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amyheartssiroc ([info]amyheartssiroc) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-04-19 14:03:00


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My first wank report!
Over on [info]mock_the_stupid, [info]cupidstunts makes a post about a classmate who thought Shakespeare was "all fake. Like the fucking Truman show or something." People are amused. Then [info]wendes comments:

Sorry, but I have to come down on the "not very stupid" side of that. Apart from the obvious debate over who actually wrote "Shakespeare's" plays; we learn more and more not to take what we learn in school at face value. When I was a kid, we learned that there were "four food groups" (that you need bread, meat, dairy and fruit or veggies at every meal) and that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and then confessed to it because he was so honest. Later they told us that that the Vietnam War protestors were wrong and breaking the law...but even though we learned it all in school, it was all bullshit. And if you went around spouting that crap in real life, you'd look like an idiot.

My buddy's kid watched a show in school that was a "biography" of Satan. That kid came home scared shitless that Satan was a real guy, and angry that no one ever told him the danger he was in before. So no...just because you heard it at a school does not make it so.


[info]wendes wanks with [info]littlekatydid about milk, and a fun time is had by all.

Then [info]ubykhlives tries to introduce logic:

Yeah, but would you dispute the fact that sodium is an element because you learned that in school?

Predictably, the suggestion that the student do research on her own is beyond [info]wendes's understanding.

Small, but amusing, as [info]mock_the_stupid wank generally is.


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[info]ashenmote
2006-04-19 06:27 pm UTC (link)
The part of me that is chronically five is very pleased with the username [info]cupidstunts.

...and I'm sure Shakespeare would have liked that too!

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[info]froda_baggins
2006-04-19 06:38 pm UTC (link)
XDD Shakespeare is a fiction created by teh ev0l pr! the academic community!

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[info]janegraddell
2006-04-19 06:53 pm UTC (link)
There are times when even fandom can't hold a candle to the batshit crazy generated by serious, earnest, and sometimes even respectable scholars.

My personal favorite of the "Shakespeare didn't write his plays" theories is the one where Marlowe faked his own death and then ghost-wrote all of Shakespeare's stuff. Then there's the guy who did the mathematical analysis to show that the word-length ratios in Marlowe's plays matched Shakespeare's. And the guy who did something similar with Shakespeare and Bacon.

Then there's the 400-year-old flame war about whether the Sonnets are slash or just friendship. ;)

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[info]becktionary
2006-04-19 07:07 pm UTC (link)
I'm a fan of the theory Jasper Fforde put forth in The Eyre Affair: Thursday Next's father went back in time, gave Shakespeare the plays, and told him when to start performing them.

Seems as good as notdead!Marlowe, as far as I'm concerned.

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[info]seiberwing
2006-04-19 07:24 pm UTC (link)
I so need to read that book.

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[info]janegraddell
2006-04-20 02:34 am UTC (link)
That's why everyone's been telling me I need to read that book...

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(no subject) - [info]chibikaijuu, 2006-04-20 05:17 am UTC

[info]bubosquared
2006-04-19 07:33 pm UTC (link)
Now I'm tempted to put forth the theory that Marlowe did die and still ghost-wrote all of Shakespeare's plays ... literally! That's where the word comes from, didn't you know? *earnest, serious look*

Betcha anything I'd be able to convince at least one person if I manage to keep a straight face long enough.

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[info]ayezur
2006-04-19 07:40 pm UTC (link)
And it never occurs to those Marlowe fans that maybe they're sort of degrading the man by insisting that he needed to write as someone else to gain any serious fame.

Seriously. The Damnation of Dr. Faust pwns just about anything else Shakespeare came up with. Mephistophilies forever!

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(no subject) - [info]queencallipygos, 2006-04-19 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ayezur, 2006-04-19 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2006-04-20 02:44 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]semiotics, 2006-04-20 03:56 am UTC

[info]hallidae
2006-04-19 11:24 pm UTC (link)
'course, if you're a Gaiman fan, there's always the theory that Shakespeare pulled a Faust and made a deal with one of the Endless to get his talent. I'm sure there has to be someone out there who tried to throw this one into the scholar ring.

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[info]janegraddell
2006-04-20 02:38 am UTC (link)
I nearly peed myself laughing at the "bad, unruly stars" scene. Of course, any time Marlowe has a part--or, let's face it, a cameo...or a mention--in anything I can get...over-excited.

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[info]nevadafighter
2006-04-20 02:10 am UTC (link)
My favorite was the batshit theory that Daniel Defoe wrote them.

. . . not having been born until AFTER most of the plays were published, of course. He was a genius in the womb, obviously. ;)

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[info]belafarinrod
2006-04-19 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Well, the four food groups isn't entirely a lie, just a major simplification. Even vegans need the things that are in those groups, they just replace it with different food

And concerning the cherry tree story, I really like Pratchett's "lies for children... but useful lies!" explanation about stuff like that. It still doesn't mean that Washington didn't exist, or that he was a pathological liar (as far as I know)

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[info]luthe
2006-04-19 08:22 pm UTC (link)
That story was actually made up in the early 1800's by someone who was purporting to write a biography of Washington. Washington himself had nothing to do with it.

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[info]plazmah
2006-04-19 08:23 pm UTC (link)
OT, but this reminds me of how when you're in school, every year you learn something that negates what you learned in previous years. "You can't subtract a bigger number from a smaller number. Oh wait, you can! Then you get negative numbers. But you can't take the square root of a negative number. Oh wait, you can! Then you get complex numbers."

Education: a mountain of LIES!

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[info]ayezur
2006-04-19 08:41 pm UTC (link)
It's only numbers that lie. You know where you are with words; a word's a word, nevermind the intent behind it. Damn tricksy numbers can mean anything. Sometimes they aren't even numbers!

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(no subject) - [info]oar, 2006-04-20 03:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ayezur, 2006-04-20 04:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]marsdragon, 2006-04-20 05:28 am UTC

[info]chaimonkey
2006-04-19 10:25 pm UTC (link)
It's crazy how the Thanksgiving and Columbus stories mutate every year. Why can't they just teach genocide in kindergarten?

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[info]nebbieq
2006-04-19 08:57 pm UTC (link)
CONSTANT VIGILANCE, EVERYONE!

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vomitymcpuke
2006-04-19 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Errr...the four food groups is a lie!?

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[info]greypearl
2006-04-20 03:48 am UTC (link)
They've even restructured the food pyramid! Woe to all of us who attempt to learn things in school.

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[info]gal_montag
2006-04-19 10:15 pm UTC (link)
I never learned any of that at school except the part about the four food groups. We even discussed the possibilty that Shakespear's plays were written by several different people...

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[info]chibikaijuu
2006-04-19 10:47 pm UTC (link)
Yeah... I mean, we learned the *stories* about Washington and the Pilgrims and etc., but we weren't taught that ther were *true*.

We did leave out the Shakespeare authorship debate, because that wasn't really what we were focused on.

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(no subject) - [info]gal_montag, 2006-04-19 10:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2006-04-20 12:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]darkrose, 2006-04-20 01:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]oar, 2006-04-20 04:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2006-04-19 11:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2006-04-20 03:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]amyheartssiroc, 2006-04-20 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2006-04-20 04:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kraken_sleeps, 2006-04-20 03:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]janegraddell, 2006-04-20 05:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2006-04-20 03:42 am UTC
(no subject) - winterfox, 2006-04-21 11:07 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]hallidae, 2006-04-21 01:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - winterfox, 2006-04-21 01:19 pm UTC

[info]mydruthers
2006-04-20 03:20 am UTC (link)
Maybe wendes needs to re-think her user info:
"I dislike ignorance, malice, prejudice, misinformed know-it-alls, Bush supporters, fundies, lemmings, stubborness, and especially people who are rude to service workers." (emphasis mine)

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[info]wrongly_amused
2006-04-20 04:21 am UTC (link)
I'm amused at how many people mixed the point that it wasn't about *who* wrote the plays, but rather whether he existed or not.

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-04-20 04:59 am UTC (link)
I'm confused! Was Shakespeare gay or nonexistant?

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[info]puipui
2006-04-20 06:02 am UTC (link)
Maybe he was both?

Or, no, wait, that doesn't work, does it?

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(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-04-20 06:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-20 07:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-21 06:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ladybirdsleeps, 2006-04-21 06:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-21 07:40 am UTC

 
   
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