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Freezer - a buffet of manliness! ([info]freezer) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-04-22 11:29:00


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Abstinence Only: Because God Said So.

Courtesy a friendly neighborhood mousie @ [info]wank_report


On </a></b></a>[info]christianitysex, </a></font></b></a>[info]swisscelt passes along this amusing quote from </a></font></b></a>[info]slacktivist:


Rule of thumb: Whenever you hear the most enthusiastic proponents of abstinence-only sex education saying that sex is "sacred," understand that what they really mean is that sex is profane.


There's some polite, if pointed, back and forth regarding the validity of this statement re: all A-OSE proponents and a tangent on nudity, and it's all polite and non-wanky...


Then </a></font></b></a>[info]starchaser57 chimes in Actually this is a lie. Most of us who are enthusiastic proponents of abstinence only sex education understand quite clearly that sex is was God's idea and meant to be enjoyed frequently within the confines of marriage between a man and a woman only.


We also understand that God's laws are not only the correct way to live but the very best way to live.


Whenever you hear the most enthusiastic proponents of sex when every you want it because God's laws don't apply to us or Paul made it all up so we don't have to obey it, understand that what they really mean is that they want to have sex with anyone they want at any time without any consequences and no conviction for their sin.


Stunningly, people take issue with this proclamation.


Seriously, </a></font></b></a>[info]starchaser57  is wonderful to watch.  She's like a Bible-fueled Ginmar! ("I am God is right. You're wrong." Rinse, repeat)


And then there's </a></b></a>[info]hisprophet, chiming in :


This argument seems very contradictory.
If sex on the whole is not bad, why all of the suffering?
Why is there no rampant disease sweeping us off in other physical activities? Do you really think it's an issue of ignorance about safety?

You go against God's design, it will turn out death. It is no coincidence. Sin affects many people. It does not matter if someone believes in gravity, you gonna falli f you jump.


This is more fun (for an outsider) to read than it has any right to be!



Edited for grammar, some missing HTML tags, and hisprophet's correct gender.


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[info]missdaisy
2006-04-22 04:46 pm UTC (link)
If sex on the whole is not bad, why all of the suffering?

Dude, you're doing it wrong.

Why is there no rampant disease sweeping us off in other physical activities? Do you really think it's an issue of ignorance about safety?

Because the physical activites of smoking and over-eating junk food are good for you and don't lead to rampant disease?

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[info]exdee
2006-04-22 04:53 pm UTC (link)
from the Commandments of Coyote:

"...sex is just plain fun, unless thou art doing it entirely wrong."

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[info]sashenka
2006-04-22 06:16 pm UTC (link)
Dude, you're doing it wrong.

For serious, dude.

Because the physical activites of smoking and over-eating junk food are good for you and don't lead to rampant disease?

Lung cancer was created by liberals and is a farce to combat the cigarette industry. Everyone knows that smoking a pack of cloves every day makes you cough up blood keeps the doctor away.

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[info]platedlizard
2006-04-22 08:07 pm UTC (link)
If sex on the whole is not bad, why all of the suffering?

Dude, you're doing it wrong.


Unless, of course, that's the way you like it.

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(no subject) - [info]visp, 2006-04-23 05:57 am UTC

[info]dreamoflife02
2006-04-22 04:47 pm UTC (link)
understand that what they really mean is that they want to have sex with anyone they want at any time without any consequences and no conviction for their sin.

Sounds fun to me!

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-22 07:01 pm UTC
Quoth Mark Twain - [info]ayezur, 2006-04-22 08:51 pm UTC
Re: Quoth Mark Twain - [info]smo, 2006-04-22 09:05 pm UTC
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[info]vigilanterodent
2006-04-22 05:05 pm UTC (link)
I've always wanted to start a [info]starchaser57 fanclub. She's my favorite comedy act.

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[info]gal_montag
2006-04-22 05:09 pm UTC (link)
Why is sex the only thing that's a part of God's plan that has so goddamn many sanctions and rules surrounding it (some of which seem pretty contradictory to God's plan)? Rules, by the way, that are completely archaic since DNA testing has more or less eliminated the reasons these rules were put into play.

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[info]azarias
2006-04-22 05:16 pm UTC (link)
Christ on a bouncing dildo, that's Starchaser from the Delphi boards! She's a cunt everywhere.

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[info]ladybirdsleeps
2006-04-22 05:16 pm UTC (link)
feminism is one of the sins God set a person free from

Beat me harder! I can't feel the freedom yet!

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[info]mmanurere
2006-04-22 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Whenever you hear the most enthusiastic proponents of sex when every you want it because God's laws don't apply to us or Paul made it all up so we don't have to obey it, understand that what they really mean is that they want to have sex with anyone they want at any time without any consequences and no conviction for their sin.

I just love the logic here: "Everybody knows that I'm right, and everybody shares my religious view of the world, but people who disagree with me are just selfish hedonists, because if you don't agree with everything I say you obviously have no ethical system at all.

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vomitymcpuke
2006-04-22 06:18 pm UTC (link)
STDs are from God?

DAYUM!

What about a good lil' wifey-poo who's hubby cheats on her and gives her something!? WHAT THEN, GOD?

Also, in the arguement for/against abstinence, why is it always either total prudery or complete slutty orgy time? No in the middle?

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[info]azawakh
2006-04-22 06:20 pm UTC (link)
If sex on the whole is not bad, why all of the suffering?

Maybe 'cause certain sections of the population, instead of accepting it as a natural part of animal existence, feel the need to slather it in Secret Stigma Sauce and insist any consequence should not be avoided because -that- is unnatural and clearly we should be punishing whores with STDs and illegitimate children....

Naaaaaaaah. *gets a mop*

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(no subject) - [info]innsmouth_eyes, 2006-04-23 06:22 am UTC

[info]hanncoll
2006-04-22 06:20 pm UTC (link)
Whenever you hear the most enthusiastic proponents of sex when every you want it because God's laws don't apply to us or Paul made it all up so we don't have to obey it,

Ding!

Paul was seriously fucked up, people. My personal feeling is that he suffered from more than a little 'I shoulda been Jesus 'cause I r smrt' syndrome.

Paul: "Wives should submit to their husbands! No, I mean, you all should submit to each other! That's it! Both of you submit. Yes. Oh, and wives shouldn't say anything in church, because yer all dimwitted clods. Hush and yer much-smarter husbands will 'splain it all to you later. Actually, people really shouldn't get married at all. Seriously, be like me, get control of your foul bodies and you don't have to worry about submitting to each other. Well, OK, fine, look, you're all out there having sex anyway. If you really can't control yourselves, I guess you can get married. But then don't forget about the submitting thing! By the way, slavery is just A-OK with me. All you slaves, obey your masters. Um. What else? Oh, yeah. Women shouldn't cut their hair. Ever. Or, you know, wear any jewelry or makeup. Because you're all just harlots in the making, and how the hell-- uh, I mean, heck -- are we supposed to control ourselves when you're all...made up and...uh...wow, lookin' really just fine, now that I think of it. *cough* I mean, don't ever get married! Submit! Obey! Sex is evil! You shouldn't even be enjoying it in the first place; what's wrong with you people?! YOU SHOULD BE LIKE ME!

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[info]arionhunter
2006-04-22 06:38 pm UTC (link)
Okay, raise your hand, folks: Who wants to mail [info]starchaser57 a dildo with "Clue By Four" written on it for the hell of it?

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[info]xero_sky
2006-04-22 07:52 pm UTC (link)
Actually God's laws are the only correct way to live and the very best way to live no matter who believes what.

That's awesome. She's summed up almost everything I despise about proselytizing fundies all in one sentence. She's a complete nutbag, but at least she's succinct.

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[info]darkrose
2006-04-22 08:13 pm UTC (link)
FTR, hisprophet is a woman. She's also incredibly fucking wanky--every so often, she feels the need to expound upon her "love the sinner; hate the sin" philosophy towards gays and lesbians on blackfolk.

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[info]aegflota
2006-04-22 10:07 pm UTC (link)
You go against God's design, it will turn out death.

That's the kind of God I don't want to know. It's sex, you retards. Not mass murder, gang rape or flying planes into stuff. Grow the fuck up.

*grumbly* I'm going back to read about the breasts of sucky customers.

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SPOILER WARNING - [info]andra_dodger, 2006-04-22 11:04 pm UTC
Re: SPOILER WARNING - [info]miss_padfoot, 2006-04-22 11:13 pm UTC
ROCKS FALL! - [info]lurker32, 2006-04-23 12:28 am UTC
Re: SPOILER WARNING - [info]aegflota, 2006-04-23 01:06 am UTC
Re: SPOILER WARNING - [info]andra_dodger, 2006-04-23 01:13 am UTC
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[info]moonjaguar
2006-04-22 10:08 pm UTC (link)
Nutty pentacostals are soo much fun-- unless you're trapped in a room with about four of them.

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[info]warchio
2006-04-22 10:37 pm UTC (link)
When I was a small child, my aunt had a picture of Jesus. In the toilet. Later in life I suspected this was her odd Baptist way of discouraging my teenage male cousin from jerking off in there. However, I digress. I - small child, never went to Church due to the war of attrition between my mum and the priest - was considerably freaked by the fact JESUS WAS WATCHING ME PEE.

My aunt said it was ok, Jesus was everywhere. All the time.

"Even in the toilet?"
"Yes, dear."
"Even in my BEDROOM?"
"Yes, Jesus is always watching you."

It took my mum some time to work out why I suddenly needed a nightlight. Like I said, I wasn't religious. Jesus watching me all the time was not comforting to me.

Yes, I do have a point.

The idea that God is *that* interested in my sex life gives me that same squinchy, uncomfortable, our God is a peeping Tom feeling. It's like...buying your beef from one of those organic farms and then catching the farmer using pictures of cows as pornography. It's just wrong and even if he's doing it, you don't want to know.

OK, Zeus and Odin and the rest would shag anything that moved. But at least they weren't all sneaky and odd about it.

"Oh yeah, only men and women can have sex. And married. Oh, boy, that gets me hot." - that is not a God I want.

Now I'm going to have nightmares about angry Jesus watching me sleep again.

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pink_lightning
2006-04-22 11:21 pm UTC (link)
I love how people interpret the Bible like that, ignore all of the nice things Jesus said, and don't even consider that the book was probably written in accordance with laws and customs at the time.

That reminds me, is there a reason why the Baptists haven't denounced Britney for being a ho?


I was going through some self-doubt about religion and how I'd be a horrible horrible person if I left Wicca to go back to Catholicism, until I realised the faith is what I make of it. So I like to help the needy, be kind to people, and follow Jesus's teaching instead of telling so and so that they're going to Hell. Nothing pisses off the fundies more than actually following the book. :) (I'm still a bit of a closet case, though.)

Also, an old priest of mine had a pearl of wisdom for my mom. She asked if you're not being a good Catholic if you disagree with the Pope's beliefs. He thought about it and said that you're not any less of an American if you disagree with the President, so the same could apply. I miss him. He was cool.

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(no subject) - [info]lovelypoet, 2006-04-22 11:50 pm UTC

[info]darthmaligna
2006-04-23 12:09 am UTC (link)
Every time there is wank from this community, I get this smug sense of superiority because at least my ethical code is based on logic and not some baseless belief in a big scary man in the sky. Gives me warm fuzzies just thinking about it.

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[info]brown_betty
2006-04-23 12:33 am UTC (link)
Fred Clark in otf_wank. My internet experience is complete.

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[info]mcity
2006-04-23 03:56 am UTC (link)
Actually this is a lie. Most of us who are enthusiastic proponents of abstinence only sex education understand quite clearly that sex is was God's idea and meant to be enjoyed frequently within the confines of marriage between a man and a woman only.

We also understand that God's laws are not only the correct way to live but the very best way to live.

Whenever you hear the most enthusiastic proponents of sex when every you want it because God's laws don't apply to us or Paul made it all up so we don't have to obey it, understand that what they really mean is that they want to have sex with anyone they want at any time without any consequences and no conviction for their sin.
*headdesks*
I agree with some of the points she's trying to make, but she's just so pompous. Especially that last one. No, 'they' honestly believe the laws don't apply, and know that there's a time and place for sex and don't hump like bunnies kthnxbye.

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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-04-23 04:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mcity, 2006-04-23 06:52 pm UTC

[info]annabelle_lee
2006-04-23 04:46 am UTC (link)
Every time I hear someone go off on the sanctity of marriage and how abstinence is oh so important, I remind myself that I'm not the one overpopulating the world with multiple children because a book said "Be fruitful and multiply."

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[info]beandelphiki
2006-04-23 05:36 am UTC (link)
Hisprophet is something else. As [info]darkrose noted above, she's got a long history of wanking anytime Christianity anything comes up - or she brings it up. She had one post in blackfolk last year over "homosexual curriculum," or something like that, which ended up with (if I remember correctly) a couple hundred comments.

She's reported arguments she's had in various communities where white people say stupid shit about racism, but she tends to gloss over the parts where she says really stupid things about, say, homosexuality. Irritating.

Love this, from swisscelt:

Actually God's laws are the only correct way to live and the very best way to live no matter who believes what. The evidence that this is true is all around us every day.

Funny, I see a lot of evidence that "God's laws" make some people incredibly miserable at best. Clearly, though, we aren't/weren't doing it right. Your misery is your own fault, you heathen loser!

Also, feminism is a sin? Buh? I can't even guess at what planet that would make sense on.

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