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hangingfire ([info]hangingfire) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-03-07 14:05:00


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W for Wank
(Posted to otf_wank, since I'm not sure that V for Vendetta counts as a fandom, really.)

Libertas, "a forum for conservative thought on film", publishes a review of the forthcoming V for Vendetta by an anonymous reviewer who calls himself "Road Warrior".

"Road Warrior" excoriates the film as "a paranoid, left-wing fever dream of what America is here and now". Many (politically conservative) commenters agree. Some (not so conservative) don't. Lots of self-important wankiness on both sides, fun for the whole family.

As a sidebar to the main chatter is this gem concerning The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. Apparently confusing "ode to" with "satirical commentary on and homage to", commenter Jim Rockford writes:
Oddly enough; League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is practically the most screamingly conservative comic book ever written. It’s an ode to Victorian values, modes, heroes, writers, and attitudes (except for sex). I’m talking about the comic book not the movie. The aging great white hunter with the Elephant Gun is the central hero and he slaughters innumerable Chinese bad guys including Fu Manchu. And the comic book itself is FILLED with these weird Victorian ads and phony Victorian-style letters etc. It’s clear the guy really loves Victoriana.
*snicker* *snerk* *giggle*

Full disclosure: I'm a raving comics fangirl and a big fan of Alan Moore's work (and I got a letter published in the lettercol for one of the Volume 1 issues, where I was told that I must amend my filthy reading habits and learn cookery and sewing, or else never get a husband), and a liberal nutcase. And although I initially had misgivings about the V film, I'm actually very interested in seeing how it turns out.

Edited to add: I highly, HIGHLY recommend that folks go to the Comic-Con section of the official Warner Brothers V for Vendetta web site and check out the transcripts of the Q&A. I was there, and my god there is GOLD in them thar hills. You'll want to listen to the audio transcript; the text versions edits down the most egregious episodes of fanboy cruelty (i.e. the Chronic Pain guy and the Mighty Ducks guy. You'll see what I mean when you get there). That being said, there is some good commentary from David Lloyd, the original V artist, and the third question covers the whole business of Alan Moore's disassociation from the film.


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[info]hallidae
2006-03-07 09:31 pm UTC (link)
. . . I'm impressed at just how utterly far off the mark everybody in that wank managed to be. I mean, I thought it was a given fact to anyone who even knows the name Alan Moore that he weaves satirical commentary into just about every damn thing he puts into a word processor.

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[info]smo
2006-03-07 09:33 pm UTC (link)
Word. Like, isn't the point of his stuff that he skewers every-damn-body, regardless of their political affiliation?

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[info]smo
2006-03-07 09:39 pm UTC (link)
this film set in the jolly ol’ England of the not-so-distant future is very much about America here and now.

Yes, that's right. Because EVERYTHING IS ABOUT AMERICA LULZ.

Jesus.

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[info]ecchaniz0r
2006-03-07 09:44 pm UTC (link)
ARGH dffgdsjkhdfjgddf.

I mean good Jesus. it's like

THE POINT!











Road Warrior's head!

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[info]kadath
2006-03-07 10:07 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I liked this part:

From the very opening of this film, it becomes clear that the futuristic England under the reign of evil Conservatives (no brain-dead writer cliche there, right?) is meant to be a stand-in for the filmmakers’ paranoid vision of America - or where they believe America is headed.

Still, they're advertising it as "an uncompromising look at the future from the minds who brought you The Matrix" or something stupid like that, so I'm wondering how much of Moore actually made it through.

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[info]deoridhe
2006-03-07 09:59 pm UTC (link)
Am I the only one amazed at the depths they can plumb of a review for a movie they haven't even seen??? Several other times in there people said, "I haven't seen this, but I think it reveals XYZ about the Director."

Bitch, PLEASE.

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[info]mousy_345e4
2006-03-07 10:01 pm UTC (link)
They get lumped with the kids going "OMG BBM LOST TO CRASH BECAUSE OMG HOLLYWOOD IS TEH EBIL AND HATES GAYS" and never saw any of the other movies. *sighs*

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[info]hangingfire
2006-03-07 10:01 pm UTC (link)
It's not just you. Good stuff, that -- explicating unseen films is one of the cornerstones of good moviewank.

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[info]smo
2006-03-07 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Not only that, but they appear also not to have read the book, or even to be aware that there is one (and that it was written by a Brit, so it's unlikely our "friends across the Pond" are going to take it as a slap in the face from us).

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[info]esclaramonde
2006-03-07 10:28 pm UTC (link)
*does not make comparison between this and people who excoriate books they haven't read and write essays based on hearsay*

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[info]skewed_tartan
2006-03-07 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Yeah...because there's no conservative political party in England like the one we have here. Maragret Thatcher anyone? Moore is definitely a British writer through and through, just because the metaphor can be applied to America is consquential, not intentional.

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[info]smo
2006-03-07 10:34 pm UTC (link)
Preach!

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[info]the_wanlorn
2006-03-07 10:49 pm UTC (link)
Apparently confusing "ode to" with "satirical commentary on and homage to"

Eesh, it's not just him. I spent a goodly while explaining why the sexist comments at the end of each chapter of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen were kind of funny not kind of insulting.

I mean, it's Alan Moore! Could he've made it any more obvious?

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[info]doroc_sabah
2006-03-07 11:58 pm UTC (link)
Anything is too obvious for Alan Moore.

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pink_lightning
2006-03-08 02:18 am UTC (link)
I've got to get the individual chapters or at least the deluxe set. I missed out on the letters. (Which I heard were a complete pisser.)

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[info]princessdot
2006-03-08 12:38 am UTC (link)
I replayed couple of times but couldn't really hear well that the Mighty Ducks guy said to Natalie Portman that was so embarrassing?

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[info]seiberwing
2006-03-08 01:01 am UTC (link)
Did they miss the part in the comic where Quartermain was wasting away in an opium den and Skinner went around raping women with his invisible powers?

(Movie was better!)

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pink_lightning
2006-03-08 02:17 am UTC (link)
Oddly enough; League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is practically the most screamingly conservative comic book ever written. It’s an ode to Victorian values, modes, heroes, writers, and attitudes (except for sex).

*pisses self laughing*

Well done, Jim Rockford! You've completely missed the point! XD

LOEG is love. I'm aching to adapt it into animation like it deserves.

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[info]adora_spintriae
2006-03-08 02:33 am UTC (link)
Man, and here I thought the funniest wank about this movie was Alan Moore's Diva Theatrics (again!) vs Joel Silverman's Press Conference Fuck-Ups.

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[info]miss_arel
2006-03-08 06:04 am UTC (link)
"Road Warrior" excoriates the film as "a paranoid, left-wing fever dream of what America is here and now"

Because it's ALL ABOUT AMERICA. Have these people never heard of Margaret fucking Thatcher? I mean, the themes in the comic (and presumably the movie too) can be applied to any country where people let the government attain too much power, but it was living in 1980s London that inspired Moore to write the comic in the first place.

Re: the Comic-Con thing... it's surreal reading the transcripts, cos I was actually there... sitting in the back row... falling just a little bit in love with Natalie Portman.

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pink_lightning
2006-03-08 09:44 am UTC (link)
*reads transcripts*

God Almighty, now I'm really glad I didn't go.

Then again, after I found out what Kahn the Cunt said, I think my mind was already made up about Comic Con. >.

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[info]coffee_mug
2006-03-08 03:43 pm UTC (link)
Why can't a film just be a film? Fiction? Non-allegoric? Hugo Weaving is hot?

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[info]rotten_fish
2006-03-08 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Oddly enough; League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is practically the most screamingly conservative comic book ever written. It’s an ode to Victorian values, modes, heroes, writers, and attitudes (except for sex). I’m talking about the comic book not the movie. The aging great white hunter with the Elephant Gun is the central hero and he slaughters innumerable Chinese bad guys including Fu Manchu. And the comic book itself is FILLED with these weird Victorian ads and phony Victorian-style letters etc. It’s clear the guy really loves Victoriana.

::hits this person:: You didn't actually read the comic, did you? God, you are an idiot.

Me, I'm looking forward to V is for Vendetta. I don't know a thing about it; I'm just pretending it's going to be like 1984 with guns.

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[info]mcity
2006-03-08 07:13 pm UTC (link)
Am I the only one who keeps comparing the dude on the big screens with Desmond from the titular sitcom?

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[info]eli_eli_oh
2006-03-09 02:13 am UTC (link)
Okay, so while we're adapting the collected works of Alan Moore, can I get a Promethea movie?


Please?

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