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Gilraen (ladyvorkosigan) wrote in otf_wank,
@ 2006-04-26 16:54:00

Tasty Feminist Wank
So Anti-feminism is a community dedicated to ripping on, basically, Feminist and Feminist_Rage (you remember these communities - they're the ones with the super special "safe-space-if-you-happen-to-agree-with-us" rules.)

The fun starts when

mrfappityfap posts, calling the feminist_rage posters whiners, bitches and basically the most closed-minded people ever to promote open-mindedness." Most of the posters agree, although some point out that women don't, perhaps, inhabit the happy-fluffy-discrimination-free land the OP seems to suggest.

Fortunately, special guest visitors from Feminist show-up to bring the wank.

thelastsplash warns the apparently innocent newcomer

crazy_alexy that she might not want to hang out with ANTI-FEMINISTS, and the rest of the thread is pure gold. In particular, don't miss the special guess appearance by Femininst-moderator

hexennacht ("safe space" apparently only applies to your OWN feminist community and TheLastSplash's attempt to really elevate the level of discourse.

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Cry me a river...

avari
2006-04-26 09:33 pm UTC (link)

mrfappityfap has the coherence and debating skills of a 4 year old (and then, I've known 4 year olds who were tougher debaters).

These women are whiners, bitches and basically the most close-minded people to ever promote open-mindedness.

Oh, honey, I guarantee I'm not "open-minded" about people like you - if by "open-minded" you mean "not critical". I'm a feminist, and I think you're a self-centered, naive, anti-choice dumbass. Also, you're a member of

proanorexia, which really doesn't come as a recommendation, to me.

Wow, I'm so not open-minded. Sob.

women are raped in this country less than half as often as men are

Is this some kind of joke? First, even if it were true, how does that invalidate feminism and what it represents (the radical notion that women, 50% of Earth population, deserve the same respect and rights as men, oh my the nerve)? And second, is there some sort of rape-victim competition going on we're not aware of?

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	Re: Cry me a river... azawakh 2006-04-26 09:34 pm UTC (link)
	I love "my tragedy is bigger/bloodier/more real than your tragedy" contests. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Cry me a river... kadath 2006-04-26 09:35 pm UTC (link)
	And second, is there some sort of rape-victim competition going on we're not aware of? The winners get free counseling! Yay! (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Cry me a river... ladyvorkosigan 2006-04-26 09:42 pm UTC (link)
	I didn't even notice the proanorexia membership - well spotted. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	moonfruituk 2006-04-26 09:34 pm UTC (link)
	Wow, a reasonable sized feminism wank, and still no sign of Ginmar...is she on holiday or has her brain finally exploded from all the rage she seems to carry round with her? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	vampslayer04 2006-04-26 09:46 pm UTC (link)
	Hopefully the latter. She's someone I wouldn't mind never hearing from again. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

moonfruituk, 2006-04-26 09:57 pm UTC

	selene_avis 2006-04-27 12:31 am UTC (link)
	Ginmar is busy being racist here. I couldn't even finish reading the post, but I'm sure there's some wank in the comments. I mean, she's Ginmar. Incidently, we're already snarking about it here. For that matter, I won't be surprised if it gets crossposted in ap_racism and/or debunkingwhite, if it hasn't already. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mmanurere, 2006-04-27 01:03 am UTC

rotten_fish, 2006-04-27 02:13 am UTC

	selene_avis 2006-04-27 12:33 am UTC (link)
	Ah, crap. I didn't realize that the dot_race_snark post was friendslocked. Sorry about that. Shame, really. The OP gave a nice summary of Ginmar's post. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	sheep 2006-04-26 09:58 pm UTC (link)
	Why does internet feminism make me want to marry the first bloke I see, quit my job, tear up my degree, throw away my shoes and walk barefoot in the kitchen, and start popping out babies like the human race was an endangered species? (Reply to this)(Thread)

	avari 2006-04-26 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	Normally, the effects of (some) internet feminists are countered by the stupidity demonstrated by (all) internet anti-feminists. It's a bit like the anti-choice people: they make me want to have an abortion just to spite them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

sheep, 2006-04-26 10:21 pm UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-27 06:43 pm UTC

	khym_chanur 2006-04-26 10:16 pm UTC (link)
	Members of xyz comm going over to anti_xyz comm to argue seems kind of pointless, unless creating wank was the whole point. (Reply to this)(Thread)

selene_avis
2006-04-27 12:37 am UTC (link)

A lot of the members of anti_feminism are also members of feminist. In theory, anti_feminism isn't a bad idea. It was intended as a critique of the flaws of feminist: things like U.S/Western-centric outlook, a predominately white membership, et cetera. Unfortunately, anti_feminism is a better idea in theory then it is in practice, but that's why you have so much membership crossover.

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shaggydogstail, 2006-04-27 12:46 am UTC

selene_avis, 2006-04-27 12:51 am UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-04-27 02:25 am UTC

beandelphiki, 2006-04-27 05:13 am UTC

	rotten_fish 2006-04-26 11:10 pm UTC (link)
	Are thelastsplash's comments screened? I can't see them. =( (Reply to this)(Thread)

	suziecroft 2006-04-26 11:13 pm UTC (link)
	Nah, she bahleeted them. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

rotten_fish, 2006-04-26 11:22 pm UTC

rotten_fish
2006-04-26 11:22 pm UTC (link)

Meanwhile, women are raped in this country less than half as often as men are (including, as feminists are not wont to do, prison populations). There is a growing scholastic achievement gap between men and women, and it is not at all favorable to men. Women hired out of college today earn more than men, in the same positions. Men are much more likely to commit suicide, be murdered, be the victim of an assault, be incarcerated, etc. Men are more likely to have longer prison sentences for the same crimes as women. Almost all of the most dangerous jobs in this country, those with the highest rates of fatality, are filled by men. Almost all military casualties are men. Men in this country have virtually no child custody rights.

As you can see, the patriarchy is out to get women. I'd be pissed if my markers were pink, or if someone wore a t-shirt, too.

....

Isn't it just awful to have a penis?
Isn't it plain frightening to have a dong?
It's a shame to have a stiffy
It's so dreadful to own a dick,
From the weariest little weenie
To the world's biggest prick...

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	quinctia 2006-04-27 04:24 am UTC (link)
	Well, if the trend grows, the college gap WILL be quite disturbing. As it is, more women enroll and even more graduate. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	andra_dodger 2006-04-27 12:50 am UTC (link)
	women are raped in this country less than half as often as men are Bwah? No. Seriously. Wankers from a parallel universe. Clearly, they walk among us. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	khym_chanur 2006-04-27 12:59 am UTC (link)
	Well, it might be that male-on-male prison rape happens so often that the total number of male-on-male rape incidents is twice as much as the incidents of women being raped. But this would mean a small set of men being raped over and over and over, as opposed to a large set of women who are raped once or twice in their lives. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

andra_dodger, 2006-04-27 01:08 am UTC

andra_dodger, 2006-04-27 01:09 am UTC

selene_avis, 2006-04-27 01:38 am UTC

miss_arel, 2006-04-27 02:20 am UTC

andra_dodger, 2006-04-27 02:24 am UTC

kittikattie, 2006-04-27 09:17 am UTC

	mmanurere 2006-04-27 01:01 am UTC (link)
	Men in this country have virtually no child custody rights. ...which is why, of course, fathers are given primary custody in ~70% (though that number's a few years old now) of the cases in which they actually request custody. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	miss_padfoot 2006-04-27 02:26 am UTC (link)
	Wow, really? I definitely didn't know that. Can you give me a source for that? Because it would be pretty damn useful in some debates. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

mmanurere, 2006-04-27 02:38 am UTC

mmanurere, 2006-04-27 05:48 am UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-04-27 05:51 am UTC

ayezur, 2006-04-27 10:26 am UTC

khym_chanur
2006-04-27 02:39 am UTC (link)

The counter-claim to that fact is that father's lawyers advise them to not make a request for primary custody unless they have a very, very good case for it (because the system is so biased against fathers), and that's why there's the 70% statistics claim. I really have no clue, since I haven't done any sort of research into child custody statistics, although I'm not sure how one would validate the "the 70% is because fathers only make a request for primary custody when the evidence is very good" thing without using annecdotal evidence.

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avari, 2006-04-27 07:25 am UTC

khym_chanur, 2006-04-27 07:30 am UTC

avari, 2006-04-27 07:54 am UTC

ladyvorkosigan, 2006-04-27 01:08 pm UTC

	vomitymcpuke 2006-04-27 02:11 am UTC (link)
	mylaptopisevil's cat icon is SO CUTE!!!! (Reply to this)

	beandelphiki 2006-04-27 05:17 am UTC (link)
	(you remember these communities - they're the ones with the super special "safe-space-if-you-happen-to-agree-with-us" rules.) Brilliance. Next you'll inform us that in communities that have been created for certain groups of people to vent to each other and discuss with each other without attack or question, people with opposing opinions CAN'T POST! ...Oh wait. (Reply to this)(Thread)

ladyvorkosigan, 2006-04-27 01:07 pm UTC

didodiva
2006-04-27 11:53 am UTC (link)

I honestly can NOT believe the hypocrisy of these women. I can't think of a single thing we aren't able to do that men can OTHER THAN BE DRAFTED.
But...we don't even HAVE a draft right now, mainly because there was a huge outcry after Vietnam. So why is this card being pulled out?

From another poster:
Almost all of the most dangerous jobs in this country, those with the highest rates of fatality, are filled by men.
If this is to be believed (and I take it with a huge grain of salt) it's because men *choose* more dangerous jobs than women. It's not like companies pull unsuspecting men off the street and say: "You! Pushing the baby on the swing! You will go fix telephone poles."

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lovelypoet, 2006-04-27 03:03 pm UTC

	chaimonkey 2006-04-28 01:51 pm UTC (link)
	Aw, I missed it. (Reply to this)

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