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	chaos_priestess 2003-12-12 03:12 am UTC (link)
	You know, my new layout has never been so appropriate. The link to leave a comment reads "Lost the dignity?" shakes head Ah yes... (Reply to this)(Thread)

	smo 2003-12-12 01:39 pm UTC (link)
	fangirls your Hakkai icon As you were. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	chaos_priestess 2003-12-12 03:46 pm UTC (link)
	fangirls your Chiyo-chan icon She so cuuuuuute! Yes, now that we've gotten that out of our systems... (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	smo 2003-12-12 08:49 pm UTC (link)
	Hee. Fangirling: for the squealing 12-year-old in all of us. Oh, que j'aimerais bien mitraller tous les putains de "poetes" pretentieux anglophones qui tentent de paraitre plus intello en se servant d'un petit peu de RIEN ecrit dans un francais magane et apauvrit. Rock the phuck on! (Reply to this)(Parent)

cleolinda
2003-12-12 05:26 am UTC (link)

The one that really makes my head hurt is a pretty civilized discussion of this girl's poetry, because she just refuses to accept their constructive criticism as anything other than "You don't know/like my style of writing." About the time she asked for someone who "understood her style" to critique, I headdesked out of sheer frustration because I see people like her all the time in workshops.

Also, "I want to give people a chance for me to gain respect for them" is one for the ages.

I've submitted my poetry to them--not to "test" them, but because I'm really curious to see if I'm good ("good") enough. Ban-happy or not, they've been handling things pretty well, I think.

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	dwarfjen 2003-12-12 08:14 am UTC (link)
	Oh, I think it's a wonderful community, don't get me wrong. It's also an incredibly, beautifully, wanky one. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	cleolinda 2003-12-12 08:16 am UTC (link)
	It's also an incredibly, beautifully, wanky one. Hell yeah. I'm having a lot of fun going back and reading through the comments. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	cleolinda 2003-12-12 07:03 pm UTC (link)
	Great. Now I'm racist. Poetry self-wank ahoy! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	I'm making a prediction! unnamed 2003-12-12 08:11 pm UTC (link)
	Behold, [Error: Irreparable invalid markup ('<a [...] <i>') in entry. Owner must fix manually. Raw contents below.] Behold, <a href="http://www.livejournal.com/community/poetryslamming/207227.html>me</a>. I'll bet you anything they think the repeated use of "chocolate" in <i>deconstruct</i> is a racial comment. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: I'm making a prediction! unnamed 2003-12-12 08:13 pm UTC (link)
	Journalfen is editing my comments! What I meant to say was: Behold, me. I'll bet you anything they think the repeated use of "chocolate" in deconstruct is a racial comment. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: I'm making a prediction! unnamed 2003-12-12 10:47 pm UTC (link)
	And now I apparently have a sockpuppet named naienko. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: I'm making a prediction! (Anonymous) 2003-12-22 09:24 pm UTC (link)
	waaaaaay the fuck many weeks later That's ME! ^^ I'm your sockpuppet. I feel honoured. What are they ON? (Reply to this)(Parent)

Re: I'm making a prediction!

cleolinda
2003-12-12 11:14 pm UTC (link)

Heh. I'll be keeping an eye on yours--should be interesting. I think the thing that struck me on my impromptu critique was that the same guy said, "'Week three' [of soap rations, in the poem] was fifty years ago." Meaning I guess that he thinks I have an antiquated view of what Cuba's like. Given that I spent a week there in 2001, I figure I'm fairly up-to-date... Nonetheless, they've made good suggestions on another poem, and if the poem really does come off as racist on an impartial reading, I need to know.

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Re: I'm making a prediction!

unnamed
2003-12-13 08:09 pm UTC (link)

I'm getting some nice feedback as to the first two, which is nice, since they're actually quite raw and unedited. I'm also getting incredibly snooty soundbites like "Plain", "Boring", and, of course, "Read more poetry."

I'm amazed that no one has figured out the methodology behind deconstruct, though. It's completely random. Spent a day writing down everything interesting that I happened to overhear, and then arranged it into total nonsense. The formatting, which one person hates, was a last minute thing, since

pomopoets wouldn't accept it without formatting.

In other words, ducks go quack.

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	Re: I'm making a prediction! cleolinda 2003-12-13 06:25 pm UTC (link)
	And now I'm a plagiarist. Facepalms I would say that I'm starting to think that none of this is worth it, but it's not like the publishing industry itself is going to be cupcakes and kittycats, either. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Bah, publishing. unnamed 2003-12-13 08:20 pm UTC (link)
	The one true advantage to getting published, so far as I think, is the money it can bring in. Of course, I'm imminently unpublishable, so sour grapes and all that. I'd hope that publishers would be more objective than this, but I imagine not. Have to publish what sells, after all. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

Re: Bah, publishing.

cleolinda
2003-12-13 08:38 pm UTC (link)

I wouldn't even say that objectivity is the problem in my case--I think the "racism" thing came up due to a cursory read of the poem, and given how many manuscripts publishers get, you can't expect much better even from a "professional." I mean, I worked on a college magazine--there were poems I didn't get at all but another editor championed and got me to look at differently. I can't imagine what it must be like at a big lit journal or a publishing house.

As for poetry--no one makes any money off that anyways. You may as well just try to write your best and not worry about it. :)

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	loki 2003-12-13 04:09 pm UTC (link)
	That girl is doing BAD things to the < center > tags. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	quinctia 2003-12-12 09:24 am UTC (link)
	The reason the community amuses me is that they named it poetry slamming and continuously reject slam-style poetry, and don't seem to understand that the name would attract slam poets. Well that, and they don't seem to be interested in much that isn't free verse about subjects no one has written about before, like rats in the subway system. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-12-12 08:16 pm UTC (link)
	Don't forget, you can't have a poem with a line break in the middle of a phrase; that's just not acceptable. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: quinctia 2003-12-12 10:17 pm UTC (link)
	And you can't write poems about anything a non-poet would ever want to read about! (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-12-12 10:55 pm UTC (link)
	Alas, there goes my brilliant ode to my toenail clippings. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	yadda 2003-12-12 10:59 pm UTC (link)
	Er, wouldn't that be enjambement? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-12-12 11:01 pm UTC (link)
	That it would be, yes. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	yadda 2003-12-12 11:11 pm UTC (link)
	....I'm speechless (and very proud that I remembered the term enjambement). (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	unnamed 2003-12-12 11:13 pm UTC (link)
	Be proud! Especially considering I forgot and had to look it up. Some poet I am. (Reply to this)(Parent)

(Anonymous)
2003-12-30 08:54 am UTC (link)

Oh my friggin' god. I was actually considering submitting here- I normally hate ratings communities like the devil, but I figured it was just an exceptionally snarky concrit community- until I saw the 'reject' picture. "SORRY : you're not a poet."

Okay. All you writers, together now: WTF.

Ah, Livejournal.com... pushing my tolerance for humanity a little lower, every damn day.

-Hecuba

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La tête de Jeudi de Poésie est sanglante mais non accrochée bas!
(Anonymous)
2005-07-20 08:49 pm UTC (link)

Doggone it!--

pardon my French-- NO poetry
this Thursday, sorry, we'd planned a 3rd St.
coffehouse event to consider &/or gawk at Philip Wheeler,
(www.thewgalchannel.com/ entertainment/4460843/detail.html)
but coffee house lady sez today she "don't want no poetry reading
there." So Poetry Thursdays (21 July) is cancelled.

However... You can still peruse Mr. Wheeler
who will be being at Kunkel Plaza (til 8pm) &thereafter
stroll back to Scott's and wrap your troubles in dreams,
and dream your troubles away & stuff like that.

My vow to you & yours:

I/we shall return. Be back next week
at the museum, same time, same station,
and it's gonna be a good one, yeah!
with Baltimore's poetry fave-- David Beaudoin.
http://www.almostuptown.com/index.html

Invictus

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever God may be,
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance,
I have not cried nor winced aloud,
Under the bludgeoning of chance,
My head is bloody but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the captain of my fate,
I am the master of my soul.

--William Earnest Henley, 1875

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La tête de Jeudi de Poésie est sanglante mais non accrochée bas!
(Anonymous)
2005-07-20 08:51 pm UTC (link)

Doggone it!--

pardon my French-- NO poetry
this Thursday, sorry, we'd planned a 3rd St.
coffehouse event to consider &/or gawk at Philip Wheeler,
(www.thewgalchannel.com/ entertainment/4460843/detail.html)
but coffee house lady sez today she "don't want no poetry reading
here." So Poetry Thursdays (21 July road trip) is cancelled.
Sort of abruptly.

However... You can still peruse Mr. Wheeler
who will be being at Kunkel Plaza (til 8pm) &thereafter
stroll back to Scott's and wrap your troubles in dreams,
and dream your troubles away & stuff like that.

My vow to you & yours:

I/we shall return. Be back next week
at the museum, same time, same station,
and it's gonna be a good one, yeah!
with Baltimore's poetry fave-- David Beaudoin.
http://www.almostuptown.com/index.html

Invictus

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever God may be,
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance,
I have not cried nor winced aloud,
Under the bludgeoning of chance,
My head is bloody but unbowed.

Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.

It matters not how straight the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the captain of my fate,
I am the master of my soul.

--William Earnest Henley, 1875

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