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There (tsuzukilove) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-04-04 01:41:00


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Current mood:Caffeinated
Current music:The sound of my computer fan

Yahoo!Blog on women's expectations explodes in wank

http://blogs.health.yahoo.com/experts/sexlevine/12020/tick-tock-of-the-biological-clock

In which DebLevine, once a modern enough woman to write for Go Ask Alice and to write a book on cybersex, reverts to the 1950s ideal of true womanhood in a salvo of wank usually only found on a Focus on the Family website:

Women, how can you have everything? Turn the same ingenuity and creativity you applied to your career to the sometimes-considered-daunting task of finding a compatible mate and having kids. Instead of sitting around and waiting for reproductive technology to rescue you, sit down and figure out how to make the nuclear family part of your life work. Once you set your mind to it, it can all happen at the speed of light. Meet, marry, kids.

Unsurprisingly, more wank explodes. It doesn't start getting really hot and heavy until page 2 here, and Yahoo!Blogs doesn't have a link to post feature (lone emo tear) but for those willing to read, this thread provides the wank. We have childfree wank at various points, traditional values wank here and possibly elsewhere, grammar wank regarding foghorn_25 starting here and going on through the next pages (though I do wonder what, exactly, a "pshyco=analist" is), feminism wank at various points. This posting is a veritable rainbow of wank.

It's up to 682 comments, and the wank is still going on. . . and on. . . and on. Yahoo's featuring this on the main page for their SBC users (where I found it in the first place) didn't help matters.



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[info]oxydosic
2006-04-04 11:30 am UTC (link)
I was hoping this was an April fool's joke... boy, the author really assumes everyone wants to have kids don't they? It's just a matter of oversight if you don't have any.

And the commenters who act like you can only really prove how good your marriage is and how much you love each other is by reproducing kind of creep me out.

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[info]miss_padfoot
2006-04-05 01:40 am UTC (link)
It's just a matter of oversight if you don't have any.

Or if you can't have any.

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-04-04 11:30 am UTC (link)
I don't know how to create a nuclear family. Even if I did, where would I get enough U-235?

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[info]smo
2006-04-04 01:02 pm UTC (link)
You win the internet.

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[info]marciamarcia
2006-04-04 03:05 pm UTC (link)
I hear yellowcake is pretty easy to get your hands on. Maybe you could make a dirty nuclear family.

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[info]senor_pinata
2006-04-04 03:17 pm UTC (link)
*offers you radioactive babies*

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(no subject) - [info]mookie, 2006-04-04 04:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-04-04 10:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2006-04-05 01:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]miss_padfoot, 2006-04-05 01:39 am UTC

[info]made_by_kali
2006-04-04 11:33 am UTC (link)
Have these people never heart of adoption?

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(no subject) - [info]made_by_kali, 2006-04-04 11:36 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mmanurere, 2006-04-04 10:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]annabelle_lee, 2006-04-05 04:54 am UTC

dracothelizard
2006-04-04 11:38 am UTC (link)
What about women who don't want kids? Should they just get dogs and cats and take care of those? And marry them?

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(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-05 12:49 am UTC

[info]ailei
2006-04-04 12:05 pm UTC (link)
I can see what I *think* is one of her points, considering that that whole post of hers is rather poorly constructed, and I sort of agree: that today's educated young women really tend to make it all harder than it should be. I'm talking about the women who live their lives by 'The Rules', and construct some huge mythos around what's basically just a guy. They're guys. Deal. Getting one? Is as hard as you make it, unless you are for some reason phenomenally unlucky in love. How it all works out from there is a whole other thing.

(I could go into here how our radically divided 'battle of the sexes' segregationist society has a lot to do with things like the divorce rate, but I'll keep it in my pants.)

But what I don't get, and where I think she goes south quickly, is when she talks about kids. As long as everyone's healthy and happy and has their eyes wide open, what difference does it make? To breed, not to breed, to adopt, or remain childless - it's all good. She even managed to contradict herself a bit. So a lot of today's couples are marrying when last generation's couples were traditionally divorcing for the first time? How is this bad, exactly? Doesn't this make their odds better? Oi.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-04 01:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-04-04 06:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2006-04-04 07:09 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]adora_spintriae, 2006-04-06 12:56 pm UTC
I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read.
[info]tofuknight
2006-04-04 01:04 pm UTC (link)
(from the bottom of page 2)
My boyfriend of 1 yr. 9 mo. and I are VERY happy together, and he says he wants to marry me and begin a family as well. Problem is, he hasn't proposed!

So, why don't you propose to him? Also, is it just me, or is it automatically suspicious if someone has to capitalize how happy they are?

This causes me much anxiety.

Perhaps you should see someone about that.

I feel so eager and happy to enter this next phase of our lives together. And to become a mother, which would be a wonderful expression of our love for one another - and it would be the most amazing privilege to nurture another soul.

Um... I want to become a mother because it's important to me and I want to. I want to raise children in my current relationship, but if it breaks up, _I still want to have kids._ It's not an expression of one particular relationship. Maybe I'm just weird that way.

But I don't know how much longer I should wait for him. I try to be patient and have faith (accept his pace), but there seems to be a gap between what he says and what continues NOT to occur.

Faith=putting aside your happiness for someone else's indecision? Okay!

If I wait too long, then I lose my window of fertility.

1) How long were you thinking of waiting? Or are you nearing your mid-thirties now? Besides, there are ways around that. Modern medicine is a wonderful thing.

Classic dilemma: Man who won't commit. Should I stay, or should I go? Any suggestions? p.s. I really do love him. Instinctually, I feel that we will marry. But how or when I couldn't possibly say. HELP!!

I wonder if he even knows she's waiting for him. I'm getting the impression that she hasn't told him _any_ of this. Now, I could be wrong and he could be a deadbeat, but I don't think so.

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Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]marciamarcia, 2006-04-04 03:10 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]bangoskank, 2006-04-04 03:39 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]mookie, 2006-04-04 04:16 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-04-04 06:37 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]aerobot, 2006-04-05 05:56 am UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]wankismyfandom, 2006-04-05 06:14 am UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]plazmah, 2006-04-04 03:24 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]mookie, 2006-04-04 04:13 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]greenglass, 2006-04-04 04:21 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]smo, 2006-04-04 05:40 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - tsuzukilove, 2006-04-04 09:55 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]smo, 2006-04-04 09:59 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]munchkinott, 2006-04-04 07:39 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]puipui, 2006-04-05 01:07 am UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]renata_hpjc, 2006-04-04 04:34 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]marciamarcia, 2006-04-04 07:59 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]avari, 2006-04-04 04:36 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]lady7jane, 2006-04-04 08:18 pm UTC
Re: I will now mock one comment, since the others are too...something to read. - [info]avari, 2006-04-05 12:54 pm UTC

[info]mookie
2006-04-04 02:29 pm UTC (link)
I commend everyone who was able to get through those comments. The moment I see "u" for "you" my mind shuts off and I skip the entire post and go to the next only to find "me 35, her 28". Thag have point. Thag make statement, you listen. Grunt, grunt.

As one of those evil selfish women who didn't have a child until later in life, I'm not even getting into my own issues with the grating tone of that article.

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[info]ladysorka
2006-04-04 03:25 pm UTC (link)
...gee, and here I've always gone "Marriage? Who needs marriage? Yay, adoption and artificial insemination!"

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-04-04 03:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tianxiaode, 2006-04-04 03:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2006-04-04 05:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]lizzypaul, 2006-04-04 05:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]amxjm, 2006-04-04 05:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - redwarrior, 2006-04-04 06:13 pm UTC

[info]bangoskank
2006-04-04 03:41 pm UTC (link)
Once you set your mind to it, it can all happen at the speed of light. Meet, marry, kids.

Am I the only one who thinks this a recipe for disaster? Seems to me like building a relationship in which you are going to raise and nurture other human beings should take a little bit more time and care than that. Getting together for the sole intent of breeding before it's too late, well I guess that's something you have in common.

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(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-04-04 10:00 pm UTC

[info]teratologist
2006-04-04 04:09 pm UTC (link)
I know this is disgustingly new-fangled of me, but I thought that for those of us without a duty to seal alliances between feudal territories through matrimony, the point was more about The Person You Are Marrying* than The Marriage.


*Or in my case, not marrying, because the government's ideas of what constitutes a proper long-term relationship can kiss my ass.

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-04 07:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-05 01:15 am UTC

[info]somnambulicious
2006-04-04 04:23 pm UTC (link)
Ive just ended a 5 year relationship with a man that has 5 kids and counting probally. Hes so permisquious (spelled wrong I'm sure) he probally has more now.

Permisquious is now my favorite word.

Maybe god will bless me with a rich man that will help me forfill my long life dream to have children of my own.

That's so many levels of fucked up that I don't know where to begin.

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(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2006-04-04 04:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-04-04 04:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2006-04-04 04:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-04-04 09:24 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]symbeline, 2006-04-04 06:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sharps, 2006-04-04 09:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hinata, 2006-04-06 12:33 am UTC

[info]greenglass
2006-04-04 04:25 pm UTC (link)
I wanked a little bit last night in the comments, but not enough to be noticed.

The article was Ok up until the ending paragraph. Then it just offended my inner feminist.

Women, how can you have everything? Turn the same ingenuity and creativity you applied to your career to the sometimes-considered-daunting task of finding a compatible mate and having kids. Instead of sitting around and waiting for reproductive technology to rescue you, sit down and figure out how to make the nuclear family part of your life work.

Translation: Instead of spending energy on the outside world, try to rope someone into marrying and having babies with you. Double you, tee, eff.

Once you set your mind to it, it can all happen at the speed of light. Meet, marry, kids.

I wish I had a horrified smilie to convey the expression of terror on my face.

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(no subject) - [info]tofuknight, 2006-04-04 04:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenglass, 2006-04-04 05:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]coyotegirl, 2006-04-05 03:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenglass, 2006-04-05 03:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hinata, 2006-04-06 12:37 am UTC

[info]wrongly_amused
2006-04-04 04:59 pm UTC (link)
*smacks head against desk* They all miss the fucking point, don't they? It's not about whether or not you want kids. It's not about being so wrapped up in yourself that you are selfishly entrenched in your own desires. It's about women being raised with the knowledge that can understand what *they* want and not be judged for it, rather than what society dictates.

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[info]symbeline
2006-04-04 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Finally. Wank where the childfree come out as the saner of the factions.

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(no subject) - [info]wrongly_amused, 2006-04-04 08:01 pm UTC
(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-04-04 10:04 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]fevered_ego, 2006-04-04 10:36 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-05 01:18 am UTC

[info]funwithrage
2006-04-04 06:11 pm UTC (link)
The OP is reminding me strongly of Charlotte Lucas. Who, you know, turned out *so well*.

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(no subject) - [info]marciamarcia, 2006-04-04 08:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]froda_baggins, 2006-04-05 06:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-04-04 10:01 pm UTC

redwarrior
2006-04-04 06:15 pm UTC (link)
Greaaat.

There goes my sex reassignment and my desire to becomes a famous translator.

Guess I should start hunting for a milionaire husband now so that he can knock me up...[/bitterness and anger]

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-04 07:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]aegflota, 2006-04-04 11:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-04 11:49 pm UTC

[info]tviokh
2006-04-04 07:15 pm UTC (link)
So, if "meet, marry, kids" isn't your goal, you're not a true woman?

Where the H-E-double hockey sticks is that penis of mine hiding then?

Instead of sitting around and waiting for reproductive technology to rescue you

Since when am I doing that?
I'm waiting for reproductive technology to NOT insist that I can't have my tubes tied because I'm under 35 and childless and leave me with the implication that all women want to be mommies and those who don't need to go through some serious psychological counselling to make sure they're not batshit crazy for not wanting to be a mommy.

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[info]quinctia
2006-04-04 08:48 pm UTC (link)
I do think that women shouldn't feel OBLIGATED to put a career first if they really have childbearing and having a big family or a family at a young age as their first priority.

And if the thing you want most in your life is to have a baby of your own? Then, yeah, it's probably best if you make the decision and attempt to have the child when you're best able to. If it's that important to you. Sure, there's medical science breakthroughs and ways to help you along if it's not working, but a woman who really wants to have kids should know the risk of waiting.

I don't really know if I ever want to have kids, so I'm not so concerned with that stuff. It's not a priority. So I don't worry about losing my window of greatest fertility or not being married yet or any of it.

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[info]rosalita
2006-04-04 10:53 pm UTC (link)
Holee cow. I have never seen so many illiterate comments in one place in my life.

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(no subject) - [info]mookie, 2006-04-05 03:29 am UTC

verthandi
2006-04-05 03:08 am UTC (link)
In which DebLevine, once a modern enough woman to write for Go Ask Alice

That right there was enough to stop me from reading that thread. Good fucking gods, how I hate that book. I had to read it for my adolescent lit class. It's the only book I threw across the room upon finishing and ranted for nearly an hour afterward.

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(no subject) - tsuzukilove, 2006-04-05 04:05 am UTC
(no subject) - verthandi, 2006-04-05 04:06 am UTC

[info]adora_spintriae
2006-04-06 01:01 pm UTC (link)
*sigh* Everyone wants to be a Naomi Wolf these days.

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