-03-02 02:02 am UTC (link)
Only a profession largely made up of criminals ( they do electric shock and Lobotomies for heaven's sake!) would use this obviously non-scientific self-serving 'manual'.

As a psychology student, I ... No. *head explodes*

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[info]eclair
2006-03-02 02:06 am UTC (link)
I'm not imagining us becoming Frakenstein like creators. Sending patients up to the roof of our labs to shock them to life! While we wear creepy lab coats and black gloves.

As criminals, we must dress appropriately.

... I guess it doesn't help that the other textbook I had to buy was called "The Wizard Within" (a view on Hypnosis, one of the classes I'm taking) so its REALLY not helping this mental image.

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(no subject) - [info]eclair, 2006-03-02 02:06 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]eclair, 2006-03-02 02:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenglass, 2006-03-02 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eclair, 2006-03-02 02:46 am UTC
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[info]jumble
2006-03-02 02:09 am UTC (link)
The DSM has problems, it always has. Things have gone in there that are mind-boggling, BUT, this is clearly the crazy leading the crazy.

Man, I am itching for a fight with someone who does not think that depression is an illness. COME AND GET IT

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(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-03-02 02:20 am UTC
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[info]wickedlester
2006-03-02 02:17 am UTC (link)
My, what people won't find to get upset about these days!

This is what happens when we no longer have to fight for food and shelter. We resort to having to find stuff to bother us instead.

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[info]samhatesyou
2006-03-02 02:30 am UTC (link)
OH MY GOD I LOVE MY FIELD OF STUDY.

( they do electric shock and Lobotomies for heaven's sake!)

I can't stop laughing. I'm about to pull a muscle, I think.

Of course, psychiatry will prop the opinion of the police, because police are never wrong. Right?

Because the fields of law enforcement and psychiatry are always in perfect agreement, of course. As a Psych major/Administration of Justice minor, I am especially in love with this section.

There is so much that is so marvelously, epically wrong about so many of those reviews that I cannot even begin to point them out, so instead I'll just sit here laughing hysterically. A+ WANK

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[info]smut_queen
2006-03-02 02:30 am UTC (link)
So. I have a bipolar disorder & I've filed police reports, but I guess I was just halluciniating that the police were taking me seriously.

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(no subject) - [info]eclair, 2006-03-02 02:32 am UTC
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[info]nekoneko
2006-03-02 02:36 am UTC (link)
That reminds me of something. There was some talk at my college about the DSM. I actually went out and found the lone remaining sign about it, and took pictures with my cell phone, which I would gladly share, if I could get them off.
It states: Making Us Crazy
A Christian Appraisal of
the DSM IV and Secular Psychology
Lecturer: Dr. Sam Hortin
[time things]
Sponsored by: Atheles Bible Fellowship

I wouldn't be so skeptical if it weren't for last months' "How World Religions Will Cause World War III", which, according to the hapless friend who went, was just a pastor reading from Revelations.

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[info]gunshou
2006-03-02 02:37 am UTC (link)
Ah, crazies!

When I was a psych student, my roommate's boyfriend believed I was an evil person and going to hell for all the research I was doing on poor defenseless animals: lobotomizing them, giving them depression, addicting them to crack, and whatever else. Except for the part where I wasn't doing any animal research at all. I told him I planned on doing my experimenting on people, thanks. I should have started with him; he had a meltdown and was committed to a psychiatric hospital a few months later.

Unsurprisingly, he was also of the mindset that depression is not an illness and that you can get over it if you really want to; he used to tell me the DSM was quackery. I wonder if that's why he went kayaking in March, to "get over" his depression through physical exertion. I wonder if he still believed depression wasn't such a big deal when he drowned in the river.

I'll use my Freudian icon for this, I think.

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(no subject) - [info]greenglass, 2006-03-02 02:42 am UTC
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[info]judyhazeleyes
2006-03-02 02:42 am UTC (link)
*politely twiddles thumbs, then sits on hands to keep from wanking*

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(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-03-02 05:57 am UTC

[info]cadesama
2006-03-02 02:45 am UTC (link)
Psychiatrists creates myriad phony illnesses to justify their constant destruction of innocent people with heavy drugs, electric shocks, insulin shocks, other shocks and destructive brain operations. The DSM-IV is the vehicle for this criminal fraud.

For one thing, it wasn't insulin shocks -- it was insulin comas. Jeez, get it right. For another, does this mean that psychologists aren't allowed to use the DSM-IV? Do they have to use the outdated ones because they aren't the magnificent criminal masterminds that people with medical degrees are?

It is true that the American Psychiatric Association merely votes these "disorders" into the DSM.

::eyeroll:: This is exactly the kind of loony I hate. S/he knows just enough truth to sound plausible while spouting paranoid trash at people. Sure, it gets voted on -- but disorders are only up for inclusion after the APA members gather together a number sufficient case reports from their practices of that disorder. Yeah, the way things are done is sometimes controversial and wacky. That doesn't mean it's evil, or that the disorders are made up (except that time in the eighties with all of the MPD case and the devil worship and insurance scamming), or even that politics don't have a role to play in what is considered a disordered behavior. These things are based off of social norms and how much distress is caused to the person, after all, and all of these things are tied together.

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(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-03-02 03:06 am UTC
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[info]daylightsparks
2006-03-02 03:16 am UTC (link)
Of course there's a political aspect to the codification of mental disorders - the kerfluffle over whether to classify homosexuality as a "disorder," for instance, or the concept (embraced by a number of governments, including the U.S.'s on occasion) that political dissidence constitutes a mental disorder.

But to argue that the DSM simply "invents" diseases out of thin air, and that none of these diseases actually exist, is ridiculous. I am getting damn sick and tired of people claiming that depression isn't real, it's just invented by The Man to keep us down. I don't have a physical illness caused by insufficient serotonin uptake - I'm unique and special and I'm being punished because I don't fit into societal norms. OMG OPPRESSION!

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(no subject) - [info]naienko, 2006-03-02 04:47 pm UTC
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[info]greypearl
2006-03-02 03:36 am UTC (link)
Only a profession largely made up of criminals ( they do electric shock and Lobotomies for heaven's sake!) would use this obviously non-scientific self-serving 'manual'.

They say electric shock like it's a bad thing!

But seriously, electroconvulsive therapy has been shown to increase neurogenesis in the brain, which may be the same way that antidepressants work. Just because people were treated with it long before anyone knew why or if it would work doesn't make it a bad therapy. We still use antibiotics, don't we? Bread mold, anyone?

*sponges self off*

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(no subject) - rachelthedemon, 2006-03-02 06:25 am UTC
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[info]aerobot
2006-03-02 03:50 am UTC (link)
Holy crap! All of these reviews can be summed up with: "You don't understand the history of psychology! I DO!!"

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(no subject) - [info]goldberry, 2006-03-02 05:50 am UTC

[info]zarla
2006-03-02 04:00 am UTC (link)
Hahahaha I love psychology and all the paranoia kicked up by it so much. GO CRAZIES GO

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(no subject) - [info]eclair, 2006-03-02 04:16 am UTC
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[info]lizzypaul
2006-03-02 05:52 am UTC (link)
And all I can think is: poor Katie Holmes. :(

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(no subject) - [info]mathilde, 2006-03-02 03:59 pm UTC

[info]feloniousfeline
2006-03-02 05:58 am UTC (link)
( they do electric shock and Lobotomies for heaven's sake!)

First of all, electric shock therapy isn't nearly as bad as it used to be. They give you anesthesia first. Where's the fun in that?

Secondly, now a days lobotomies are rare to the point that it's damn near impossible to get one even if you want one.

Which makes me wonder who did you yours.

The DSM-IV is the vehicle for this criminal fraud.

VROOOOOM!

The police won't even take a report of a crime from a person who suffers from Depression dismissing the assault/theft/blood, as the product of a delusion - nothing more.

My dad wishes. He hates writing reports.

Or do all these opinions just make it look like it is by voting into existence new disorders.

If this was done by vote, blatant stupidity would have been in the DSM a long time ago, Scooter.

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[info]xero_sky
2006-03-02 06:21 am UTC (link)
The DSM-IV is the vehicle for this criminal fraud.

And, hey, there's nobody who knows criminal fraud like your local Church of Scientology!

Thetans represent!

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(no subject) - [info]mael, 2006-03-02 07:43 am UTC

rachelthedemon
2006-03-02 06:23 am UTC (link)
*twitch...twitch*

New illnesses aren't being "invented." They're being discovered through mounting case reports. And the reason reports of mental illness are on the rise is because people are becoming better informed about what they're feeling, and learning to recognize that what they're experiencing is in no way normal, rational, or healthy. They're going to get treated so they can live happier, more productive lives instead of accepting that's "just the way they are" and suffering in silence.

And that, dear Tom Cruise Bandwagon, is a good thing.

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[info]khym_chanur
2006-03-02 07:03 am UTC (link)
Sounds like the Scientologists are flocking to give reviews. Did you know that, according to the Scientologists, psychiatrity is the primary cause of human suffering today, and that psychiatry and/or psychiatrists were responsible for the rise of racism and Hitler's Aryan-supremisist beliefs?

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(no subject) - [info]xero_sky, 2006-03-02 08:20 am UTC

[info]poisonyoulove
2006-03-02 08:23 am UTC (link)
Those wacky $cientologists . . . why let people blame things on depression, when the real cause of everyone's problems is that they have the ghosts of DEAD ALIENS stuck to their souls! Medicine is completely useless! We must put all our decisions in the hands of a science fiction writer!

Is it just me, or does it seem like the more a person froths against psychiatry, the more they're in need of some? Or am I just being glib?

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(no subject) - [info]pirotess, 2006-03-02 01:22 pm UTC

redwarrior
2006-03-02 09:14 pm UTC (link)
Misapplication of Derridas! Misapplication of Derridas! *BEEEEEEP*

Don't you know the REAL purpose of the DSM-IV is solely to create Asperger's wank? *snerk*

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[info]brown_betty
2006-03-08 02:12 am UTC (link)
Anyone else hearing "a profession largely made up of criminals," in the voice of Wallace Shawn, aka Vizzini?

Okay, never mind.

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