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sparklehorse ([info]sparklehorse) wrote in [info]otf_wank,
@ 2006-04-29 21:45:00


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Current mood:Holier-than-thou
Current music:Cooler-than-thine

OH NerOOOOOEZ
OK, so. This wank is on a fancomm, but it's about history (and a ruler!), so I'm sticking it here.

While on a Dogma-related fact-finding mission worth - literally - hundreds of pennies, I discovered that agnetha posted a picture of her friend's educational ruler to the ar_daily community, meaning to point out a passing resemblance between Trajan and Alan Rickman. Incidentally, the other emperors pictured on this ruler are Augustus and Nero.

Decivitatedei takes offense at Nero's presence on the ruler (while confusing an Alan Rickman fan community with either an academic journal or the ruler manufacturer):

Yeah I kinda see it. HOWEVER, as a student who is focusing on Roman History...NO NO.

Augustus and then NERO?! Why Nero? What about Tiberius who lived much longer and was his direct grandson? Who had so many achievements and such a controversial reign? Geeeez.


At this point, the ruler's actual owner, tonibunny, steps in to defend her ruler's honor:

It's a ruler aimed at kiddies, not students of Roman History, and has facts that would be interesting to kiddies on the back - ie this is Augustus who was the first emperor, this is Nero burned Rome, etc. Tiberius is fascinating, but perhaps not that interesting to an 8 year old. Even so, as a graduate with a classics degree, I think my ruler rocks :)

AWESOME. Dueling classicists!

The duel carries on for a few more posts, until decivitatedei parries herself to death:

Such emphasis is a matter of artistic composition - this is seen when Tacitus takes no direct part in most of the incidents termed major episodes. Cum repente turbare omnia fortuna coepit, saevire ipse aut saevientibus viris praebere - this is a technique employed in the Carthaginian-like degeneration of Tiberius Caesar which also did NOT begin with AD 27. Yet, because art was a major component of ancient history, it remained at the forefront along with the dramatic. Surely, by now you must have REALISED at least that Tacitus' views cannot be taken as a simple denigrator?

Besides, you single-handedly killed your argument by mentioning Tacitus. x.x First of all, and ESPECIALLY in Tacitus, the position of ars Tiberii is sometimes inhuman. If that isn't enough for distinguishing him amongst the Roman emperors, then I don't know what is. Nero, on the other hand is a much simpler tyrant, unworthy of Tacitus' complexity of analysis and merely the object of satire and vitriol.

An absurd figure involving the senators in his shameful acts. Little successes except for an initial foreign policy led by the overproud Corbulo. Degenerate. Stupid. Feeble.

Tiberius on the other hand is the symbol of Roma senescens. With him, the principate was truly established and the republic was lost. He was a mysterious, man, hard to decipher with many virtues and few vices, and the object of very much deliberation. If anything, he was the Roman twin of Severus Snape.

So yes, he deserves to be there much more than Nero. "Kiddies" would be better off learning about the emperors who truly mattered, not the ones where a spark of fire caused a fiasco.

He himself is the interesting thing. :)


Alrighty then.

Then tonibunny whacks decivitatedei over the head with the clue-by-four:

So, what event from Tiberius' reign would you put on the ruler...?

It's small, but fresh! Could get bigger!

In other news, Rickman fangirls are still scary as hell.



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[info]drakyndra
2006-04-30 02:24 am UTC (link)
I post here just so I can be the first to say "Alan Rickman is hot".

*ducks back to the lovely Doctor Who wank on f_w*

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[info]sparklehorse
2006-04-30 02:28 am UTC (link)
*gives you a cookie*

Hey, what is that about, anyway? I completely missed it when it happened.

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(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-04-30 02:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-04-30 02:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]andra_dodger, 2006-04-30 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-04-30 03:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-04-30 03:15 am UTC

[info]hellespont
2006-04-30 02:36 am UTC (link)
So, what event from Tiberius' reign would you put on the ruler...?

The swimming pool filled with all the naked young boys?

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[info]sparklehorse
2006-04-30 02:38 am UTC (link)
...Are you sure you're not thinking of Dr. Who?

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(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2006-04-30 02:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-04-30 02:51 am UTC

[info]andra_dodger
2006-04-30 02:44 am UTC (link)
The swimming pool filled with all the naked young boys?

I thought that was Caligula(sp?)?

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(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2006-04-30 02:45 am UTC
New Genre - [info]andra_dodger, 2006-04-30 02:48 am UTC
Re: New Genre - [info]hellespont, 2006-04-30 02:50 am UTC
The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - [info]goblin, 2006-04-30 05:10 am UTC
Re: The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - [info]platedlizard, 2006-04-30 06:54 am UTC
Re: The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - [info]andra_dodger, 2006-04-30 01:08 pm UTC
Re: The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 02:04 pm UTC
Re: The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - [info]goblin, 2006-04-30 04:37 pm UTC
That needed an icon. - [info]altoidsaddict, 2006-04-30 05:49 pm UTC
Re: That needed an icon. - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 05:53 pm UTC
Re: That needed an icon. - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 08:32 pm UTC
Re: The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 05:23 pm UTC
Re: The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - [info]puipui, 2006-04-30 07:45 pm UTC
Re: The 12 Caesors, trans. by Robert Graves - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 07:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]andra_dodger, 2006-04-30 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-04-30 02:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]drakyndra, 2006-04-30 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - sharonapple, 2006-04-30 04:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-04-30 05:54 am UTC
(no subject) - sharonapple, 2006-04-30 05:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-04-30 07:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]avari, 2006-04-30 01:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]singe, 2006-04-30 06:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]carnal_heart, 2006-04-30 11:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]andra_dodger, 2006-04-30 01:07 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]edana_ni_emer, 2006-04-30 05:03 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]theamazingrando, 2006-05-01 02:59 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]frequentmouse, 2006-04-30 04:44 pm UTC
(no subject) - sharonapple, 2006-05-01 12:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]theamazingrando, 2006-05-01 03:03 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]theamazingrando, 2006-05-01 01:21 pm UTC

[info]mael
2006-05-01 03:48 pm UTC (link)
I think Hadrian wins the "pretty boy in body of water" contest.

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sharonapple
2006-04-30 03:07 am UTC (link)
Gosh, deactivatedei really carries the torch for Tiberius.

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[info]sparklehorse
2006-04-30 03:18 am UTC (link)
Srsly. :/

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[info]melandry
2006-04-30 03:18 am UTC (link)
ZOMG classics wank! I'm strangely excited about that.

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-30 02:02 pm UTC (link)
It's like Christmas came early!

- onaga

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[info]nebbieq
2006-04-30 03:40 am UTC (link)
AWESOME. Dueling classicists!

Now I'm imagining "Dueling Banjos" being played out with lutes and panpipes.

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2006-04-30 10:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-30 04:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 05:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-04-30 05:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 05:54 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 05:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 08:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 10:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-05-01 12:23 am UTC

[info]beandelphiki
2006-04-30 03:47 am UTC (link)
So yes, he deserves to be there much more than Nero.

ON A RULER. FOR CHILDREN.

*head goes boom*

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[info]kijikun
2006-04-30 03:47 am UTC (link)
Poor Nero, he really is intersting. Really.

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(no subject) - [info]oar, 2006-04-30 04:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 05:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]female_fanboy, 2006-04-30 08:12 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 08:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ceadsearc, 2006-05-01 05:56 am UTC

[info]tunxeh
2006-04-30 03:57 am UTC (link)
A ruler decorated with images of rulers! How delightfully meta.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 05:37 am UTC
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[info]rosehiptea
2006-04-30 05:03 am UTC (link)
Surely, by now you must have REALISED at least that Tacitus' views cannot be taken as a simple denigrator?

Yeah, really! Some people.

I'm just laughing because this is not the usual sort of sentence one sees in a wank. Or the usual sort of grammar.

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[info]slavekitty
2006-04-30 05:22 am UTC (link)
Wow. That's...um...I'll say something witty after I go brush up on my Ancient Roman history. Dammit, wank's not supposed to make me feel like a bad student (even tho' I totally was).

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[info]darthmaligna
2006-04-30 05:54 am UTC (link)
Augustus and then NERO?!

Um, putting two people next to each other does not mean that they are totally equal in their shared capacity.

Free Image Hosting at www.ImageShack.us

Look, I just put Stalin next to FDR. Well, actually, I didn't do that. They did that themselves. But I am still not saying that Stalin = FDR. Because that is entirely up to the individual, and it largely depends on each person's own opinions on subjects like political mass-murder and moustache rides. But the point is, proximity does not equal comparison.

In other words, stand up, remove stick from rectum. All the Romans did was bastardize everything the Greeks did and shame the good Etruscan name anyhow. So why argue?

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(no subject) - [info]notjo, 2006-04-30 10:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 05:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]female_fanboy, 2006-04-30 08:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 08:19 pm UTC

[info]solle
2006-04-30 09:14 am UTC (link)
I'm so offended. They didn't even mention Heliogabalus.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 12:26 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]altoidsaddict, 2006-04-30 03:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 05:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-30 07:50 pm UTC
Heliogabalus? - [info]romana03, 2006-04-30 04:34 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]deadgayrobin, 2006-04-30 07:24 pm UTC
Not a GIP. I promise. - [info]terana, 2006-05-01 07:08 pm UTC

[info]avari
2006-04-30 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Augustus and then NERO?! Why Nero? What about Tiberius who lived much longer and was his direct grandson?

Tiberius was Livia's son by a first marriage to Tiberius Nero. He was Augustus' stepson, married Augustus' daughter Julia - and was later adopted by Augustus.

Nero, on the other hand, being the son of Agrippina the Younger, daughter of Agrippina the Elder, daughter of Julia, daughter of Augustus, was a direct descendant of Augustus by blood.

I can't believe that a girl majoring in finance has to tell that to a historian...

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(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 05:26 pm UTC

[info]an_igor
2006-04-30 03:26 pm UTC (link)
Dude, I am totally going to get offended that King Tut was on the cover of Na Geo this one time and not Ramses. Because King Tut didn't do shit, man.

Also I wonder if she realizes that no one cares what she majored in.

Wait, what am I saying.

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(no subject) - [info]hellespont, 2006-04-30 06:10 pm UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 08:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]an_igor, 2006-05-01 03:37 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-05-01 03:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]an_igor, 2006-05-01 04:13 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-04-30 08:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]an_igor, 2006-05-01 03:39 am UTC
(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-05-01 09:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]an_igor, 2006-05-04 03:49 am UTC

[info]altoidsaddict
2006-04-30 03:39 pm UTC (link)
This came along just as I was doing my Rome final.

I can't even procrastinate in my finals on Journalfen. I'm afraid to log on to Livejournal for fear that my flist might be discussing sortes vergilianae.

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(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-04-30 04:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nebbieq, 2006-04-30 04:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-04-30 05:00 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]altoidsaddict, 2006-04-30 05:35 pm UTC
*hijacks thread* - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-04-30 05:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - sharonapple, 2006-05-01 12:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]seiberwing, 2006-04-30 05:55 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]greenling, 2006-04-30 07:07 pm UTC

[info]smo
2006-04-30 05:21 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I think Trajan looks more like a young David Thewlis.

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(no subject) - [info]rosehiptea, 2006-04-30 07:45 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 07:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]puipui, 2006-04-30 07:52 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]smo, 2006-04-30 07:57 pm UTC

(Anonymous)
2006-04-30 07:11 pm UTC (link)
Won't somebody think of Tiberius? He thinks of you. Naked and nibbling him in a swimming pool.

--meleth on lj

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[info]mastervex
2006-05-01 09:06 am UTC (link)
They're...wanking over which Roman emperors deserve be printed on a ruler? I think that's the best wank topic I've seen in ages.

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-05-01 08:06 pm UTC

[info]semiotics
2006-05-01 10:09 pm UTC (link)
Tiberius ... was a mysterious, man, hard to decipher with many virtues and few vices, and the object of very much deliberation. If anything, he was the Roman twin of Severus Snape.

hahahaha.

You'd think people on an Alan Rickman LJ community would be, you know, pro-Snape.

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(no subject) - [info]sparklehorse, 2006-05-01 10:27 pm UTC

 
   
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