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wrongly_amused (wrongly_amused) wrote in otf_wank,
@ 2006-05-01 02:08:00

Over on

christianity, somebody posts an article by Doug Giles entitled "A Christian Can Be a Christian or a Liberal, But He Can’t Be Both."

And as if the article wasn't messy masturbatory act of stupidity itself...we're off!

Highlights include:

The reason why politics and religion cannot be separated.

OMGOSH ______________ ARE EVIL.

Jesus was a socialist!

Meanwhile,

merny25 and

swisscelt win the internets.

Don't get me wrong - there's some excellent discussion in there, but no post of that nature can be completely without it's wankiness, surprisingly restricted as this was.

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	utahraptor 2006-05-01 06:23 am UTC (link)
	And Satan is a Green. The Old Serpent just can't resist to this colour. (Reply to this)

ladysorka
2006-05-01 06:30 am UTC (link)

Political left + religious generally does well with advocating for social justice and charity for the poor. They fall short on a few more of the laws in Leviticus and so on.

...how is that a problem? I always thought there was something in there about Jesus and saying Christians didn't have to follow Leviticus, which is why they, you know, don't have to keep kosher.

Also, Jesus was a hippie.

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nebbieq, 2006-05-01 06:32 am UTC

gun, 2006-05-01 08:13 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 08:10 am UTC

slackerbitch, 2006-05-01 02:22 pm UTC

ladysorka, 2006-05-01 02:41 pm UTC

jadelennox, 2006-05-01 03:46 pm UTC

rosehiptea, 2006-05-01 03:53 pm UTC

puipui, 2006-05-01 08:57 pm UTC

vigilanterodent, 2006-05-01 03:06 pm UTC

	rachelmap 2006-05-01 06:49 am UTC (link)
	What do you mean "borderline wanky?" If the author had put it in 32-point font in a scrolling marquee and sparkles popping to the tune of "Wanky Days are Here Again," that wouldn't a a jot to the basic wankiness of it. (Reply to this)(Thread)

wrongly_amused, 2006-05-01 02:31 pm UTC

	expeliarbum 2006-05-01 07:00 am UTC (link)
	So I can't be a liberal and a Christian? Why no one told me this before? Also, fanha brings a whole new level to the concept of tl;dr. (Reply to this)(Thread)

smo, 2006-05-01 08:09 am UTC

expeliarbum, 2006-05-01 08:19 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 08:26 am UTC

visp, 2006-05-02 03:30 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-02 03:31 pm UTC

	darthmaligna 2006-05-01 07:09 am UTC (link)
	Is fanha made of stupid? I feel like if I had a "Hackneyed Discredited Opinion Bingo" card, I'd have not only won, but probably filled the damn thing up and started writing stuff in on the margins. (Reply to this)

	adora_spintriae 2006-05-01 07:28 am UTC (link)
	I am mostly disturbed over one of the members of that comm having an Obernewtyn icon. Random fantasy literature reference WTF? (Reply to this)(Thread)

aegflota, 2006-05-01 11:48 am UTC

adora_spintriae, 2006-05-01 11:54 am UTC

	hallidae 2006-05-01 07:58 am UTC (link)
	::checks clock that reads 3:58 AM:: Fixative, pastels, and sleep deprivation are not my friends. I'll to try my damndest to make it through the mess od whatthefuckery that is fanha after at least eight hours. As for the article itself... There are no words. (Reply to this)(Thread)

hallidae, 2006-05-01 07:58 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 08:04 am UTC

hallidae, 2006-05-01 08:06 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 08:08 am UTC

expeliarbum, 2006-05-01 08:21 am UTC

tianxiaode, 2006-05-01 10:08 am UTC

	smo 2006-05-01 08:06 am UTC (link)
	hdaemon wins the internet for this: If there is a God, I believe that _HE_ is the only being who can judge the actions of others. Can we please beat this into the heads of people who think God has deputized them to legislate others' morality? With a club? (Reply to this)(Thread)

hallidae, 2006-05-01 08:07 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 08:08 am UTC

musette, 2006-05-01 11:27 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 11:29 am UTC

musette, 2006-05-01 11:31 am UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 11:32 am UTC

mathilde, 2006-05-01 12:04 pm UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 12:31 pm UTC

mmanurere, 2006-05-01 07:48 pm UTC

mouseykins, 2006-05-01 06:52 pm UTC

smo, 2006-05-01 07:16 pm UTC

tofuknight, 2006-05-01 01:19 pm UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-02 02:00 am UTC

frequentmouse, 2006-05-01 03:14 pm UTC

	waterfront 2006-05-01 08:35 am UTC (link)
	Watching hdaemon and fanha converse is not unlike watching an elephant sit on a bug. (Reply to this)(Thread)

smo, 2006-05-01 08:36 am UTC

ruuger
2006-05-01 08:59 am UTC (link)

You know what always amuses me when something like this comes up? I grew up in a very conservative Christian area where we had to learn the catechism by heart at school and only sung hymns in music class, but nevertheless the major political parties in the area would be labelled left-leaning by American standards. ~~because all Europeans are commies~~

Of course, my very concervative Christian hometown is also famous for gay cowboys, so we are all ungodly degenerates in that sense too.

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female_fanboy, 2006-05-01 02:31 pm UTC

	doyle 2006-05-01 09:51 am UTC (link)
	From the comments on the original article: Gotta draw that line. Set boundaries. Sometimes - boundaries are set with tire irons, or Daisy Cutters. I obviously missed that bit of the Bible where Jesus spoke onto the masses and told them that lo, in his name they should smite their enemies with a tire iron. (Reply to this)(Thread)

shaggydogstail, 2006-05-01 12:23 pm UTC

wrongly_amused, 2006-05-01 02:35 pm UTC

brown_betty, 2006-05-01 03:41 pm UTC

female_fanboy, 2006-05-03 02:35 am UTC

selene_avis, 2006-05-01 05:45 pm UTC

influencethis, 2006-05-01 09:07 pm UTC

amxjm, 2006-05-02 05:12 am UTC

tianxiaode
2006-05-01 09:53 am UTC (link)

A vote for a liberal is a vote to see Christians continue to receive special ridicule and be flogged more than a piñata during a Cinco de Mayo festival.

From the original article, and slighlty OT... but ... OMG. Really?

I mean... seriously. Where the fuck is this information coming from? Aren't most liberals (in whatever sense) in the USA basically "live and let live"? I mean, there are anti-Christian groups along with the anti-children and anti-Semitic and anti-non-white... but do liberals in general actually subscribe to these beliefs?

~~of course, i might actually enjoy the flogging, but that's beside the point, innit? t :p~~

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qem_chibati, 2006-05-01 12:56 pm UTC

tofuknight, 2006-05-01 01:23 pm UTC

sparkofmyteens, 2006-05-01 02:38 pm UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-02 02:02 am UTC

frequentmouse, 2006-05-01 03:19 pm UTC

brown_betty, 2006-05-01 03:43 pm UTC

ladyvorkosigan, 2006-05-02 01:57 am UTC

(no subject) - redwarrior, 2006-05-02 06:20 pm UTC

	brick_me 2006-05-01 10:03 am UTC (link)
	In addition to liberalism's obvious and odious pro-holocaust-like abortion stance, its anti-biblical view of marriage, its scripture-slamming aggressive secularism, and its feckless view of our nation's defense, liberalism completely clashes with the Christian worldview. Anyone who uses "secularism" as an insult hurts my brain. (Reply to this)(Thread)

brown_betty, 2006-05-01 03:45 pm UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-01 04:02 pm UTC

oar, 2006-05-01 08:18 pm UTC

amxjm, 2006-05-01 09:16 pm UTC

avari, 2006-05-01 10:47 pm UTC

andra_dodger, 2006-05-02 02:32 am UTC

edana_ni_emer, 2006-05-02 05:34 pm UTC

	utahraptor 2006-05-01 10:46 am UTC (link)
	A vote for a liberal is a vote to see Christians continue to receive special ridicule and be flogged more than a piñata during a Cinco de Mayo festival. Oh, those hellspawn liberals :shakefist: (Reply to this)(Thread)

smo, 2006-05-01 11:28 am UTC

mathilde, 2006-05-01 12:01 pm UTC

utahraptor, 2006-05-01 03:30 pm UTC

shaggydogstail, 2006-05-01 12:24 pm UTC

suziecroft, 2006-05-01 01:21 pm UTC

tofuknight, 2006-05-01 01:24 pm UTC

wrongly_amused, 2006-05-01 02:37 pm UTC

brown_betty, 2006-05-01 03:47 pm UTC

greenling, 2006-05-01 11:19 pm UTC

brown_betty, 2006-05-01 11:31 pm UTC

platedlizard, 2006-05-02 01:38 am UTC

female_fanboy, 2006-05-03 02:19 am UTC

grand_sealink, 2006-05-03 06:19 pm UTC

rotten_fish, 2006-05-01 03:40 pm UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-01 04:03 pm UTC

amxjm, 2006-05-01 06:11 pm UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-01 07:40 pm UTC

amxjm, 2006-05-01 07:49 pm UTC

funwithrage, 2006-05-02 12:05 am UTC

arionhunter, 2006-05-01 08:32 pm UTC

plazmah, 2006-05-02 02:26 am UTC

musette
2006-05-01 11:24 am UTC (link)

Decreasing taxes for wealthy investing businessmen increases the amount of money they are willing to invest back into the economy, resulting in an overall increase in the economy's health...

Agggh Hulk!Smash! Trickle down economics didn't really work for HAMILTON, it didn't work for Reagan and, guess what, it STILL doesn't work folks. How many times do we have to prove this before people stop using this cracked out economic logic as a reason to cut taxes to the people who need the money the least.

Republicans have significantly greater respect for private rights, as the only issue they are willing to compromise on this is on matters of national security.

Right, because clearly the Republicans are supporting my private, individual right to get an abortion if I see fit and marry my girlfriend.

fanha is so fucking wanky it makes me want to spork myself in the eye.

Also, isn't there some law about numbered lists in these kinds of arguments being exponentially more wanky? If not, there should be.

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tofuknight, 2006-05-01 01:25 pm UTC

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	mathilde 2006-05-01 12:00 pm UTC (link)
	I love watching people confuse ethics, morality and dogma and get entangled in the resulting morass. (Reply to this)

	tenma 2006-05-01 12:03 pm UTC (link)
	A lot Christians aren't very Christian anymore. They need a new name for their religion - "We only listen to the parts of the bible we like" is probably too long of a name though. (Reply to this)(Thread)

belafarinrod, 2006-05-01 01:13 pm UTC

andra_dodger, 2006-05-02 02:55 am UTC

tofuknight, 2006-05-01 01:26 pm UTC

slackerbitch, 2006-05-01 02:16 pm UTC

frequentmouse, 2006-05-01 03:23 pm UTC

brown_betty, 2006-05-01 03:49 pm UTC

rotten_fish, 2006-05-01 04:09 pm UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-01 07:35 pm UTC

platedlizard, 2006-05-02 01:50 am UTC

(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-05-02 05:14 pm UTC

	amyheartssiroc 2006-05-01 12:13 pm UTC (link)
	What about Christians who think both major parties have their heads up their asses? (Reply to this)(Thread)

anatalya, 2006-05-01 02:18 pm UTC

honorh, 2006-05-01 03:33 pm UTC

erototoxin, 2006-05-01 06:52 pm UTC

	slackerbitch 2006-05-01 02:19 pm UTC (link)
	I really, really feel like writing a rebuttal article to Doug Fucking Giles, entitled something like, "You Can Be A Narrow-Minded Bigoted Self-Righteous Homophobic Misogynist Xenophobic Selectively-Religious Judgmental Holier-Than-Thou Prick, Or You Can Be A Christian, But Not Both." (Reply to this)(Thread)

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-01 04:04 pm UTC

beccastareyes, 2006-05-01 05:13 pm UTC

amxjm, 2006-05-01 06:13 pm UTC

antigone, 2006-05-01 06:26 pm UTC

oar, 2006-05-01 08:23 pm UTC

	avari 2006-05-01 02:26 pm UTC (link)
	That fanha is hilarious! From his userinfo: I am currently dating my dream girl - a beautiful woman of God - named Bunny So, off I go to Bunny's userinfo, and what do I read? HELLO! My name is Bunny and I'm a fanatic. God, I love Livejournal. (Reply to this)(Thread)

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(no subject) - (Anonymous), 2006-05-01 08:46 pm UTC

miss_padfoot, 2006-05-02 03:42 pm UTC

	dracothelizard 2006-05-01 02:39 pm UTC (link)
	"A Christian Can Be a Christian or a Liberal, But He Can’t Be Both." What about women? We're supposed to be good at multi-tasking! (Reply to this)(Thread)

brown_betty, 2006-05-01 03:51 pm UTC

oar, 2006-05-01 08:25 pm UTC

platedlizard, 2006-05-02 01:58 am UTC

semiotics, 2006-05-02 04:19 am UTC

(no subject) - iwanttobeasleep, 2006-05-02 04:23 am UTC

semiotics, 2006-05-02 04:29 am UTC

platedlizard, 2006-05-03 03:32 am UTC

misswindy
2006-05-01 03:28 pm UTC (link)

Oh, Doug Giles. I've met and corresponded with Doug Giles several times. He is of the same denomination as me and we live, hmm, maybe 8 minutes away from each other, so, yeah, run into him in church circles and occasionally correspond on TownHall with him. For some reason, his Internet Persona is all blustery wanky and obnoxious, but IRL he is so warm and funny, it's really tragic it doesn't translate at all.

Anyhow, past that, one of the things about which I have consistently been critical about Doug's writing is that he lives in a very Cuban part of Miami, as do I, and IIRC his wife is a dark-complexioned Cuban woman, and he writes as a white guy whose multiracial sensibilities have been informed, and made overconfident, by having been a citizen of that rare thing - a minority community in which the vast majority of citizens are politically conservative and often religious. Cuban-Americans are, after all, the only Hispanic voting block that is overwhelmingly Republican. I think once you know this, you can understand why Doug Giles THINKS he's got a firm grasp of the big picture, but really only has grabbed the issue by the tiny, tiny corner, because his writing seems completely oblivious to the fact that in most churched minority communities, the majority of people agree on matters of social policy with the GOP but still feel disenfranchised enough to not vote GOP. That's not to say that the majority of Christian liberals are racial/ethnic minorities, but the other way around - if you are a racial or ethnic minority and faith is important to you, you are statistically likely to be a Democrat. Maybe if the apparent majority of white Republican writers would stop acting like Christian Democrats of color did not exist, more minority Christians would feel more welcome in the party that more closely reflects its values and ideals. *shrug* Not my party, not my problem, but that's how it is.

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	selene_avis 2006-05-01 05:36 pm UTC (link)
	Wow. That article just reminded me why I'm a registered Democrate. (Reply to this)

	chaimonkey 2006-05-01 06:55 pm UTC (link)
	cries (Reply to this)

itsirtou
2006-05-01 09:45 pm UTC (link)

fanha said:

"They are forcing us to give marriage benefits to them with our taxpayer money. They are keeping us from morally protesting homosexuality by passing laws considering homosexuality to be a "protected status" such as race and gender. They are using public tax money to fund materials in schools both promoting homosexuality as morally acceptable and teaching children to both not see homosexuality as shameful and even to consider it an acceptable option for themselves. There are values that are none of the state's business to teach; they are violating the rights of parents to teach morality to their children. These are the things I object to, not the rights of homosexuals to have their own belief system."

KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL

*shoots face off*

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