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	seiberwing 2006-03-11 05:10 pm UTC (link)
	No fair, all the good stuff is screened! (Reply to this)(Thread)

	gingersnaps 2006-03-12 12:01 am UTC (link)
	The screened stuff was all some girl saying "OMG you murderer, karma is going to bite you on the ass if you murder your child!" etc etc etc. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	seiberwing 2006-03-12 12:46 am UTC (link)
	I expected as much. Just wanted to see the play-by-play, though. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	miss_padfoot 2006-03-11 06:55 pm UTC (link)
	Will not wank about "alternative medicine." Will not. Will not. (Reply to this)

	emiweebee 2006-03-11 07:04 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah, I'm way more scared of semi-surgical medical procedures than ingesting poison. Poison's natural! (Reply to this)

daylightsparks
2006-03-11 08:48 pm UTC (link)

I'm a firm supporter of herbal medicine and have had training in it as part of my midwifery schooling, and I would NOT suggest that anyone try an herbal abortion. Anything toxic enough to make you abort is toxic enough to kill you. People have died from ingesting pennyroyal oil to induce abortion - 'nuff said.

Lady, go to Planned Parenthood while you still can and stop thinking that "natural" = "safe." A tree falling on your head is "natural," too.

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	seiberwing 2006-03-11 09:09 pm UTC (link)
	Something as extreme as an abortion should be taken care of by a professional, not the interweb or an herbal clotheshanger. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	v_digitalwytch 2006-03-11 09:10 pm UTC (link)
	But of course the people speaking about using pennyroyal oil are the ones who were lucky or know someone who was lucky. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	mousy_345e4 2006-03-12 02:50 am UTC (link)
	Most of the one's I saw actually told her flat out, this stuff has been known to work - but it's also deadly. Still - Planned Parenthood has people who know what they're doing there to do this, and they've got methods that work a hell of alot better than anything lj can cook up, "natural" or not. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	isobelsomething 2006-03-12 04:55 am UTC (link)
	But what about parsley? I saw it in a movie! It must be true! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	platedlizard 2006-03-12 05:46 am UTC (link)
	I loved the bit about how if you massaged a pregnant woman's ankles it can cause a miscarriage. Okay! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	daylightsparks 2006-03-12 06:34 am UTC (link)
	Parsley is actually an emmenogogue (helps your period start), and there's a pressure point in your ankles that can stimulate contractions. I don't think either will cause you to abort, though. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	kookaburra 2006-03-12 09:47 am UTC (link)
	In the...ankles? The human body is a strange, strange thing. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	daylightsparks 2006-03-12 10:32 am UTC (link)
	It's all about qi or something. I don't know much about Chinese medicine, but it can be very effective. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	darkrose 2006-03-12 12:09 pm UTC (link)
	Lady, go to Planned Parenthood while you still can This chick is an idiot. However, it's also true that women may have to resort to that soon. I'm not holding out a lot of hope that the Roberts court is going to uphold Roe. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	ladybirdsleeps 2006-03-12 06:04 pm UTC (link)
	Hopefully there will be enough safe and not batshit insane underground abortion providers to at least help a lot of women. Some of them did have good training and procedures in the past. Also, taxi service to Canada w00t. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	slackerbitch 2006-03-13 06:39 pm UTC (link)
	I'm actually freaking out some about this, for selfish reasons, because I'm on meds that are apparently very, very good for me but would do horrendous things (to me but esp. to fetus) were I to get pregnant. This is also why I'm on assloads of bc, and in fact had to be before I could get the prescrip. If it fails? Yeah. Great. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	lindentreeisle 2006-03-13 08:13 pm UTC (link)
	Kinda sucks for you if you live in New Mexico though. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	ladygoddess 2006-03-15 06:10 am UTC (link)
	Wow, would you mind talking to me in e-mails or something about midwifery (if you're in America)? I'm fascinated by the field and have been uncertain about whether or not I should try for it. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	dawnswalker 2006-03-12 04:57 am UTC (link)
	Ten internet dollars says that the OP thinks that downing pennyroyal oil cocktails will be safer than going to a doctor because she's convinced that Bush's AMERIKKKA has sabotaged (or boobytrapped) abortion clinics everywhere. (Reply to this)

	annabelle_lee 2006-03-12 06:05 am UTC (link)
	(I'd be so afraid of abortions harming my body!) Ahahahahahahahah, someone with a fetish for self-injury is saying they're afraid of abortions harming their body. I dunno whether the OP is trolling, trying to be ironic, or just that much of a dumbfuck. I'm guessing all of the above for $500, Alex. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	emiweebee 2006-03-12 07:00 am UTC (link)
	Oh, really? I vote troll, then. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	annabelle_lee 2006-03-12 07:13 am UTC (link)
	Really. I was curious to who the OP was, so I took a look on their user info. There's all sorts of stuff pertaining to SI on there. Hi-larious. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-03-12 02:08 pm UTC (link)
	They also used herbs to fight disease. Call me crazy, but I'll take my chances with antibiotics, thanks. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	rachelthedemon 2006-03-12 10:27 pm UTC (link)
	Well, it depends on the disease. I use cranberry tablets and drink like crazy to treat UTIs, and it works fine. Less expensive than Macrobid, and it doesn't cost me a doctor's visit (especially now that my insurance is dried up). But abortion? That's insane. If it's deadly enough to kill a fetus, it's plenty deadly enough to kill you, too. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	issendai 2006-03-13 01:38 am UTC (link)
	Word. Garlic and yogurt are great for yeast infections. Penicillin is great for ear infections. Don't try to stick herbs in your ear, they'll only improve the smell a bit as you go deaf. People who think you can do anything with herbs drive me insane--if herbs are so great, why did people in the past routinely die young? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rachelthedemon 2006-03-13 01:47 am UTC (link)
	Exactly. Herbs are good for some things. I treat cystitis with cranberry, but if it's a kidney infection? I don't care how much it is, gimme my antibiotics. The trick is knowing what you can treat with homeopathy, and what you can't. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	aerobot 2006-03-13 02:18 pm UTC (link)
	Seriously!? I'll keep note of that the next time I get a UTI. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	rachelthedemon 2006-03-13 04:52 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. The trick is to take 800mg of cranberry every 8 hours, and drink enough to where you're peeing a lot once an hour. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	heddychaa 2006-03-13 09:36 pm UTC (link)
	I'll have to try that. I get UTI's every three days, it feels like. And peeing in a cup that often is not my idea of fun. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rachelthedemon
2006-03-13 09:56 pm UTC (link)

No kidding. Not to mention that for women with frequent UTIs, antibiotics can lose their effectiveness if they're depended upon too much. Cranberry works by preventing bacteria from adhering your bladder lining so you can flush the infection out with plenty of water (the last time, I drank on average about 2-3 gallons a day for 3 days). The same properties can be found in blueberries, but cranberry is preferred because it has a lot less sugar, which is handy bacteria food.

You can also use unsweetened cranberry juice in the highest concentration possible if you like, but I prefer the caplets because the juice, even sweetened, tends to make me nauseous if I drink too much.

Important advice, though: if symptoms don't improve within 36 hours of the home remedy, get thee to a doctor. As much as I like home remedies for simple things, I'm not for being stupid and not seeking medical attention when they don't work. And urinary infections are not to be taken lightly.

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	aerobot 2006-03-14 01:52 am UTC (link)
	TAKES NOTES And urinary infections are not to be taken lightly. I hear that. We scrambled to find a doctor on Boxing Day because I had blood in my urine. BLOOD VERY BAD. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	smo 2006-03-12 04:21 pm UTC (link)
	"Sit and drink pennyroyal teeeeeeeeeaaaaaa..." (Reply to this)(Thread)

	panthea 2006-03-12 05:27 pm UTC (link)
	Old-school represent! \o/ (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2006-03-12 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	I remember when that song first came out. dates self (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	panthea 2006-03-12 09:35 pm UTC (link)
	::refrains from obvious joke:: (Reply to this)(Parent)